Tyrik Rollison is leaving

[The Prowler]

I nail many, many so-called shots in the dark.  Far too many for it to be "luck." 

My instincts are good. 

Newton I am not reading right now.  My initial reaction is that he will struggle far more than many here anticipate and will be closer to Jordan Jefferson than anybody would like next year.  But I'm waiting to make that determination.

your instincts....LMAO.  Your "instincts" were based off of, well, nothing.  You stated that you'd never seen him in person, nor watched any highlights of him, but you felt that he would never be a good QB.  Also, your "instincts", are still up in the air.  Just because he's not going to be Auburn's QB, doesn't mean that he isn't good.  Just because he wanted to be closer to home, doesn't mean that he isn't good.

[RWS]

On another note....what do you think about losing him?  Big deal?  Or no big deal?  

You guys are loaded at QB.


Right, Chopper?

[jadennis]

your instincts....LMAO.  Your "instincts" were based off of, well, nothing.  You stated that you'd never seen him in person, nor watched any highlights of him, but you felt that he would never be a good QB.  Also, your "instincts", are still up in the air.  Just because he's not going to be Auburn's QB, doesn't mean that he isn't good.  Just because he wanted to be closer to home, doesn't mean that he isn't good.

Someone will have to look it up, but I think he said Rollison would never be Auburn's QB, or would never be great at Auburn, something along those lines. 

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

You guys are loaded at QB.


Right, Chopper?

I didn't say we were "loaded", Sparky.  Nice try.

I made my points.  You can find them if you need to.

[jmar]

I didn't say we were "loaded", Sparky.  Nice try.

I made my points.  You can find them if you need to.

Auburn might be overloaded in numbers but it is certainly not lacking in talent.

[AUChizad]

My instincts tell me your claim of 99% has a 99% chance of being an exaggeration. 

He's all hat, no cattle.

My initial reaction is that he will struggle far more than many here anticipate and will be closer to Jordan Jefferson than anybody would like next year.  But I'm waiting to make that determination.

This is further evidence that you are nothing more than a negative blind squirrel.

If you bitch about everything, surely something somewhere will go bad and you can make that your flagship cause.

You can try to rewrite history all you want, but everyone here knows that you argued until you were blue in the face that Chizik and his staff would be an epic failure in the recruiting realm. He couldn't possibly compete with Troy's headcoach, let alone Saban. He couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time. Enough evidence has been gathered to say that you were flat wrong on recruiting, and it's more reasonable than not that you were wrong in every other capacity.

But back to the QB situation. You bitched about how Tyrik would never work out so that you could point to how badly the staff was fucking up by not signing a QB. Well, apparently they have pretty good "instincts" themselves, and had the intuition to sign the best fucking one available. But that's still not good enough for you.

Now Cam's going to be a flop. Unless he isn't. Either way your "instincts" were right on him.

[RWS]

You can try to rewrite history all you want, but everyone here knows that you argued until you were blue in the face that Chizik and his staff would be an epic failure in the recruiting realm. He couldn't possibly compete with Troy's headcoach, let alone Saban. He couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time. Enough evidence has been gathered to say that you were flat wrong on recruiting, and it's more reasonable than not that you were wrong in every other capacity.

In all fairness, we have seen around 3 Chizik recruits out of two signing classes play any meaningful PT. It's a little premature to call the recruiting a success or fail. On paper, its certainly a success; moreso the 2010 class than the 2009. One thing to consider though: You guys jumped all in CTT's ass for guys not making grades, guys just not panning out, transfers, etc. There were 28 signees in the 2009 class. 11 of them are not on the roster, for whatever reason. Thats a pretty big number for just 1 year removed from that class.

[jmar]

ja dennis will probably have some stats but I think less than 70% ever contribute significantly from any one class and it is likely somewhere in the 60% range. Those numbers from Chizik's first class should not surprise many in a transition year.

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

One thing to consider though: You guys jumped all in CTT's ass for guys not making grades, guys just not panning out, transfers, etc. There were 28 signees in the 2009 class. 11 of them are not on the roster, for whatever reason. Thats a pretty big number for just 1 year removed from that class.

One thing I think you're forgetting, is that whle CTT was getting jumped for recruiting, it was more for leaving Auburn in a 15+ player deficit as it related to the numbers this past year.  This isn't jumping on the man, or his accomplishments.  If Shug Jordan, or Pat Dye left the team in that short on players due to ANY reason (other than tragedy) people would be rattled and upset with the situation. 

As you pointed out, it's premature anyway to start tagging success, or failure as it relates to on field performances.  We'll have to see what happens there.

