Cowherd = JAUD

[jadennis]

How in the hell can Tennessee to USC be a lateral move? phuk all of this technicality. In the past decade, USC has absolutely been a powerhouse, and a media darling. It recruits itself. How are you seriously going to compare living in Knoxville to living in LA? I can't think of one thing at all that makes UT a better vehicle than USC, or makes them even. Its all about what have you done for me lately. USC has won two NCs in the past 9 years. They are consistantly in the national spotlight, year after year. Kiffin upgraded in every way, shape, or form. 

EA was talking strictly on paper, historically.  I don't think most would argue anything you just wrote as far as current power and perception.

And I completely agree too, which is why, as much as a doofus as Kiffin is, I can't honestly say I blame him for leaving Tennessee after one year in order to take over one of the three best jobs going right now (USC, Texas, Florida).  I don't think there is much of a debate on that.

[RWS]

EA was talking strictly on paper, historically.  I don't think most would argue anything you just wrote as far as current power and perception.

And I completely agree too, which is why, as much as a doofus as Kiffin is, I can't honestly say I blame him for leaving Tennessee after one year in order to take over one of the three best jobs going right now (USC, Texas, Florida).  I don't think there is much of a debate on that.

If the NCAA weren't bearing down on USC as they are right now, I could totally agree here. I agree with you in principle that yes, USC is from top to bottom a better program to coach at in a normal world. Right now, the NCAA is looking at them both. That kind of balances things a little, but I would rather be in Cali than Tennessee. It would be easier for USC to recover from any kind of sanctions as well.

[jmar]

And Alabama. If Saban leaves now they win 20 over two seasons with Mike Shula.

[eagleair89]

That all may be true, but he's the highest rated thing they have from what I've read. That's why they keep extending his deal and putting him on TV. He moves the needle.

thus my comment on the unbelievable number of gullible dumbasses in the world today.

WAR EAGLE
 

[jmar]

Maybe Simon Cowell headed up the USC search.

[Kaos]

If the NCAA weren't bearing down on USC as they are right now, I could totally agree here.

You just keep throwing rocks from your glass house. 

[jmar]

And who says the deal wasn't done knowing beforehand that any infractions might be softened or many ignored altogether. This thing is becoming an invention of the corporate forces. USC under investigation still makes Kiffen a perceived rock star.

[Kaos]

And who says the deal wasn't done knowing beforehand that any infractions might be softened or many ignored altogether. This thing is becoming an invention of the corporate forces. USC under investigation still makes Kiffen a perceived rock star.

Shelly "I just pulled a Pete Carroll bobblehead doll out of my dripping red snatch" Smith said the NCAA stuff was nothing and that if there really was anything, USC was so virtuous they would have shut down the football program. So there's nothing there. Nothing to see. Just a big bunch of silliness.  Then she stuck the Pete bobble in her mouth and licked off the juices.

[jadennis]

 

[jmar]

I never said it was silliness, just that things can be lost or ignored.with a purpose. WWNN!

[AUChizad]

USC has won two NCs in the past 9 years. They are consistantly in the national spotlight, year after year.

So what you're saying is Saban has never won a MNC until this year?

I know I'm the minority opinion, but USC is over-fucking-rated. They, like Auburn from 04-08 have been on the decline since that same period. Although not as magnified due to the level of competition.

2004 - 13-0 MNC
2005 - 12-1 #2
2006 - 11-2 #4
2007 - 11-2 #3 (including a loss to Stanford)
2008 - 12-1 loss to Oregon State (slight improvement)
2009 - 9-4 (with embarassing losses to Washington, Stanford again, and Arizona)

They're on their way down, in my opinion, without the NCAA's involvement. Almost certainly when you factor that in.

[ssgaufan]

The overall landscape of college football has changed to the point that no one team will dominate an entire decade.  All of the mighty will fall.  We just get the added pleasure of watching the NCAA help USC fall a little harder.

[jmar]

The overall landscape of college football has changed to the point that no one team will dominate an entire decade.  All of the mighty will fall.  We just get the added pleasure of watching the NCAA help USC fall a little harder.

Or cushion the blow aided by ESPN and other forces in a dark room.

[jadennis]

So what you're saying is Saban has never won a MNC until this year?

I know I'm the minority opinion, but USC is over-phuking-rated. They, like Auburn from 04-08 have been on the decline since that same period. Although not as magnified due to the level of competition.

2004 - 13-0 MNC
2005 - 12-1 #2
2006 - 11-2 #4
2007 - 11-2 #3 (including a loss to Stanford)
2008 - 12-1 loss to Oregon State (slight improvement)
2009 - 9-4 (with embarassing losses to Washington, Stanford again, and Arizona)

They're on their way down, in my opinion, without the NCAA's involvement. Almost certainly when you factor that in.

