Birmingham officially sucks more...

[Saniflush]

So in summation he would like to show you his all beef frank and have you pay.

[GH2001]

Is it possible that the people that are actually in the "radio station" business and actually own radio stations may know more than you about how to run a profitable station? 

This has nothing to do with what kind of music was on there and how good it was or how loyal of a following it had.  How many people show up at a gathering couldn't be more irrelevant.  The people that show up could be 85% of all the people that listen, who knows. 

People that listen to indie music tend to be very passionate about it, and therefore more likely to show up at an event, or create a facebook group, or post about it on an Auburn football message board.  Unfortunately, the passion doesn't affect the bottom line.  You seem to grasp that it was a business decision, but your emotion is getting involved and telling you that it must have been a poor decision (because of how you feel about the station).

There used to be a hot dog place near where I work here in San Antonio.  It was one of three places in the city that sold Vienna Beef hot dogs out of Chicago.  They're the best in the world, one of my all-time favorite things to eat.  They closed.  Sure, there were a hand full of dedicated and passionate customers that ate there all the time, told all their friends, and always showed up when there were specials.  But the fact was, there just weren't enough of us to support that guy, and he had to close his doors.  Had he been in Atlanta or Dallas or somewhere else, there likely would have been enough support.  But not here in San Antonio...no matter how good the hot dogs were or how many times I ate there, it didn't make them more profitable or desirable to the masses.  A certain amount of "the masses" is what that guy needed, because there weren't enough "indie" Vienna Beef hot dog lovers like me out there.

So he closed his doors.

You station may have had great hot dogs and lots of dedicated regulars.  But there just weren't enough of you to make it profitable.

So they closed their doors.

By the way.....what do you consider old?

Kind of like Boardwalk Fries and Milos.....

[wreckingball]

Is it possible that the people that are actually in the "radio station" business and actually own radio stations may know more than you about how to run a profitable station? 

This has nothing to do with what kind of music was on there and how good it was or how loyal of a following it had.  How many people show up at a gathering couldn't be more irrelevant.  The people that show up could be 85% of all the people that listen, who knows. 

People that listen to indie music tend to be very passionate about it, and therefore more likely to show up at an event, or create a facebook group, or post about it on an Auburn football message board.  Unfortunately, the passion doesn't affect the bottom line.  You seem to grasp that it was a business decision, but your emotion is getting involved and telling you that it must have been a poor decision (because of how you feel about the station).

There used to be a hot dog place near where I work here in San Antonio.  It was one of three places in the city that sold Vienna Beef hot dogs out of Chicago.  They're the best in the world, one of my all-time favorite things to eat.  They closed.  Sure, there were a hand full of dedicated and passionate customers that ate there all the time, told all their friends, and always showed up when there were specials.  But the fact was, there just weren't enough of us to support that guy, and he had to close his doors.  Had he been in Atlanta or Dallas or somewhere else, there likely would have been enough support.  But not here in San Antonio...no matter how good the hot dogs were or how many times I ate there, it didn't make them more profitable or desirable to the masses.  A certain amount of "the masses" is what that guy needed, because there weren't enough "indie" Vienna Beef hot dog lovers like me out there.

So he closed his doors.

You station may have had great hot dogs and lots of dedicated regulars.  But there just weren't enough of you to make it profitable.

So they closed their doors.

By the way.....what do you consider old?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/business/media/21citadel.html
according to this article, I'm going to say they don't know what the fuck they are doing.

What do I consider old?

The number that comes to mind is 35 at the moment.

[Saniflush]

See there is the difference.

That article tells me that they stayed with loser stations too damn long.


I can also tell you that your perception of what is old will change throughout your life.

[Vandy Vol]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/business/media/21citadel.html
according to this article, I'm going to say they don't know what the fuck they are doing.

We're in a recession; many companies have failed.  In fact, the article points out that Citadel Broadcasting's bankruptcy "reflect(s) the troubles plaguing the radio industry amid steep declines in advertising revenue and big debt loads."

According to the Radio Business Report, financial problems are not plaguing broadcasting companies because of bad decisions they make with specific radio stations.  Rather, there is simply an economic disaster that is affecting their ad revenue.

http://www.rbr.com/radio/21263.html

[jadennis]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/business/media/21citadel.html
according to this article, I'm going to say they don't know what the phuk they are doing.

What do I consider old?

The number that comes to mind is 35 at the moment.

So all the "old" 35 year-olds like myself on here that are telling you the radio station was changed because of what was most likely a financially forced business decision are just crazy "old" people?  You're telling us you should step in for these idiot Citadel Broadcasting morons and run the show?

The man who is too old to learn was probably always too old to learn.   

[AUChizad]

So all the "old" 35 year-olds like myself on here that are telling you the radio station was changed because of what was most likely a financially forced business decision are just crazy "old" people?  You're telling us you should step in for these idiot Citadel Broadcasting morons and run the show?

