2010 NSD Official Update Thread

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

Class is completely signed.  If there are any surprises, I'll add them later!

WDE!

[Token]

Class is completely signed.  If there are any surprises, I'll add them later!

WDE!

Solid class.  Especially that big TE prospect.  Hard to believe he was able to hover under the table that long.

[Godfather]

It's still in there GF...

I had added 2 more

[Godfather]

Solid class.  Especially that big TE prospect.  Hard to believe he was able to hover under the table that long.

You talkin bout Jonsux Meballs?

The only problem we might have is with the helmet.

[Thrilla]

You talkin bout Jonsux Meballs?

The only problem we might have is with the helmet.

I say put 'em in there without one.  He's tough as nails.  Rumor has it that his lateral vision is the best in the country.

[dallaswareagle]

You talkin bout Jonsux Meballs?

The only problem we might have is with the helmet.

The back of the helmet won't be easy either.

   

[Thrilla]

so who is/was the surprise possible commitment discussed in another thread yesterday?

Didn't see an answer...so I'm guessing it's either Jonsux Meballs, or Tunde Fariyike.  Somebody verify, please.   

[boartitz]

Just remember guys like Steven Clark, Tunde Fariyike, and Ladarious Phillips are more than likely simply walk-ons. In Fariyike's case, he will probably be a walk-on that is on an academic scholarship. That won't count against the 28. We got a kicker today that has a 4.7 GPA and is doing the same thing. Plus, AU is back counting I think 5 guys. So really, maybe the three I listed will be scholarship players.

It will count against the number if he plays football. That's the Bear Bryant rule. Sign some smart kids, put some on volleyball schollies, etc. and dress out 150.
Academic schollies cannot play football without counting against the NCAA football limits.

[RWS]

It will count against the number if he plays football. That's the Bear Bryant rule. Sign some smart kids, put some on volleyball schollies, etc. and dress out 150.
Academic schollies cannot play football without counting against the NCAA football limits.

Bullshit. If they are recruited to the school primarily on an academic basis, then they don't have to use a football scholarship. The three low ranking guys AU signed, and the low ranking kicker Alabama signed, were not primary football recruits. What you're talking about is a rule that disallows an academic scholarship to somebody like Michael Dyer, or Demarcus Milliner. Recruits that are obviously football talents, and are nationally recruited. You would have a hard time convincing the NCAA that a player that was not nationally recruited, had 0 football offers, and had a 4.7 GPA isn't mainly an academic recruit.

[jadennis]

Bullpoop. If they are recruited to the school primarily on an academic basis, then they don't have to use a football scholarship. The three low ranking guys AU signed, and the low ranking kicker Alabama signed, were not primary football recruits. What you're talking about is a rule that disallows an academic scholarship to somebody like Michael Dyer, or Demarcus Milliner. Recruits that are obviously football talents, and are nationally recruited. You would have a hard time convincing the NCAA that a player that was not nationally recruited, had 0 football offers, and had a 4.7 GPA isn't mainly an academic recruit.

On one hand, this makes some sense, but on the other hand, I can't imagine the NCAA leaving it open to interpretation like that.  I mean, where is the line drawn?  Do they use Rivals rankings to prove a kid was primarily one thing and not another?  

I would think that if the kid signs a national letter of intent and faxes it to the football office on national signing day....he's gonna count against the roster limit, IMO.  These aren't kids who went the academic rout and then just showed up as a walk-on for spring practice.  If that were the case...why the LOI and why ON national signing day?  Easy answer....because they're football players.  Fariyike and Phillips both had offers and have profiles on recruiting service websites. 

[RWS]

On one hand, this makes some sense, but on the other hand, I can't imagine the NCAA leaving it open to interpretation like that.  I mean, where is the line drawn?  Do they use Rivals rankings to prove a kid was primarily one thing and not another? 

I would think that if the kid signs a national letter of intent and faxes it to the football office on national signing day....he's gonna count against the roster limit, IMO.  These aren't kids who went the academic rout and then just showed up as a walk-on for spring practice.  If that were the case...why the LOI and why ON national signing day?  Easy answer....because they're football players.

I'm trying to find the NCAA language on this.

[Saniflush]

I'm trying to find the NCAA language on this.

Found it.

Fuck you. We hate athletes.  We are money whores who have nobody's interests at heart except our own.


