Is it as bad as you thought it'd be?

[RWS]

1.  Do you think Auburn fans will be crushed if we're not #1?    

2.  Do you think we'll be printing up "crutin' chameenchips" t-shirts to sell on the side of the road like Bammer did/ does?   Anything and everything I've seen would be in mocking your POS sidewalk fan base, and the fact that Bammer has claimed that Auburn couldn't possibly hang with the ulti-midget.

3.  Besides Richardson (that everyone here has been talking about possibly not making it in), who do you have knowledge of, that aren't going to make it in?

1. No.

2. Who knows. AU fans have gone back on alot of what they were dishing out to Alabama fans about recruiting, etc. How stars weren't important, character was. Tuberville isn't recruiting by looking at Rivals like Saban. Things like that. Thats what my reply to you talking about memory loss was about. It seems you guys have forgotten ALOT of the spin you spun about recruiting just a year or two ago. And for that matter, you're premature in saying that AU is hanging with Alabama's recruiting. AU is bringing in a highly ranked class right now, absolutely. Its impressive as it stands. They still have to do something with it, though. But in all fairness, I can't decisively say AU ISN'T hanging with Alabama. Its one of those things where you just have to let it play out. As for right now, you have to be impressed with the class AU is bringing in on paper.

3. I don't know. I'm not saying AU is going to have a bunch of non-qualifiers or anything. I'm assuming there will be a few, because unless you're Notre Dame or something, usually every school has a few non-qualifiers. I would automatically assume that AU has at least 3, just because. No idea who they might be, just going on what seems to be about average.

[AUChizad]

2. Who knows. AU fans have gone back on alot of what they were dishing out to Alabama fans about recruiting, etc. How stars weren't important, character was. Tuberville isn't recruiting by looking at Rivals like Saban. Things like that. Thats what my reply to you talking about memory loss was about. It seems you guys have forgotten ALOT of the spin you spun about recruiting just a year or two ago. And for that matter, you're premature in saying that AU is hanging with Alabama's recruiting. AU is bringing in a highly ranked class right now, absolutely. Its impressive as it stands. They still have to do something with it, though. But in all fairness, I can't decisively say AU ISN'T hanging with Alabama. Its one of those things where you just have to let it play out. As for right now, you have to be impressed with the class AU is bringing in on paper.

I will tell you this.

If we ended up #1 in recruiting (which I don't think we will), and you see Crootin' MNC t-shirts, photoshops, etc., it will be purely mocking your fanbase. I wouldn't expect you to pick up on satire though.

[RWS]

I will tell you this.

If we ended up #1 in recruiting (which I don't think we will), and you see Crootin' MNC t-shirts, photoshops, etc., it will be purely mocking your fanbase. I wouldn't expect you to pick up on satire though.

And in reality, I really don't care. I wasn't one of those people in my fanbase doing any of that, so it doesn't make a shit to me.

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

1. No.

Correct.

2. Who knows. AU fans have gone back on alot of what they were dishing out to Alabama fans about recruiting, etc. How stars weren't important, character was. Tuberville isn't recruiting by looking at Rivals like Saban. Things like that. Thats what my reply to you talking about memory loss was about. It seems you guys have forgotten ALOT of the spin you spun about recruiting just a year or two ago. And for that matter, you're premature in saying that AU is hanging with Alabama's recruiting. AU is bringing in a highly ranked class right now, absolutely. Its impressive as it stands. They still have to do something with it, though. But in all fairness, I can't decisively say AU ISN'T hanging with Alabama. Its one of those things where you just have to let it play out. As for right now, you have to be impressed with the class AU is bringing in on paper.

 

Stars STILL might not mean everything, but it's obvious that higher ranked players are ranked that way for a reason.  At the same time, you can NOT deny that Tuberville beat bammer like a drum recruiting like he did for a long time.  If he's got that fire in him again, he's going to do great things at Texas Tech.  He's a kick ass coach and great face for a school.  He just got beat up at Auburn by Saban at the end with better talent.  Credit given where credit is due.

Things are different however, and the higher stars and more talented players are coming to Auburn now.  Regardless of who finishes #1, if we're both in the top 5...or better... We're "hangin'".  Don't fool yourself.    

3. I don't know. I'm not saying AU is going to have a bunch of non-qualifiers or anything. I'm assuming there will be a few, because unless you're Notre Dame or something, usually every school has a few non-qualifiers. I would automatically assume that AU has at least 3, just because. No idea who they might be, just going on what seems to be about average.

