Cowherd = JAUD

[RWS]

Kiffin is on The Herd right now, and just said that he left UT in better shape than he found it, roster-wise, and discipline-wise. 

[Mr. Sensible]

Kiffin is on The Herd right now, and just said that he left UT in better shape than he found it, roster-wise, and discipline-wise. 

Well, he did kick off that one guy...

[jadennis]

Interesting list.  

Oregon was 87-38 for the decade, finished in the top 10 three times, top 15 five times, and finished ranked 6 times.

They were 4-5 in bowls.   I'm wondering why they were ranked so high in this list (#9)?

Auburn was #15 with a 88-39 record, finished in the top 10 two times, top 15 five times, and finished ranked 6 times.

But Auburn was 5-3 in bowls.

[Token]

Kiffin is on The Herd right now, and just said that he left UT in better shape than he found it, roster-wise, and discipline-wise. 

He said all of that in his presser last night.  Said they only had 1 arrest, the team GPA was the highest EVER, and his first recruiting class brought in more bluechips than Tennessee had when he arrived.  Also said the only reason the fans were pissed and running after him was because he and his coaching staff had improved the University so much in 14 months that they didn't want him to leave.  

He said that shit without cracking a smile....because he fucking believes it.

[CCTAU]

How many of USC's MNCs came against a southern opponent? The closest they got was Texas, and lost?

[jmar]

That error is my own. Tirebiter didn't break down but the top 10. It is a computer model that awards extra for titles, strength of schedule and then overall by winning percentage. Sorry guys, I'm not a stats guru, just found it interesting is all. The SN site is sterile and stuffy but there are some stong elements to it as well and Tirebiter is seen as the go to guy for college football. knightswhosay is another stats guy, LSU grad and atty also. Like our jadennis, it's hard to argue with them. I'm thinking of joining the Ed Orgeron fan club because New Braunfels sold me on the guy, a wonderful human being and Lane Kiffin enforcer.

[RWS]

He said that shit without cracking a smile....because he fucking believes it.

I think this is what confuses me most about Kiffin. On a serious level, something is wrong with him. I literally think he is fucked up in the head. If it wasn't for dear old dad, I don't think he would be a head coach. I remember a few times during the season when something was going on, his dad would be talking to the refs or something and he would stand 10 yards away just staring off into space. When they had the headset malfunction in Tuscaloosa, Monte was dealing with the refs and everything, and Lane was just standing somewhere else with that Shula look.

Kiffin just went from the pot to the frying pan, and he's too stupid to even realize it. How do you think it will look to the NCAA Infractions Committee when USC goes before them in February? I mean, what is USC going to say? "Yeah, we're making a commitment to running a clean program, so we've hired Lane Kiffin." If anything, Kiffin has probably guaranteed USC at least 3 more years of NCAA problems down the road.

[eagleair89]

 But....was he wrong?  Didn't Kiffin trade up?  Even if just by a little....didn't he take over a program that is historically in front of Tennessee,

wrong......UT is ahead of USC in all time wins........and the stadium is larger and the support/fan base probably about equal.  UT draws from a quite large geographical base.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_football_win-loss_records

And in my opinion, UT's bowl history is a bit more impressive despite USC's 31-15 record.....USC has spent most of their time playing, essentially a home game in the Rose Bowl, with no appearances in the Sugar or Cotton and only two Orange bowl appearances.  UT has been to all the big ones, multiple times.

And USC has had down times also.......check the 80's and 90's.

Granted for Kiffen, he is probably more comfortable in LA.....but the programs are essentially equal and I would give the nod to UT over-all based upon conference affiliation. (ie check how many PAC-10 teams are on the all time win list, then check the SEC. Plus losing to ND does not knock one out of the Rose Bowl......losing to uat/AU/UF knocks one out of the Sugar AND the MNC picture)

In the overall scope of college football history.....it is a lateral move......

WAR EAGLE

[Mr. Sensible]

I think this is what confuses me most about Kiffin. On a serious level, something is wrong with him. I literally think he is fucked up in the head. If it wasn't for dear old dad, I don't think he would be a head coach. I remember a few times during the season when something was going on, his dad would be talking to the refs or something and he would stand 10 yards away just staring off into space. When they had the headset malfunction in Tuscaloosa, Monte was dealing with the refs and everything, and Lane was just standing somewhere else with that Shula look.

Kiffin just went from the pot to the frying pan, and he's too stupid to even realize it.

Two words Mike Shula

[RWS]

Two words Mike Shula

I understand that, but hell, Kiffin was already a coach somewhere, and it wasn't a horrible gig in the first place. And to boot, Kiffin has already shown his colors. When Alabama hired Shula, at least you could argue that there was potential there. My point is, they could have hired a better Shula.

[Mr. Sensible]

I understand that, but hell, Kiffin was already a coach somewhere, and it wasn't a horrible gig in the first place. And to boot, Kiffin has already shown his colors. When Alabama hired Shula, at least you could argue that there was potential there. My point is, they could have hired a better Shula.

Honestly, the next coach they hire probably is their Shula. The SEC is one and half teams for the next few years.

[jmar]

Alabama was 79-48 for the decade, which is pretty amazing considering they were 53-46 through the first 8 years.

Jmar, you also left off Texas' 1 national title, which makes for 11 titles in the decade, but that's because of the LSU/USC split in 2003.  Maybe those two teams have 1.5 national titles in the decade.

I rest my case! He's right, I'm seasick from bouncing around in the back of a tractor trailer, but he is spot on.

