More News On The Old People's War On Fun In Alabama...

[wesfau2]

No, it's not.  It just doesn't fit your way of thinking.  

But let's go down your list.

Guns do not have addictive properties.  Nobody's ever picked up a gun and become physically addicted.

Cars: See guns

Fast Food:  The next time somebody gets divorced because Dad was hiding McNuggets in his kid's underwear drawer so his wife wouldn't see him eating them; the next time somebody has one too many BK Broilers and punches out his wife; the next time a guy is so hopped up on What-a-Burgers that he crashes his car and kills a bunch of people... then we can talk about fast food.  

Lawn darts are no longer legal to have because they posed a threat to safety.  

Sudafed is now regulated. Can't buy it off the shelf because dumbasses used it to make meth.

Chainsaws: See guns

Casinos: Gambling can be (allegedly) a physical addiction. I don't necessarily buy that, but this is the only thing on your list which has even a scintilla of merit.  I guess that's why there's such a huge debate over having them in this state.  

You're an intelligent person.  Surely you can see the basic difference between something that can hurt you (a rock, a baseball bat, a knitting needle) when used improperly and something that has the potential to hurt you and others because it has the (well documented) ability to gain control of your faculties, cause you to become addicted and also cause you to -- even temporarily -- lose the ability to make sound, rational judgments.  

Failure to acknowledge that is what' can only be considered  "fucking stupid reasoning"  

Classic Kaos strategy.

[AUChizad]

No, it's not.  It just doesn't fit your way of thinking.

Was this meant to be a joke? When followed by everything else in your post?

You're an intelligent person.  Surely you can see the basic difference between something that can hurt you (a rock, a baseball bat, a knitting needle) when used improperly and something that has the potential to hurt you and others because it has the (well documented) ability to gain control of your faculties, cause you to become addicted and also cause you to -- even temporarily -- lose the ability to make sound, rational judgments.  

Failure to acknowledge that is what' can only be considered  "fucking stupid reasoning"  

I am willing to bet my life savings that more people have died because of guns than because of alcohol.

Guns are literally killing machines that serve no purpose than to mortally wound living things.

Now before you call me a hippie, I'm literally a card-carrying member of the NRA.

The point stands. Because something can potentially be used irresponsibly, against the advisory of the manufacturer, does not mean they should be taken away from responsible individuals.

[AWK]

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-3134665/Study-unmasks-U-S-addiction.html

[GH2001]

Was this meant to be a joke? When followed by everything else in your post?
I am willing to bet my life savings that more people have died because of guns than because of alcohol.

Guns are literally killing machines that serve no purpose than to mortally wound living things.

Now before you call me a hippie, I'm literally a card-carrying member of the NRA.

The point stands. Because something can potentially be used irresponsibly, against the advisory of the manufacturer, does not mean they should be taken away from responsible individuals.

I don't think alcohol IS being taken away from you is it? You have it.

What you guys are bitching about are small details. Size of a bottle, wanting 9% instead of 7%, wanting it made in front of you instead of Boston, Milwaukee or Dublin, Ireland. I don't necessarily disagree with you as I have very libertarian views, but I think you are picking nits in the grand scheme of the cluster phuk we have for a country right now.

Seriously Chad - Athens, Austin. You can't change the way this state thinks overnight or sometimes even at all on some things. Would it not be easier to just go to where it is already like your personal taste? I'm not trying to poke fun saying you are a Michael Stipe wannabe by mentioning Athens or anything. Its just seems like it would be easier to go some place where your personal beliefs are already adhered to rather than trying to get everyone to change to YOU where you are at. The settlers coming to America from England comes to mind.

[AUChizad]

I don't alcohol think IS being taken away from you is it? You have it.

What you guys are bitching about are small details. Size of a bottle, wanting 9% instead of 7%, wanting it made in front of you instead of Boston, Milwaukee or Dublin, Ireland. I don't necessarily disagree with you as I have very libertarian views, but I think you are picking nits in the grand scheme of the cluster phuk we have for a country right now.

