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Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« on: February 01, 2010, 03:56:59 PM »
Given that a few of you swear by this Dave Matthews shit, I considered the fact that I may have misjudged.  When I saw he was going to perform at the Grammys and given the fact that my nine year old was eagerly awaiting the inevitable Taylor Swift conquers the world moments, I decided to watch with an open mind and see if maybe I missed the boat or something. 

After watching his performance?

FUCK NO!  I was 100% right on.  It was a douchebag fest.  I'd rather have my eyes clawed out by an aged ocelot and my ears ravaged by a donkey with a bullhorn than be subjected to that kind of skippity-bee-bop douchebag garbage. 

Glad to know I was right all along.
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2010, 04:12:50 PM »
But on the bright side, Taylor Swift was excellent.
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2010, 04:15:36 PM »
But on the bright side, Taylor Swift was excellent.

Her performance underwhelmed, IMO.   Her voice, frankly, isn't all that good.  But I'm glad she doesn't hide it's un-goodness by sticking synthesizers and other manipulative Britney Spears crap on top of it.  

The performance I enjoyed was Jamie Foxx, T-Pain, that black oompa loompa and Slash.  Mr. Slash is a serious rock legend.  
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2010, 04:26:40 PM »
Her performance underwhelmed, IMO.   Her voice, frankly, isn't all that good.  But I'm glad she doesn't hide it's un-goodness by sticking synthesizers and other manipulative Britney Spears crap on top of it.  

The performance I enjoyed was Jamie Foxx, T-Pain, that black oompa loompa and Slash.  Mr. Slash is a serious rock legend.  

You missed my czarchasm.  I do agree on the Slash statement though...too bad he played to Mickey Mouse's singing.
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2010, 05:25:39 PM »
If you never saw Dave Matthews live in the mid to late 90s then there is no hope of ever getting what that band was about.  Under the "pop" that they produce for the masses used to be a very, very unique, innovative, and very talented band.  I lost interest in them about 5-7 years ago because they had lost their "edge" or what it was that made them tick.

But from around 1993 to 1998, they were a really, really good live band that was unlike anything else going.  They mixed so many things so well (jazz, rock, etc) because they all came from such different backgrounds.  I guess over the years, those backgrounds became so far in their past, they started to lose that a little.  

Anyway, if you only tuned in to hear them play the Grammys 2010, you've already missed who they were.  It's like listening to Sting's Brand New Day CD (1999) and deciding Zenyatta Mondatta by the Police (1980) must suck (assuming you didn't like Brand New Day).
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2010, 06:57:54 PM »
There was nothing about that performance which indicated there may ever have been anything he had to offer that may have been of even the remotest interest to me.

When he first started "dancing" I was initially concerned that he was accidentally being electrocuted. When I realized he was moving like that on purpose, I hoped that he would be electrocuted.

Skibbledy-bee-bop riffing does not equal talent.

BTW, I get the album analogy. You can't use Psycho Circus to judge Destroyer or get KISS. But we aren't talking albums. We are talking performance.  You can judge what kind of band KISS or AC/DC, etc. Is by watching them perform today.

And that big goofy fuck did laughably have a nominated album so it's not like he's allegedly 30 years past whatever douchebaggy fanboy 15 minutes of fame he had.

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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2010, 07:28:19 PM »
But on the bright side, Taylor Swift was excellent.
You don't have to sing on key to be the entertainer of the year, poor Stevie Nicks was blown off stage by Taylor's earth shaking vocals.
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2010, 10:34:39 PM »
http://www.pollstarpro.com/files/TopTourOfTheDecade.pdf

Looks like DMB was the #1 Grossing Touring Act in the 2000-2009 decade. Didn't see Kiss on that list.
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2010, 11:03:47 PM »
http://www.pollstarpro.com/files/TopTourOfTheDecade.pdf

Looks like DMB was the #1 Grossing Touring Act in the 2000-2009 decade. Didn't see Kiss on that list.

Yeah, but I did see Barry Fucking Manilow, *NSYNC, Cher and Toby Keith among others.  No accounting for taste. 

KISS had the top grossing tour in 1996 and 1997.  it had the top grossing tours in 1977 and 1978. 

The band only did limited tours in the years referenced as they had no new material.  Not exactly a legitimate comparison.

Let's see how many geriatric bitches and sweater-wearing geezers wheel their musty asses to see Dave "Douchebag" Matthews 35 years after he began.   We'll see if he can stay at the top in two different decades -- twenty years apart.    Let's see. He started his "music" in 1991 at some queer Earth Day Festival -- there's strike one.  They didn't get popular with the douchebag college crowd until, what, 1994 or 1995?  Hmmm.  KISS was kicking his tour ass then. 

So why don't you come back and tell me how great this liver-spotted douche is if he's still touring in 2029, will that work?   You'll probably be able to go see him at the Brewton Country Club or maybe playing a birthday party at some nursing home then. 

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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2010, 08:22:16 AM »
We have had this discussion. I agree, the performance at the grammy's was less than spectacular, but ALL of his performances at those kind of things are less than spectacular. Like JAD said, his best stuff is in concert and was before he got "pop". I hated seeing him turn to that kind of music because his first 3 or 4 albums were pretty damn good...especially played live.