Nobody cares about all those teams.  

The reason Bama gets jacked with, and the reason dropping to #2 was even relevant was because of the crutin' champeenchip titles you all claimed.   It's still a badass class.  Nobody denies that.  However, Bama fans everywhere made abundantly clear just how important t-shirts with crutin champeeeeeechips pasted all over them were.  You might not have, RWS, but the other 98% of the sidewalk fan base absolutely did.  So, if you lose it, you're going to get fucked with.

So, if Auburn's not trying to claim it, rather just be very excited about doing better than they have in a very long time, it's warranted.  

[War Eagle!!!]

You're just looking for something to be a little bitch about. Like I said, AU is seeing some success in recruiting right now. You would have to be an idiot to argue otherwise. However, Alabama is still bringing in talent. Its not like the 2008 class when Alabama totally choked off AU. As long as Alabama is bringing in talent, and if AU happens to be doing the same, then I'm fine with that.

I am not being a little bitch about shit. You made the statement of "Figure it out" implying that those teams had good classes too but didn't have the coaching. Your "figure it out" statement rubbed me as being cocky, arrogant and condescending. So I called you an arrogant condescending mother fucker...

It's better than being called a dumb ass...but I am sure I will have to pull that one back out again soon...

[RWS]

I am not being a little bitch about shit. You made the statement of "Figure it out" implying that those teams had good classes too but didn't have the coaching. Your "figure it out" statement rubbed me as being cocky, arrogant and condescending. So I called you an arrogant condescending mother fucker...

It's better than being called a dumb ass...but I am sure I will have to pull that one back out again soon...

My point was simply that those schools had top 10 recruiting classes, but were not all that successful. I don't know whether it was because of coaching, bad evaluation, injuries, The Prowler, non-qualifiers, baby harp seals, or what. My only point was simply that you can still have a good recruiting class and it doesn't always translate to success on the field. However, there are teams like UF, Texas, USC, Alabama, etc., that do see consistant success in recruiting and it has translated on the field. UF, Texas, and USC more so than Alabama. It can go both ways.

[bottomfeeder]

Some felt that the day to day tolerance of Alabama fans would be intolerable if they won the National Championship.  Has it been as bad as you expected.  I understand I'm from the other side but aside from some redneck pics at Walmart I don't think the fan base as a whole has been that bad.  What has your experience been like?

Listen Douchebag, we don't judge Bammers as much by just the present as we do the past. The arrogance and cockiness of a bunch of inbred, uneducated drunks sitting around a black and white TV watching their gods play football. Then after a another defeat of/by the opposition (same result regardless), the numbskulls beat their wives into submission for another drunken bout of meaningless sex and the smell of bourbon all night long. The ensuing hangover the next morning turns into a case animal abuse as the average Bammer kicks his youngest child's cat on his way to the frig for a breakfast of champions (Budweiser). The cycles continues even during the off season and enriches the legitimate graduates of Bammer with tons of cash through legal fees and doctor visits. I'd say the Bammers pretty much have most of the state at their will, EXCEPT AUBURN. We don't follow your ways, and resist with every fiber of our being your way of life. You see we have creed to live by, you on the other hand are just vultures of the inbred nation.

[wreckingball]

I'm gonna have to say its really not as bad as I thought it would be. I removed all of the bammers that i know from my facebook feed which made it easier. They probably weren't real friends anyways, just rednecks that went to my high school who felt that I was there friend in some way. At work the only people I've had to deal with are old white bammers and poor black bammers, neither of which really bother me since the old people are weak and can't talk trash due to frequent hip breakage and the world has already taken a big enough dump on the poor black people. All in all, I will have to say that if we would've won, I would be way more obnoxious.

[RWS]

You mean consistent success for Bama the last few years.  You didn't do shit with it before, unlike traditionals like UF, Texas and USC.  Two top classes RWS, not consistent years of tradition.  

Which is why I said UF, Texas, and USC more so than Alabama. Alabama had a top 10 class in '07, '08, '09, and will have one in '10. We were close in '06 coming in at #11. Having four top 10 recruiting classes in a row is pretty consistant, and thats why I said consistant success in recruiting. I didn't say anything about consistant success, just that it has translated on the field. For those four teams, it has translated on the field in some way, shape, or form. Please be for reading what I type. So far, even though it has only been recent success in recruiting for the past few years, it has translated on the field already for Alabama. Counting the 2002 class through the 2010 class, here is how many top 10 classes each school I just listed have had:

USC - 8
UF - 7
UT - 5
UA - 4

Just to throw it in there, AU has had 4 top 10 classes as well during the same time span. The '03 class came close coming in at #11 as well.