Seriously Chad - Athens, Austin. You can't change the way this state thinks overnight or sometimes even at all on some things. Would it not be easier to just go to where it is already like your personal taste? I'm not trying to poke fun saying you are a Michael Stipe wannabe by mentioning Athens or anything. Its just seems like it would be easier to go some place where your personal beliefs are already adhered to rather than trying to get everyone to change to YOU where you are at. The settlers coming to America from England comes to mind.

It's sad to me that this state is ok with being so bass ackwards and letting their economy tank at the expensive of completely irrational nanny-state laws.

I live and work here. My family lives here. All of my friends live here. The University I attended and love enough to post on a message board about daily is here. I love Alabama. I loathe its politics and its ineptitude. I would like to one day see the stereotype that we're all a bunch of ignorant hicks that would rather mire in ignorance and a terrible economy than allow people to do things they can (and do) go to any bordering state to boost their economies.

You people are so hypocritical it's sickening. You say you're opposed to the nanny-state. Bullshit. What is more nanny-state than nitpicking about the size of bottles a beer can come in?

You people are right about one thing. It's an asinine thing to have issue with. So why the fuck is it illegal?

We should just err on the side of making everything illegal by default?

[AWK]

It's sad to me that this state is ok with being so bass ackwards and letting their economy tank at the expensive of completely irrational nanny-state laws.

I live and work here. My family lives here. All of my friends live here. The University I attended and love enough to post on a message board about daily is here. I love Alabama. I loathe its politics and its ineptitude. I would like to one day see the stereotype that we're all a bunch of ignorant hicks that would rather mire in ignorance and a terrible economy than allow people to do things they can (and do) go to any bordering state to boost their economies.

You people are so hypocritical it's sickening. You say you're opposed to the nanny-state. Bullshit. What is more nanny-state than nitpicking about the size of bottles a beer can come in?

You people are right about one thing. It's an asinine thing to have issue with. So why the fuck is it illegal?

We should just err on the side of making everything illegal by default?

True story:

I used to get aggravated by the way Hollywood portrays the south and especially Alabama in movies.  I would see My Cousin Vinny and Sweet Home Alabama and think, dammit all that is bullshit.  Our state is not like that, it is actually pretty nice...

Then I started working and following Alabama politics...

Then I witnessed thousands of times the mindset and irrationality of a majority of citizens in the state...

I then realized why other states laugh at us.

[GH2001]

It's sad to me that this state is ok with being so bass ackwards and letting their economy tank at the expensive of completely irrational nanny-state laws.

I live and work here. My family lives here. All of my friends live here. The University I attended and love enough to post on a message board about daily is here. I love Alabama. I loathe its politics and its ineptitude. I would like to one day see the stereotype that we're all a bunch of ignorant hicks that would rather mire in ignorance and a terrible economy than allow people to do things they can (and do) go to any bordering state to boost their economies.

You people are so hypocritical it's sickening. You say you're opposed to the nanny-state. Bullpoop. What is more nanny-state than nitpicking about the size of bottles a beer can come in?

You people are right about one thing. It's an asinine thing to have issue with. So why the phuk is it illegal?

We should just err on the side of making everything illegal by default?

Dude - I am not actually disagreeing with you. My point is I think we have bigger fish to fry at the moment.

My same stance applied to the "gays in the military" topic a couple of weeks ago.  By loathing on a lot of minor, secondary social issues, you are playing right into the hand of these politicians. Obama (or any other of the loons in DC or the State of AL) loves it when the people get mired down in such issues as gays, abortion, small legalities such as alcohol, gambling, lotteries. It distracts you from real shit going down. They know the folks are very passionate about social issues as evidenced on this board the last week or two on topics like this.

To err on the side of making everything illegal = Communist
To err on the side of making everything legal = Anarchy

Neither way is right. There is a good medium.

[Kaos]

Classic Kaos strategy.

Yep.
 
Blow up the opposing argument, expose its flaws and watch the other side go down in flames.