Without getting into the overrated aspect, I don't know that this year was a sign that they were so "down" as much as it was a sign that they just got hit with too many things at one time.  

Last years defense has 9, literally 9 players on NFL rosters this year, several of which start in the NFL.  They also had their QB (Sanchez)  leave a year earlier than expected, which left them with starting a freshman.  On top of that, they lost their offensive coordinator, who also took their defensive coordinator with him.  So they lost an entire defense, their QB, and both coordinators.

That's just too much for one year no matter who you are.  Oklahoma lost their QB and their tight end and they went 7-6.  Imagine if McCoy had left Texas, 10 defensive starters form last year left, Greg Davis retired, and Will Muschamp took another job.  I'm not sure Texas could have gone 9-4 after all that.

We'll never really know now that Carroll is gone, but judging by their recruiting, I would say they would have bounced back next year...at least back to the 11-2 range.  And by the time Barkley is a junior and senior, they could have been back in the 13-0 or 12-1 range.

And don't lose sight of how nit picky it is to say they were slipping because they were losing 2 games per year.  From 2003 t0 2004 they had extremely uncommon talent and went 37-2 over those three years.  But the next three years they were 34-5....so yeah, a little drop, but from 2 losses in 3 years to 5 losses in 3 years...that is still the best record during that time, just slightly less dominant.  I'm not sure I would call that "slipping" really.

[jmar]

Glad you are taking the minority viewpoint. The perception and opinion which is mostly what we have is that USC was rebuilding. Everyone likes to take shots at them. They thrive on it. But you have to give them credit, and even when they drop a couple, the perception is they are the ones to beat. With Kiffen USC will just be easier to despise.

[AUChizad]

And don't lose sight of how nit picky it is to say they were slipping because they were losing 2 games per year.  From 2003 t0 2004 they had extremely uncommon talent and went 37-2 over those three years.  But the next three years they were 34-5....so yeah, a little drop, but from 2 losses in 3 years to 5 losses in 3 years...that is still the best record during that time, just slightly less dominant.  I'm not sure I would call that "slipping" really.

I maintain that playing in the Weak 10, if you're as great a team as they're billed as, you run the table every year. You never lose to Washington, or Stanford, etc. You only should have to get up for maybe 2 or 3 big games a year. Oregon was the only team of worth they played this year, and they got their assholes blown out. They squeaked by Ohio State, but they turned out to be a shit sandwich of a team. Notre Dame has been terrible for a while now too, and in the season that they finally said enough is enough with Weis, they barely squeaked past them as well.

They would be a mid-tier SEC team. Yeah, they were badass in the years we played them, and we were...not so much. But put them in the SEC these last 4 years, and they go 7-5, 8-4ish average.

[Mr. Sensible]

Cowherd just said if USC gets a postseason or TV ban for any amount of time, he's cutting the college football talk in half on his show.

 

[Mr. Sensible]

Cowherd: "The NCAA needs other schools more than other schools. You get that, right?"

 

[jadennis]

Cowherd: "The NCAA needs other schools more than other schools. You get that, right?"

 

You know, people always say stuff like that..."college football is better when Notre Dame (Ohio State, Nebraska, Miami, etc) is good".

I say that's BS.  I mean, sure, if all the traditional powers sucked, that would hurt the game, but just because Notre Dame or USC or Texas or Michigan are down, it doesn't slow down the machine.  College football has been at a peak in the last 10 years.  During that time, (overall) Notre Dame has been down, Nebraska has been down, FSU has been mediocre, Miami has been up and down, Michigan has been down the last few years, Washington, once a national player, has all but disappeared.  

But only their fans miss them.  The rest of us have plenty of good, historical match ups to enjoy.  So what if Oklahoma vs Nebraska isn't the game of the century.  There is still Oklahoma vs Texas.  So what if Ohio State vs Michigan wasn't #1 vs #2 the last couple years.  Ohio State still played Penn State and USC.  Even when Alabama disappeared...Auburn vs LSU took the spot light and hosted College Gameday a couple times.

If USC disappeared for the next few years....who gives a poop other than USC fans?  Oregon will take over for the Pac 10, and teams like Stanford, Oregon State, and Cal will continue to stay relevant.  

It reminds me of something else....if Cowherd's show disappeared tomorrow...no one would give a poop about that either.

[GH2001]

 
It reminds me of something else....if Cowherd's show disappeared tomorrow...no one would give a poop about that either.

THIS....

Although that hottie on his TV show is enjoyable to watch. Michelle Beadle I think is her name. Whew doggie....