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

Which is why I said UF, Texas, and USC more so than Alabama. Alabama had a top 10 class in '07, '08, '09, and will have one in '10. We were close in '06 coming in at #11. Having four top 10 recruiting classes in a row is pretty consistant, and thats why I said consistant success in recruiting. I didn't say anything about consistant success, just that it has translated on the field.

I had already taken the post down.  Anyway, I took your comparison as a stretch.   You pointing out that you acknowledge that it's nothing like UF, Texas and USC was good enough for me.  Otherwise I have no problem with what you're saying. 

[RWS]

I had already taken the post down.  Anyway, I took your comparison as a stretch.   You pointing out that you acknowledge that it's nothing like UF, Texas and USC was good enough for me.  Otherwise I have no problem with what you're saying. 

Yes, nothing like the success those three teams have enjoyed over the past years. However, the success in recruiting has translated on the field for Alabama already, just not enough time has passed to say consistant success on the field.

[jadennis]

You're just looking for something to be a little bitch about. Like I said, AU is seeing some success in recruiting right now. You would have to be an idiot to argue otherwise. However, Alabama is still bringing in talent. Its not like the 2008 class when Alabama totally choked off AU. As long as Alabama is bringing in talent, and if AU happens to be doing the same, then I'm fine with that.

Part two of my post should be fairly obvious. Signing some talent is just step 1. AU is knocking that out of the park right now. Step 2 is putting them into your program, and getting a result on the field. Look at the recruiting rankings over the past few years. For the 2007 class, Tennessee was ranked #3, LSU #4, South Carolina #6, Notre Dame #8, UGA #9. The 2008 classes? Notre Dame #2 (as Prowler will quickly point out, they were #1 after you take out non-qualifiers), UGA #7, Michigan #10. Even though the 2009 class would probably have the least impact on a team out of the other classes listed, LSU #2, UGA #6, FSU #7, Michigan #8, Tennessee #10. How exactly has that translated for those schools?

It comes down to evaluation and coaching. A bunch of guessing. Many teams have proven that just because they can sign them, it doesn't mean they can do anything with them. Its still to early to pass judgement on whether or not they work out after they get on campus. Thats the way it is at any school. But if you can get them on campus, thats half the battle.

As irritating as you are, all of the above is exactly true.  

I'm excited about this Auburn recruiting class....but it's in the context of "recruiting", and that's all.  There are different battles fought by programs year round.  There are battles on the field (conference games, rivalries, etc), keeping your program clean, keeping a quality image, etc.  

Recruiting is one of the many battles fought by a program.  You compete with other competition to see how well you do in the recruiting battle.  It's not done in a vacuum, it is just as head-to-head as any other battle fought in football.  It's a different type of competition than is fought on the field, but just as real and just as fiercely fought.  The coaches get out there and compete with each other, head to head, and all at the same time.

All that being said, I can be really excited about how we've competed in recruiting.  We are among the most successful in the nation at it as of right now.  That is something to be excited about.  There was a battle being fought, and our guys showed up and got the job done and didn't get pushed around by anyone.

However, just like RWS points out....it is ONLY what it is...nothing more.  We may have helped ourselves in future battles on the field, but as of right now, battles on the field are a separate issue.  We've won nothing.  

So everyone should be excited.  But be excited for what it is (victory in recruiting)....not what it could be (victory on the field)....because the "could" is very real....just ask Tennessee, Florida State, LSU, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc.

[Kaos]

Just for the record?

A couple of you are making arguments today that are diametrically opposed to the position you vehemently espoused a year or two ago. Your John Kerry flip flops make it easy (and justified) for bama fans to mock us. There are not words for how deeply I loathe that.

Second, bama recruitig played virtually no part in their 2008 success and had only minimal impact on this team

Third, AU ranked ahead of UA in the recruiting rankings most seasons prior to 2008.

Fourth, 2007 was a fucked up recruiting year for everybody.

[Saniflush]

Just for the record?

A couple of you are making arguments today that are diametrically opposed to the position you vehemently espoused a year or two ago. Your John Kerry flip flops make it easy (and justified) for bama fans to mock us. There are not words for how deeply I loathe that.

Second, bama recruitig played virtually no part in their 2008 success and had only minimal impact on this team

Third, AU ranked ahead of UA in the recruiting rankings most seasons prior to 2008.

