Heisman Trophy Battle

Ogre · « **on:** December 07, 2009, 11:18:33 AM »

This website has correctly predicted the Heisman Trophy winner for the past seven years:

http://www.stiffarmtrophy.com/

Currently, they have it between Gerhart and Suh, with Ingram trailing in 3rd. What I've found interesting is that based on the ballots they know about, Suh has a commanding lead with 20 1st place votes (as of 1:22 this morning). They are still projecting Gerhart to win out.

jadennis · « **Reply #1 on:** December 07, 2009, 11:30:20 AM »

Interesting. I wonder if Ingram being a sophomore is affecting some voters. I know Tebow got it as a Sophomore, but maybe voters are still only willing to do that on "out of this world" performances like Tebow had. Ingram's season has been great, especially since it's for the #1 team, but maybe people need to see 2000+ yards from a sophomore, or 50 TDs or something crazy.

Ogre · « **Reply #2 on:** December 07, 2009, 11:40:37 AM »

Quote from: jadennis on December 07, 2009, 11:30:20 AM

Interesting. I wonder if Ingram being a sophomore is affecting some voters. I know Tebow got it as a Sophomore, but maybe voters are still only willing to do that on "out of this world" performances like Tebow had. Ingram's season has been great, especially since it's for the #1 team, but maybe people need to see 2000+ yards from a sophomore, or 50 TDs or something crazy.

Sam Bradford won it as a Sophomore last year.

RWS · « **Reply #3 on:** December 07, 2009, 11:43:07 AM »

Quote from: Ogre on December 07, 2009, 11:40:37 AM

Sam Bradford won it as a Sophomore last year.

Easy for a QB. Not so easy for a RB. Ingram certainly deserves to be in the top 2-3, but I'm not 100% certain that he is the very best candidate.

AUChizad · « **Reply #4 on:** December 07, 2009, 11:55:53 AM »

Quote from: RWS on December 07, 2009, 11:43:07 AM

Easy for a QB. Not so easy for a RB. Ingram certainly deserves to be in the top 2-3, but I'm not 100% certain that he is the very best candidate.

When

says this, you know he's not Heisman worthy.

jadennis · « **Reply #5 on:** December 07, 2009, 11:57:33 AM »

Quote from: Ogre on December 07, 2009, 11:40:37 AM

Sam Bradford won it as a Sophomore last year.

Oh yeah, forgot about him, outta sight outta mind I guess. Points still the same though....he got it with 4,700 yards passing and 50 TDs to 8 pics and led the nation in passer rating too...."out of this world" type season.

Mr. Sensible · « **Reply #6 on:** December 07, 2009, 01:18:04 PM »

Gerhart or Suh should win it but won't because the voters/networks are obsessed with these mythical comparisons about how players would perform in different leagues. First, you play who you play and if you dominate, so be it. Second, these mythical comparisons of stats are ridiculous because some of the best players on the next level didn't play in the SEC or Big XII, etc.

The Heisman is hollow. Period.

Kaos · « **Reply #7 on:** December 07, 2009, 01:20:35 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Sensible on December 07, 2009, 01:18:04 PM

The Heisman is hollow. Period.

I saw Bo Jackson's one time. I knocked on it. It seemed pretty solid to me. I'm really disappointed if it's hollow.

Mr. Sensible · « **Reply #8 on:** December 07, 2009, 01:25:36 PM »

RWS · « **Reply #9 on:** December 07, 2009, 01:29:09 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Sensible on December 07, 2009, 01:18:04 PM

The Heisman is hollow. Period.

I can't help but think that your opinion might differ if Ben Tate or Chris Todd were one of the frontrunners.

Kaos · « **Reply #10 on:** December 07, 2009, 01:30:52 PM »

Quote from: RWS on December 07, 2009, 01:29:09 PM

I can't help but think that your opinion might differ if Ben Tate or Chris Todd were one of the frontrunners.

We already have two from the days when the Heisman meant something. Why do we need more? The last one that really lived up to his potential was Barry Sanders.

Mr. Sensible · « **Reply #11 on:** December 07, 2009, 01:33:10 PM »

Quote from: RWS on December 07, 2009, 01:29:09 PM

I can't help but think that your opinion might differ if Ben Tate or Chris Todd were one of the frontrunners.

Wrong again! Do you even watch football?

Mark Ingram is the best back in the SEC and a deserving candidate. I'm simply stating an opinion about who I think should win it.

Chris Todd doesn't deserve shit. Neither does Ben Tate. They didn't earn it. Period.

Ogre · « **Reply #12 on:** December 07, 2009, 01:40:13 PM »

They have updated their predictions. They now have Suh and Gerhart in a dead heat, with Ingram trailing by a hair. Should be a close race.

AuburnChopper 3.0 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 07, 2009, 01:52:34 PM »

Quote from: RWS on December 07, 2009, 01:29:09 PM

I can't help but think that your opinion might differ if Ben Tate or Chris Todd were one of the frontrunners.

This is just a dumb argument. I understand it's just you doing a Auburn, Alabama blah blah blah...

However, I could also make the point that IFFF (They have no business being in the discussion...just using the example here...) Todd, or Tate HAD been eligible, it would have been for the exact purpose the Heisman is meant for. That's to recognize the best player in college football this season, and not one of the better players on a very popular media darling. So your comparison is actually kind of lamo here.

I'd be voting for Suh. He single handedly hamstrung Texas all night the other night because of his personal dominance. That's a game changer and a REAL candidate.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #14 on:** December 07, 2009, 01:57:04 PM »

I saw that Longdukdong Suh fellow in 3 games this year. It's been a loooong time since i've seen a defensive lineman who is absolutely unblockable. There is no stopping the guy and if you go near him, he's going to hurt you. I'm actually pulling for him.

AuburnChopper 3.0 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 07, 2009, 02:08:31 PM »

Quote from: Harvey Birdman on December 07, 2009, 01:57:04 PM

I saw that Longdukdong Suh fellow in 3 games this year. It's been a loooong time since i've seen a defensive lineman who is absolutely unblockable. There is no stopping the guy and if you go near him, he's going to hurt you. I'm actually pulling for him.

McCoy was hearing.. "What'sa happenin' hot stuffff?..." All night...

ibelonginprison · « **Reply #16 on:** December 07, 2009, 02:15:06 PM »

Bradford was a fucking machine when he won it. Got the big H curse in the NC game, but regular season that guy was unreal.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #17 on:** December 07, 2009, 02:29:35 PM »

Quote from: AuburnChopper on December 07, 2009, 02:08:31 PM

McCoy was hearing.. "What'sa happenin' hot stuffff?..." All night...

He's wearing a check shirt and striped pants....What? No, he's not retarded.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 07, 2009, 02:36:44 PM »

Quote from: AuburnChopper on December 07, 2009, 02:08:31 PM

McCoy was hearing.. "What'sa happenin' hot stuffff?..." All night...

So he made Colt his new American-style girlfriend?

That's hot.

jadennis · « **Reply #19 on:** December 07, 2009, 03:13:33 PM »

Quote from: Harvey Birdman on December 07, 2009, 01:57:04 PM

I saw that Longdukdong Suh fellow in 3 games this year.
Ditto
It's been a loooong time since i've seen a defensive lineman who is absolutely unblockable.
Ditto
There is no stopping the guy and if you go near him, he's going to hurt you.
Ditto
I'm actually pulling for him.
annnnd ditto