The man who is too old to learn was probably always too old to learn.   

Sounds like old talk to me. Akin to words like "gobbledy gook", "googly moogly", and "soft core pornography".

[GH2001]

35 is old? Damn......How old are you all? Just curious.

When I was in my 20's, I also thought I knew it all and could run the world. Its ok though - the tunnel vision gets wider as you get older. Sani is right.

Now, get off my lawn you whippersnappers.....

[Iwannaplay]

35 is old? Damn......How old are you all? Just curious.

When I was in my 20's, I also thought I knew it all and could run the world. Its ok though - the tunnel vision gets wider as you get older. Sani is right.

Now, get off my lawn you whippersnappers.....

You're too old to be on a message board if you're 35. If you're 35 and an active member of a message board, you're a loser and probably always have been.

[AWK]

You're too old to be on a message board if you're 35. If you're 35 and an active member of a message board, you're a loser and probably always have been.

Same things go for guys who wear pink shirts. 

[jadennis]

35 is old? Damn......How old are you all? Just curious.

When I was in my 20's, I also thought I knew it all and could run the world. Its ok though - the tunnel vision gets wider as you get older. Sani is right.

Now, get off my lawn you whippersnappers.....

He picked 35 as "old" because he clicked on my profile and saw that I'm 35.  I'm guessing most people here are upper 20s to mid 40s, with some exceptions here and there?

[wreckingball]

He picked 35 as "old" because he clicked on my profile and saw that I'm 35. 

True, I looked at your profile and got your age, which is why I said, " at the moment." 35 really isn't old, unless you have been married with children long enough to have been broken by the constant nagging and stupidity that women and children bring into the situation.

[Pell City Tiger]

Only ELO can get away with synthesizing.

ELO kicked ass!

[Hogwally]

     It's funny, when I was in school I really thought 40 was old, couldn't imagine that I would possibly live that long.  Now as I look back at the kids in school, it just doesn't seem possible that I am old enough to be their dad.   BTW, turn that music down, it's way to loud.

[Pell City Tiger]

turn that music down, it's way to loud.

and fer chrissakes, pull those damn pants up.

[Vandy Vol]

and fer chrissakes, pull those damn pants up.

You sure about that?

[Pell City Tiger]

You sure about that?

Damn! I'd listen to indie music for that!

[Saniflush]

Damn! I'd listen to indie music for that!

Wtf ever.  That thong would never fit you.

[Kaos]

Actually, when I went on my original rant, I was just expressing my disdain for the decision made by citadel broadcasting because it meant taking away one of the few institutions that I found enjoyable in Birmingham, as well as my hatred of old people. I never said that the station was perfect, and I agree that some poor managerial decisions were made in regards to ad revenue. I don't believe it is a fair assumption to use the ratings argument because there are many factors involved that could attribute to this, like the fact that it is a relatively new radio station in terms of longevity or that one of the better djs on the station, Amber, was moved by citadel from 100.5 to some classic rock station. The misused data is many of these arguments makes me wonder if some of you actually attended any form of higher education at all. The facebook group size was meant to display that a number of Birmingham area citizens were fans of this radio station, its not meant to display all of the people that listen to the station. By comparing the group size to the population of birmingham, jefferson county, the state of alabama, or whatever population that you find to show the exaggerated stat that will support your argument isn't really a true gauge of anything at all.

We all know that this was a business decision, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good decision just because you don't like the type of music played on the station. The station had an ever growing loyal fan base and the main problem was with the mismanagement from citadel broadcasting. Regardless of the type of music you listen to, you can see that replacing this station, with what I am guessing will be the liberal counterpoint to the other talk radio stations we already have, cannot be the best decision. If anything, just alter the programming and bring in a better ad manager for you station.

If you really think that this station didn't have any listeners then you should have come to one of their many events or seen how many sold out concerts from this station bringing attention to relatively unknown artist.

And for all of you that say that nobody listens to indie music, I'm pretty sure that Vampire Weekend's album Contra was #1 on the billboard top 200 when it was released. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people have to listen to your album to reach #1.

Blah blah blah. 

No, it's not fair to use objective, measurable criteria to determine performance. 

Everybody should get a trophy.   Why do teams even keep score?  That's just mean.  It damages self esteem.

[Kaos]

You're too old to be on a message board if you're 35. If you're 35 and an active member of a message board, you're a loser and probably always have been.

I would think that the opposite is true.  If you're under 35 you're less likely to be married.  You're less likely to have things like a mortgage, braces, mini vans, dance lessons for the kids and college savings funds to pay for. 

If you're under 35 you should be out chasing the dream (and tail) instead of sitting around in your mom's basement or your darkened dorm room looking at porn and contributing to a message board. 

If you're over 35 your life is already pretty much laid out.  You don't have the time or inclination to chase tail -- too expensive -- and you've risen to a point in your job where you can sit around the office and essentially do nothing all day. 

So shut the fuck up and get out of my office.