[The Prowler]

In all fairness, we have seen around 3 Chizik recruits out of two signing classes play any meaningful PT.

Correction.....we've seen 6 players have meaningful PT, out of Coach Chizik's first class (Bates, Ontario, Eltoro, Demond, Fairley & Lutzenkirchen).

[Kaos]

He's all hat, no cattle.
This is further evidence that you are nothing more than a negative blind squirrel.

If you bitch about everything, surely something somewhere will go bad and you can make that your flagship cause.

You can try to rewrite history all you want, but everyone here knows that you argued until you were blue in the face that Chizik and his staff would be an epic failure in the recruiting realm. He couldn't possibly compete with Troy's headcoach, let alone Saban. He couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time. Enough evidence has been gathered to say that you were flat wrong on recruiting, and it's more reasonable than not that you were wrong in every other capacity.

But back to the QB situation. You bitched about how Tyrik would never work out so that you could point to how badly the staff was fucking up by not signing a QB. Well, apparently they have pretty good "instincts" themselves, and had the intuition to sign the best fucking one available. But that's still not good enough for you.

Now Cam's going to be a flop. Unless he isn't. Either way your "instincts" were right on him.

 

Get an interpreter, Sancho.  You no speeka da eenglesh.

[Kaos]

I've been reading your posts for maybe 14 months or so now.  Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 2,500 of them on the two sites I've known you.  I agree with a lot of your positions, or at least the logic to them, and disagreed with some too.

My instincts tell me your claim of 99% has a 99% chance of being an exaggeration. 

On another note....what do you think about losing him?  Big deal?  Or no big deal?  

I'm 99% right 99% of the time.  If people listen and pay attention they learn that what I envision most often comes true. 

For Rollison, I only said that he'd never be the QB people were making him out to be when he was being propped as the second coming of Dameyune Jason Jeff Craig Campbell Burger. Never thought he'd pan out, never thought he'd make it.  Never knew why, but it really boiled down to the way he got there more than anything I guess.  I tried to envision him on the field and just couldn't do it. 

A loss?  No.  Not at all. He was never going to be Auburn's quarterback.  Not in the immediate future anyway.

Newton? I don't really know. He's got a better chance than Rollison ever did. My instincts are that he'll be a little more raw and unpolished than so many people here are expecting. It's just a matter of how patient people will be if he does struggle, especially early.

The SEC is a tough league and we've seen a number of kids get their reputations chewed up and spit out.  I think he's going to have a hard time adjusting to SEC defenses.  He won't have the time (or the wide open receivers) he did in juco. He won't be able to stand back there and stare down a guy until he comes open like I saw him do on film.  He's not going to be able to pull it down and lumber for big yards like he did there, either. Maybe against Arky State and UTC, but there's a big gap between those two. 

After Arky State he's got MSU, Clemson, SC, La. Monroe, Kentucky, Arkansas, LSU and Ole Miss right in a row.

I'd like to think he's going to be all that, but we've already done this dance a bunch of times. We've heard the "he's unselfish, he's working hard, he's studying film, he's the first in and the last out over and over."  Just wait until Kodi Burns takes over he's got all the tools; just wait until Chris Todd comes in, he already knows Franklin's offense and it's going to be off the hook; just wait until you see Rollison throw, he's got a cannon and the wheels to go with it; just wait until Newton...

So I'm waiting.  I'm not going to prop anybody up as the next anything until and unless I've got a letigimate and realistic reason to do so.  Don't have that here. Not yet.

Despite Sancho's hyperbolic assclown interpretation (the same redundant ill-informed spin he puts on everything), that's not negative in any way, shape or form.  It's just cautionary.

Maybe I'm from Missouri.  Show me before you talk about it.  I'm all cattle, no hat.

[War Eagle!!!]

I wonder if TR stays around and becomes an all-american if Kaos will still claim he is right 99% of the time...

http://auburnbeat.blogspot.com/2010/03/taylor-qb-rollison-has-not-reached.html

Trooper Taylor said Tuesday during an interview with The Star that redshirt freshman QB Tyrik Rollison has not made a final decision on whether or not to transfer to Sam Houston State, as has been widely reported.

Rollison's father, Michael Kelly, told a few media outlets last week that Rollison would transfer to Sam Houston State, but declined comment when reached by The Star. Auburn has not released an official statement about Rollison.

Though Taylor said Rollison has not yet made up his mind, he did say that Rollison's status for spring football remains uncertain. It will continue to be unclear until Rollison reaches a decision.