[AUTiger1]

wrong......UT is ahead of USC in all time wins........and the stadium is larger and the support/fan base probably about equal.  UT draws from a quite large geographical base.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_football_win-loss_records

And in my opinion, UT's bowl history is a bit more impressive despite USC's 31-15 record.....USC has spent most of their time playing, essentially a home game in the Rose Bowl, with no appearances in the Sugar or Cotton and only two Orange bowl appearances.  UT has been to all the big ones, multiple times.

And USC has had down times also.......check the 80's and 90's.

Granted for Kiffen, he is probably more comfortable in LA.....but the programs are essentially equal and I would give the nod to UT over-all based upon conference affiliation.

In the overall scope of college football history.....it is a lateral move......

WAR EAGLE

The only way I see it being a step up is that USC is the "hotter" program right now, with a lot more media coverage.  USC is talked about by the talking heads on ESPN, FSN, CNNSI a lot more than UT.  On a personal level, or at least what I think, taking my "dream job" (no matter how similar and even for a little less $$$) would make it a step up in my own mind.  Of course, who knows what in the hell Kiffin is thinking.

[eagleair89]

The only way I see it being a step up is that USC is the "hotter" program right now, with a lot more media coverage.  USC is talked about by the talking heads on ESPN, FSN, CNNSI a lot more than UT.  On a personal level, or ate least what I think, taking my "dream job" (no matter how similar and even for a little less $$$) would make it a step up in my own mind.  Of course, who knows what in the hell Kiffin is thinking.

have no problem with "hotter" right now, I would agree (well until the NCAA castrates them)......but I do have a problem with better historically (which is the only part of jd's post that I quoted)

And I agree that it is a step up FOR Kiffen.....but lateral for just about any other college HC out there

WAR EAGLE.

ps: and Cowpoop is a douche of the First Order.....how in the hell there are enough dumbasses in the world that that guy can get and keep a job is beyond me.......a total moron.

[Mr. Sensible]

ps: and Cowpoop is a douche of the First Order.....how in the hell there are enough dumbasses in the world that that guy can get and keep a job is beyond me.......a total moron.

That all may be true, but he's the highest rated thing they have from what I've read. That's why they keep extending his deal and putting him on TV. He moves the needle.

[jmar]

The sight I listed above has Michigan as the all time leader in wins.

Southern California is in the constant spotlight, the Big Gig. I'm here now. It's foreign for most I understand.
You get noticed here for wearing different socks by the media.

[jadennis]

wrong......UT is ahead of USC in all time wins........and the stadium is larger and the support/fan base probably about equal.  UT draws from a quite large geographical base.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_football_win-loss_records

And in my opinion, UT's bowl history is a bit more impressive despite USC's 31-15 record.....USC has spent most of their time playing, essentially a home game in the Rose Bowl, with no appearances in the Sugar or Cotton and only two Orange bowl appearances.  UT has been to all the big ones, multiple times.

And USC has had down times also.......check the 80's and 90's.

Granted for Kiffen, he is probably more comfortable in LA.....but the programs are essentially equal and I would give the nod to UT over-all based upon conference affiliation. (ie check how many PAC-10 teams are on the all time win list, then check the SEC. Plus losing to ND does not knock one out of the Rose Bowl......losing to uat/AU/UF knocks one out of the Sugar AND the MNC picture)

In the overall scope of college football history.....it is a lateral move......

WAR EAGLE

I should have emphasized the last decade more as far as being a better job.  And the conference affiliation is kind of a tricky thing....sure the SEC is the best, but that only means winning here is harder.  I would think the better "job" is having one of the historically top programs, but having it in a place where it's easier to win right now.

As for historical comparison....they are pretty close, but USC has the higher winning % (not by much, just as Tennessee has a few more actual wins).

But USC also has 10 recognized national titles, 5 in the AP poll. 
Tennessee has 4 recognized national titles, 2 in the AP poll.

USC has appeared in 689 AP polls, the 4th most all-time.
Tennessee has appeared in 564 AP polls, 10th all-time. (Auburn is 13th with 480).

USC has appeared in the Top 5 of the AP poll 273 times, 5th all-time.
Tennessee has appeared in the Top 5 of the AP poll 122 times, 13th all-time. (Auburn is 15th all-time with 107).

USC has spent 90 weeks at #1, which is 4th all-time.
Tennessee has spent 18 weeks at #1, which is 18th all-time.

USC is 32-16 in bowls (48 total).
Tennessee is 25-23 in bowls (48 total).

To me, an SEC fan, I view them as pretty damn close, because, like you said, consider who they've played, conference affiliation, bowl opponents, support, etc.  But even so, historically, and definitely now (which I know you weren't disagreeing with), I still think USC is just slightly ahead.

[jmar]

Well surely many of us think that Auburn is better than most jobs, but the perception among the rest of the country is different. USC players rub elbows with celebs occaisonally, there are the Lakers, Dodgers et al. Only New York compares.

[RWS]

How in the hell can Tennessee to USC be a lateral move? Fuck all of this technicality. In the past decade, USC has absolutely been a powerhouse, and a media darling. It recruits itself. How are you seriously going to compare living in Knoxville to living in LA? I can't think of one thing at all that makes UT a better vehicle than USC, or makes them even. Its all about what have you done for me lately. USC has won two NCs in the past 9 years. They are consistantly in the national spotlight, year after year. Kiffin upgraded in every way, shape, or form. 

[jmar]

No argument here!