Fourth, 2007 was a fucked up recruiting year for everybody.

fifth - UA still sucs ass

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

Second, bama recruitig played virtually no part in their 2008 success and had only minimal impact on this team 

Huh?  Please to be splainin'?

[Birmingham]

Just for the record?

A couple of you are making arguments today that are diametrically opposed to the position you vehemently espoused a year or two ago. Your John Kerry flip flops make it easy (and justified) for bama fans to mock us. There are not words for how deeply I loathe that.

Second, bama recruitig played virtually no part in their 2008 success and had only minimal impact on this team

Third, AU ranked ahead of UA in the recruiting rankings most seasons prior to 2008.

Fourth, 2007 was a phuked up recruiting year for everybody.

Great post by Kaos.  I didn't want to have a problem with this statement and I get what he's saying since most of our key roles were filled by either upper classman or Trent Richardson but there certainly was notable players from the 2008 class that were a big part of us winning the National Championship.

Julio Jones -You don't have 2 running backs with that much success without Julio continuing to contribute on plays where he doesn't get the ball.  Great physical player.

Mark Barron -He was an improvement on our All-American Safety that went pro.

Mark Ingram -He's the poor man's Ben Tate.  Oh yeah, he also rushed for more yards than anyone in Alabama history.  Was the MVP of the National Championship and won the Heisman trophy.

Terrence Cody -Didn't provide much pass rush but was a huge part of our defense.  Also should be noted that without him against TN there isn't a crystal football making a national tour of all the Dairy Dips.

Jerrell Harris -has a spider solitaire time 56 sec.  really unheard of

Marcel Dareus -big part of D - Sweet feet in National Championship game, a play he'll remember forever.

obviously many more contributed, this was just off the top of my head.

[Kaos]

Great post by Kaos.  I didn't want to have a problem with this statement and I get what he's saying since most of our key roles were filled by either upper classman or Trent Richardson but there certainly was notable players from the 2008 class that were a big part of us winning the National Championship.

That about sums it up.  Most of the key roles were upper classmen. 


Julio wasn't shit.  Ingram was vastly overrated, you could plug any fuck in that slot and have the same kind of stats (as you'll see next season).  Cody is a fat overrated fuck. 

Some impact, yeah, but it wasn't recruiting (yet) that had the biggest impact on Bama's success.

[Mr. Sensible]

Some impact, yeah, but it wasn't recruiting (yet) that had the biggest impact on Bama's success.

It was coaching.

By the way, Julio Jones sucks.

[Kaos]

It was coaching.

By the way, Julio Jones sucks.

As much as it makes me  ...

Saban's single-minded asshole focus is what turned the trick for Bama.  After the parade of "good guys" who came through there after Stallings, his pissed at the world mentality, his General Sherman through Atlanta focus was what the program needed. 

I do find it amusing that only when led by certified ASSHOLES does that program find success.  Bryant was a complete motherfucker and a total hardass asshole.  Stallings, and I can vouch for this personally, was nothing like his grandfatherly demeanor when he was on the field.  He was a mean ass, cruel son-of-a-bitch who wasn't above trading on precious little Johnny's mental deficiencies to make a point. 

Bama needs bastard at the helm to succeed. 

That said, the ray of hope for me is that bastards generally don't succeed over the long haul.  There's only so long that people will tolerate being an asshole. That tolerance is completely dependent on winning. Right now, it's okay for Saban to be an asshole.  But when the record's 9-3 and one of the three is a loss to Auburn, that prickly personality is going to piss off supporters, not just fans. 

[Mr. Sensible]

As much as it makes me  ...

Saban's single-minded asshole focus is what turned the trick for Bama.  After the parade of "good guys" who came through there after Stallings, his pissed at the world mentality, his General Sherman through Atlanta focus was what the program needed. 

I do find it amusing that only when led by certified ASSHOLES does that program find success.  Bryant was a complete motherfucker and a total hardass asshole.  Stallings, and I can vouch for this personally, was nothing like his grandfatherly demeanor when he was on the field.  He was a mean ass, cruel son-of-a-bitch who wasn't above trading on precious little Johnny's mental deficiencies to make a point. 

Bama needs bastard at the helm to succeed. 

That said, the ray of hope for me is that bastards generally don't succeed over the long haul.  There's only so long that people will tolerate being an asshole. That tolerance is completely dependent on winning. Right now, it's okay for Saban to be an asshole.  But when the record's 9-3 and one of the three is a loss to Auburn, that prickly personality is going to piss off supporters, not just fans. 

Do assholes succeed at Auburn?