Taylor also said he understands players can get homesick and have to do what's best for themselves. He said Auburn will support Rollison either way.

[jadennis]

In all fairness, we have seen around 3 Chizik recruits out of two signing classes play any meaningful PT. It's a little premature to call the recruiting a success or fail. On paper, its certainly a success; moreso the 2010 class than the 2009. One thing to consider though: You guys jumped all in CTT's ass for guys not making grades, guys just not panning out, transfers, etc. There were 28 signees in the 2009 class. 11 of them are not on the roster, for whatever reason. Thats a pretty big number for just 1 year removed from that class.

To me, it doesn't make sense to evaluate recruiting success after the fact.  I know you can only tell if kids lived up to their billing after the fact.  You can only look back and see how things panned out....after the fact.  But to me, that's different than evaluating your recruiting success.   "After the fact" is where you learn if you were lucky and if you could coach, but not if you could recruit.

Take Michael Dyer, Corey Lemonier, and Trovon Reed.  These three guys were heavily recruited by most other top programs, all to varying degrees.  Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, Florida State, Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Oregon, Alabama, USC, Miami, etc...all had these guys evaluated about the same. 

If in 2013 we realize any one or two of these guys were busts, that doesn't mean Auburn did a poor job of recruiting in 2010.  It means we were unlucky or couldn't coach.  Had those three guys gone to Florida, Georgia, and LSU, it wouldn't have meant Meyer, Richt, or Miles had done a poor job of recruiting either.  It would have meant they were unlucky too.  Chizik wouldn't have been alone in being wrong about Dyer.  Everyone would have been wrong.

The success of recruiting, to me, is defined when you either win or lose the battles for those guys that are generally considered to be great talents by nearly all the top programs.  Sure, things get more interesting when you're talking about 2-star and 3-star guys that you feel are "diamonds in the rough".  But when we're talking about the guys that are top 10 and top 15 at their position, the success of recruiting comes when they choose you over other top programs.  Not 3-4 years later when you get lucky or unlucky and the guy is either a drop out or an NFL lottery pick. 

So to me, we won't have to wait a few years to see if this staff was successful at recruiting in 2010.  That has been decided.  They were successful.  It's over.  They won a lot of battles against other top programs for the signatures of a lot of sought after kids.

From this point on we will see two things.  1.  We'll see if they're lucky.  And 2. we'll see if they can coach them.  That's what we'll know in 2013 about this 2010 class.  Not if Auburn was successful at recruiting.  We can determine that right now.

[jadennis]

I wonder if TR stays around and becomes an all-american if Kaos will still claim he is right 99% of the time...

http://auburnbeat.blogspot.com/2010/03/taylor-qb-rollison-has-not-reached.html

99% does leave some wiggle room.  If you discuss 1,876 things, 1% would allow for nearly 19 occasions in which you could be mistaken.  He hasn't given himself much room, but there is a little.

He could always just try the "....and that's the way it is....unless it's not, either way, that's what I thought".

 

[boartitz]

Who was the last JUCO QB to have a good first season in the SEC? I can't remember.

[Jumbo]

Who was the last JUCO QB to have a good first season in the SEC? I can't remember.

Brent Schaeffer everyone knows that!

[RWS]

That's what we'll know in 2013 about this 2010 class.  Not if Auburn was successful at recruiting.  We can determine that right now.

You make alot of good points on this board, but I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Success on paper is different than success on the field. What you propose would be equal to me walking into a casino with $50 and proclaiming success before I put the first $1 bill into a machine. I mean, I haven't won anything. I didn't lose anything. But I didn't do anything either.

[Buzz Killington]

Brent Schaeffer everyone knows that!

Yaw Yaw Yaw

[The Prowler]

You make alot of good points on this board, but I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Success on paper is different than success on the field. What you propose would be equal to me walking into a casino with $50 and proclaiming success before I put the first $1 bill into a machine. I mean, I haven't won anything. I didn't lose anything. But I didn't do anything either.

No...it would be like having a winning lottery ticket, it's just the winning ticket until you receive your money.  Lemme put it another way, a way that you'll probably understand, it's like having the Limited Edition Special Red Jacket Han Solo in Mint 10 condition still in mint package, worth a lot of $$$.  You won't see the $$$ until it's sold to it's highest bidder.  (BTW, I have no clue about Han Solo figures, but I'm guessing rws has a room similar to the 40 Year Old Virgin).  Dennis' point is that recruiting is like having a winning ticket or a high dollar toy....we'll see later if the prospects were as good as advertised.  But, Auburn having an extremely successful recruiting class has already been determined, it was determined this past Feb.