Classic. 

[Vandy Vol]

Guns do not have addictive properties.  Nobody's ever picked up a gun and become physically addicted.

Addiction is either physical or psychological, meaning that you either have a physical dependence or a psychological dependence.  Drugs that are physically addictive would be nicotine and heroine.  Beer is not a drug of physical dependence; it is one of psychological dependence.  Does this mean it should be banned?  Well, many people with overeating habits have a psychological dependence on food.  This doesn't mean we should ban food.

Unfortunately, anything can be psychologically addictive; it depends upon the person's mental state, genetics, upbringing, etc.  Thus, there isn't a legitimate reason for banning a substance simply because some people have psychological addictions to it.

Casinos: Gambling can be (allegedly) a physical addiction. I don't necessarily buy that, but this is the only thing on your list which has even a scintilla of merit.  I guess that's why there's such a huge debate over having them in this state.

It's a psychological addiction.  Gambling does not put anything foreign into your body which your body then physically requires to continue to function.  Receptors in your brain do not become accustomed to a foreign substance and require that the substance continue to be administered.  There is a difference between psychological and physical addictions.  Both can result in physical symptoms, but the underlying cause of the two addictions are distinctly different.

[AUTiger1]

Beer is not a drug of physical dependence; it is one of psychological dependence. 

Huh?

[AUChizad]

Yep.
 
Blow up the opposing argument, expose its flaws and watch the other side go down in flames.

Classic.  

Or spew a litany of falsehoods, build up an arbitrary set of requirements for something to fit your argument, yet hold each individual tenant to a different standard to squeeze it into your flawed logic. You then force us to challenge such asinine statements as claiming that you can't buy Sudafed over the counter, or how you can't be addicted to guns or cars (as if that makes them less deadly, or is even true for that matter), in an effort to divert the argument from the one that was being made.

Limiting alcohol in the ways Free The Hops are fighting against, are textbook examples of Nanny State politics.

[wesfau2]

Or spew a litany of falsehoods, build up an arbitrary set of requirements for something to fit your argument, yet hold each individual tenant to a different standard to squeeze it into your flawed logic. You then force us to challenge such asinine statements as claiming that you can't buy Sudafed over the counter, or how you can't be addicted to guns or cars (as if that makes them less deadly, or is even true for that matter), in an effort to divert the argument from the one that was being made.

Bingo.

[AUChizad]

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-3134665/Study-unmasks-U-S-addiction.html

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=131407&page=1

[wreckingball]

Yep.
 
Blow up the opposing argument, expose its flaws and watch the other side go down in flames.

Classic. 

I thought your strategy was to introduce flawed logic into various arguments that makes you think that you've won a particular debate, but usually just make you look like a hick douchebag.

[wesfau2]

I thought your strategy was to introduce flawed logic into various arguments that makes you think that you've won a particular debate, but usually just make you look like a hick douchebag.

Removing the "hick" label would earn this post a double-bingo.

[chinook]

"free the hops" + "brewery modernization act"  = revenue (i.e. >taxation)

[GH2001]

"free the hops"  = revenue (i.e. >taxation)

Just for arguments sake, what are the reasons that they are giving as to why they don't want this to happen? I really havent followed this heavily. Keep it objective...

[AUChizad]

Just for arguments sake, what are the reasons that they are giving as to why they don't want this to happen? I really havent followed this heavily. Keep it objective...

They don't think this guy would approve. -->

[AWK]

They don't think this guy would approve. -->

As sad as it is, Fact.

[GH2001]

This guy mostly -->

Ok -

1st - I dont think thats objective. I think thats what you want to think out of anger over the issue. Sometimes religion is to blame, and then sometimes its an easy scapegoat.

2nd - It makes no sense. If that were the REAL reason, many other things would be outlawed. Why stop at microbreweries? No beer at ALL, no cigarettes, no rubbers, no birth control pills.

3rd - If they actually used that as a reason, that would be technically ILLEGAL.

What are the reasons they are saying in opposition?