Judging that performance would be like me judging KISS without make up, pyrotechnics, or drinking blood. Yes Dave dances gay as shit. Yes Dave acts quirky as hell. But his music...more so the old stuff...is good as hell. Especially live.

I like DMB because of what JAD said. Also, I like the acoustic guitar and the way the members of the band brought all kinds of styles into the music. I like hearing the keyboard, sax, guitar, bass violin, etc...in all of the different songs. It is better to me than listening to 2 electric guitars playing power chords as loud as they can. That's just me.

This is what you need to judge DMB on. If you don't like it...fine. Different strokes and stuff...




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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2010, 08:28:51 AM »
We have had this discussion.

This is what you need to judge DMB on. If you don't like it...fine. Different strokes and stuff...


I don't like it.  

But...

When Kaos says:  Dave Matthews is for fags and douchebags, he fucking sucks, he should be electrocuted by sticking cables to his scrotum like a fucking Michael Vick dog

Kaos means:  It's not my style.  I prefer other types of music.

BTW, I like KISS partially because I know they sort of suck.  But the KISS Army thing to me has always been a little like the Auburn family.  Growing up an Auburn fan in an Alabama town and getting ridiculed when I was a kid for wearing an Auburn shirt had a lot in common with being a KISS fan when everybody said they sucked.  And then I grew to appreciate what they do.   

Certainly not the only type of music I like.  My iPod list is ridiculously varied and I like it all.  Earth Wind and Fire to Neil Diamond to Tupac to Boozoo Chavis to Eminem to Sinatra to Charlie Daniels to Gordon Lightfoot.  KISS is still the best live show I've been to. 
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2010, 08:59:58 AM »
You like Medeski Martin and Wood? Those guys are pretty good, fusion of jam funk jam...I like to listen to them at work since it's upbeat and instrumental. You may like it...









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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2010, 09:15:21 AM »
I would have never figured you for a Boozoo fan.  I had a beautiful clerk at a NOLA record shop talk me into buying one of his CDs several years ago, and have been a huge fan since...of Boozoo too.
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2010, 09:23:53 AM »
I would have never figured you for a Boozoo fan.  I had a beautiful clerk at a NOLA record shop talk me into buying one of his CDs several years ago, and have been a huge fan since...of Boozoo too.

Love Cajun music.  Piss my family off every Christmas by playing cajun Christmas music.  They've relegated me to playing it in their presence only one day during the season. 

Also like Buckwheat Zydeco, Clifton Cheneir, Beau Jocque and John Delafose among others.  I like it better when the lyrics are in french and I don't understand. 

There is one song I've been searching for that my daughter used to like years ago.  It's about a dog that's gonna bite.  I've looked all over.  I think Delafose is the artist. 
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2010, 09:31:23 AM »
Love Cajun music.  Piss my family off every Christmas by playing cajun Christmas music.  They've relegated me to playing it in their presence only one day during the season. 

Also like Buckwheat Zydeco, Clifton Cheneir, Beau Jocque and John Delafose among others.  I like it better when the lyrics are in french and I don't understand. 

There is one song I've been searching for that my daughter used to like years ago.  It's about a dog that's gonna bite.  I've looked all over.  I think Delafose is the artist. 

Geno Delafose?  The guy that sings Chickens on the Run?  Don't know why exactly, but I love that song.
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2010, 09:35:56 AM »
Geno Delafose?  The guy that sings Chickens on the Run?  Don't know why exactly, but I love that song.

No.  John. 

Weird how shit works.   Looked for months and in five minutes I found it today. 

http://www.last.fm/music/John+Delafose+and+The+Eunice+Playboys/Zydeco+Barnyard/Watch+That+Dog

The song really isn't that good, but my daughter used to laugh at it.  That makes it worthwhile even fifteen years later.
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2010, 02:11:20 PM »

BTW, I like KISS partially because I know they sort of suck. 

The devil just got very cold!!
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2010, 03:26:56 PM »
The devil just got very cold!!

Never said they were the alpha and omega of music.  I just like them because they know what they are, they put on a good show and they don't try to be something they're not.  They don't tell me who I should vote for like some douchebags (Springsteen, Matthews, Dixies, half the country artists, and U2, for instance).  They don't look down their noses at me or think I'm inferior because I don't subscribe to their particular political or economic views (Matthews again).

They just get on stage, play basic rock and roll and offer entertainment without strings.  Except for the strings to your wallet as you purchase their licensed crap.

Ace is an excellent guitarist and inspired a number of guys like Slash and Eddie Van Halen.  Something to be said for that. 

Paul, who has limited vocal range, is a solid front man and helped change the way bands interact with their audiences. 

Gene is the consummate narcissistic promoter, always thinking of bigger and better ways to build the show (and at the same time deplete your pockets by marketing the image).   Gene completely altered the performance landscape.  Along with bands/people like Alice Cooper, KISS was a driving force behind the elaborate shows that have elevated lesser bands and musicians.  Garth Brooks, for instance, made a career out of his reputation as a live performer and did so by essentially copying the KISS shows he'd watched growing up. 

Peter?  Well, Pete's just a drummer.  But he looks like a cat. 
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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2010, 04:49:51 PM »
It' always better with DMB when David is limited on the vocals. Warren Haynes >>>>>>>

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Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2010, 04:56:58 PM »
You forced me...

Black Diamond from 1977





Same song from 1996



That's how it's done. 
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