I think that was verbatim.

[RWS]

Found it.

Fuck you. We hate athletes.  We are money whores who have nobody's interests at heart except our own.


I think that was verbatim.

Thanks, this saves me a ton of legwork.

[Buzz Killington]

Found it.

Fuck you. We hate athletes.  We are money whores who have nobody's interests at heart except our own.


I think that was verbatim.

You missed page 2.  It reads...and I quote..."And stop asking about a fucking playoff.  You know it will never happen."

[eagleair89]

I'm trying to find the NCAA language on this.

found it....not going to post it here....too phucking long.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/D1_Manual9d74a0b2-d10d-4587-8902-b0c781e128ae.pdf

start reading on page 171-178.........it is a slippery slope and what the NCAA deems legal today....... well aint necessarily legal tomorrow.

WAR EAGLE

[ibelonginprison]

Where'd Luhshaye Sea-suck end up?

[RWS]

found it....not going to post it here....too phucking long.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/D1_Manual9d74a0b2-d10d-4587-8902-b0c781e128ae.pdf

start reading on page 171-178.........it is a slippery slope and what the NCAA deems legal today....... well aint necessarily legal tomorrow.

WAR EAGLE

What we are talking about, in particular, is on page 177. I would guess a 4.7 GPA would qualify as an "outstanding high school graduate", don't you think, boartitz? Apparently this would apply even if you were primarily a football recruit, so I was a little wrong there. Barrett Jones was on the Bryant Scholarship his first year at Alabama, and he also had a 4.7 GPA when he graduated high school.

[RWS]

Where'd Luhshaye Sea-suck end up?

Oregon put out a release to media outlets via internet that they would not release the names of those who faxed LOIs until 1PM PST. Its 1:30 there now and still no word on anybody, so I don't know whats up with that.

[jadennis]

I think what we're looking at is more on page 183 (as far as how it counts towards athletic scholarship limits).

There are three sections about it...

15.5.1.2 essentially says that a kid can be given financial aid that is not based on athletic ability, and he will not count against a roster limit until he actually participates in a varsity sport.  (this is more for schools that still have JV teams I suppose?).

15.5.1.1 applies only if you were enrolled prior to some date in 2005.

15.5.2.2 says that a kid who is awarded financial aid based solely on his academic qualifications can participate without counting towards a roster limit, but only after completing one academic year of full-time enrollment and has achieved a grade point average of 3.3.

So it looks like if a freshman comes in and plays (varsity) he'll count towards the limit.  But after his first full year, if he has a 3.3, he can continue to receive academic financial aid and not count toward scholarship limits.

Interesting.  I guess that's how they take the subjectivity out of it.  You can start him off on academic scholarship, but he still counts towards an athletic scholarship for the first year.  If the kid has a 3.3 after the first year (thereby proving his academic worthiness?), you can stop counting him against your athletic scholarship limit.

But I'm guessing this applies only to those who can qualify for an academic scholarship to begin with...not just any ole player who happens to have a 3.3 after his first year.

[RWS]

I think what we're looking at is more on page 183 (as far as how it counts towards athletic scholarship limits).

There are three sections about it...

15.5.1.2 essentially says that a kid can be given financial aid that is not based on athletic ability, and he will not count against a roster limit until he actually participates in a varsity sport.  (this is more for schools that still have JV teams I suppose?).

15.5.1.1 applies only if you were enrolled prior to some date in 2005.

15.5.2.2 says that a kid who is awarded financial aid based solely on his academic qualifications can participate without counting towards a roster limit, but only after completing one academic year of full-time enrollment and has achieved a grade point average of 3.3.

So it looks like if a freshman comes in and plays (varsity) he'll count towards the limit.  But after his first full year, if he has a 3.3, he can continue to receive academic financial aid and not count toward scholarship limits.

Interesting.  I guess that's how they take the subjectivity out of it.  You can start him off on academic scholarship, but he still counts towards an athletic scholarship for the first year.  If the kid has a 3.3 after the first year (thereby proving his academic worthiness?), you can stop counting him against your athletic scholarship limit.

But I'm guessing this applies only to those who can qualify for an academic scholarship to begin with...not just any ole player who happens to have a 3.3 after his first year.

This almost has some sort of backcounting ring to it, yes?