Coach Chizik gets it....

[GH2001]

I would say the fact that CTT was there for 10 years makes his season more tragic because he had complete control over it. 

Down years I can understand and even expect.  Total disasters I do not.  Not when you are being compensated in such a way to supposedly prevent that.

I could even get past the recruiting being off if he had been willing to shake the staff up. I really really did not like Nall or Knox. Ensminger - I dont even want to go there.

[RWS]

I would say the fact that CTT was there for 10 years makes his season more tragic because he had complete control over it. 

Down years I can understand and even expect.  Total disasters I do not.  Not when you are being compensated in such a way to supposedly prevent that.

Bottom line is, CTT fucked up in hiring Franklin, and the administration has had an itchy finger for him for 4 years. He probably didn't know it at the time. If you look at the same gaudy stats that some of you did when you shit your pants in glee over his hire, how are you going to argue with what Franklin was doing? At Troy, no less. You can't blame the guy for taking a chance, especially with the amount of bitching fans have done over the years about being conservative on offense, etc. He hired a wide open guy. Things went South, and at least he recognized it wasn't going to work out over the long run, and tried to un-fuck it by firing Franklin, as he should have. I think it would have been more alarming to let Franklin stay another year or so to try and get things worked out.

Who is to say that CTT wouldn't have hired somebody like Malzahn at the end of 2008? The foundation was already laid out for the system, and some of the right players were there. I just think its terrible of the administration that CTT gave them 10 pretty good years, and the first fuckup (which he identified and tried desperately to un-fuck), he's out the door.

[Tiger Wench]

I personally don't give a damn if he never opens his mouth again to anyone but players and recruits.

TW we are much better if he does just as you request. Of course he does need to let someone talk to the recruits though.

Reading is fundamental, Greaseball.

[Kaos]

Bottom line is, CTT phuked up in hiring Franklin, and the administration has had an itchy finger for him for 4 years. He probably didn't know it at the time. If you look at the same gaudy stats that some of you did when you poop your pants in glee over his hire, how are you going to argue with what Franklin was doing? At Troy, no less. You can't blame the guy for taking a chance, especially with the amount of bitching fans have done over the years about being conservative on offense, etc. He hired a wide open guy. Things went South, and at least he recognized it wasn't going to work out over the long run, and tried to un-phuk it by firing Franklin, as he should have. I think it would have been more alarming to let Franklin stay another year or so to try and get things worked out.

Who is to say that CTT wouldn't have hired somebody like Malzahn at the end of 2008? The foundation was already laid out for the system, and some of the right players were there. I just think its terrible of the administration that CTT gave them 10 pretty good years, and the first phukup (which he identified and tried desperately to un-phuk), he's out the door.

Administration I get.  Jacobs is a fool.  

Fans?  Not so much.  It pisses me off to no end to watch our fans bash on Tuberville now and trash his legacy.  We put Pat Dye's name on the fucking stadium.  Tuberville deserves better than the "he was lazy, couldn't recruit, fucked Auburn over" bullshit our people are giving him.  

Watching idiots tear him down makes me, for the first time in my entire life, sad to be an Auburn fan.  It's despicable how much like the hated bama so many of our fans have become.  

[Saniflush]

I haven't seen anyone here tearing him down.  I think you will be hard pressed to find ANY Auburn folks that won't say they are grateful to him for a lot of things but glossing over what appear to some as flaws the final years do not make them untrue or make them bashers of the man in general.

[dallaswareagle]

Administration I get.  Jacobs is a fool.  

Fans?  Not so much.  It pisses me off to no end to watch our fans bash on Tuberville now and trash his legacy.  We put Pat Dye's name on the fucking stadium.  Tuberville deserves better than the "he was lazy, couldn't recruit, fucked Auburn over" bullshit our people are giving him.  

Watching idiots tear him down makes me, for the first time in my entire life, sad to be an Auburn fan.  It's despicable how much like the hated bama so many of our fans have become.  

There is always going to be bashing of a coach. Some people just don’t like who is in charge, like you with CGC. I don’t think most people are tearing him down, the last three years he and his staff seem to have gotten complacent, the recruiting numbers fall at the head coaches feet.  

[Kaos]

I haven't seen anyone here tearing him down.  I think you will be hard pressed to find ANY Auburn folks that won't say they are grateful to him for a lot of things but glossing over what appear to some as flaws the final years do not make them untrue or make them bashers of the man in general.

I won't have to press hard.  It's all over here. 

[Thrilla]

I haven't seen anyone here tearing him down.  I think you will be hard pressed to find ANY Auburn folks that won't say they are grateful to him for a lot of things but glossing over what appear to some as flaws the final years do not make them untrue or make them bashers of the man in general.

You complete me.

[ibelonginprison]

Give it a couple years.  Lots of people were pissed when Dye got us on proby.

It'll fade.  I think CTT will land with his name on an entrance or something..... as long as he doesn't go to another SEC team.


Tubbs did good... I'm proud of him.  Think his recruiting was lax these last couple years, but still think he was a great coach and did a lot of good for Auburn.

[RWS]

Administration I get.  Jacobs is a fool.  

Fans?  Not so much.  It pisses me off to no end to watch our fans bash on Tuberville now and trash his legacy.  We put Pat Dye's name on the fucking stadium.  Tuberville deserves better than the "he was lazy, couldn't recruit, fucked Auburn over" bullshit our people are giving him.  

Watching idiots tear him down makes me, for the first time in my entire life, sad to be an Auburn fan.  It's despicable how much like the hated bama so many of our fans have become.  

Here is something else I don't understand. Why is it every loss is Tuberville's fault, but every win is a sign of Chizik's prowess in both coaching and recruiting? The bread and butter of this team are guys that CTT left behind. Bates would have started, period I think. That kid is pretty good that Chizik brought in. But, am I missing some folks or something? It seems as if he is the only guy that Chizik brought in who is seeing some sort of major PT as a starter?

[dallaswareagle]

Here is something else I don't understand. Why is it every loss is Tuberville's fault, but every win is a sign of Chizik's prowess in both coaching and recruiting? The bread and butter of this team are guys that CTT left behind. Bates would have started, period I think. That kid is pretty good that Chizik brought in. But, am I missing some folks or something? It seems as if he is the only guy that Chizik brought in who is seeing some sort of major PT as a starter?

We win-They lose.

[GH2001]

Here is something else I don't understand. Why is it every loss is Tuberville's fault, but every win is a sign of Chizik's prowess in both coaching and recruiting? The bread and butter of this team are guys that CTT left behind. Bates would have started, period I think. That kid is pretty good that Chizik brought in. But, am I missing some folks or something? It seems as if he is the only guy that Chizik brought in who is seeing some sort of major PT as a starter?

Mmmmm Bread and Butter, that sounds good. Maybe a little toasted. I'm hungry as hell. Nothing like real butter.

[Saniflush]

I won't have to press hard.  It's all over here. 

Proof in the pudding and all that.

I have seen much harsher criticism on here of current staff members than of Tuberville's overall tenure.

[wesfau2]

I won't have to press hard.  It's all over here. 

Humor me and press as hard as you can.

Everyone that I've seen who has laid blame for the depth issues this year (myself included) has stated that they respect the man and his accomplishments at Auburn.  Tuberville is, unless someone will stand up and contradict me, universally loved.

I love my family, too, but that doesn't stop me from calling them out when I think they have fucked up.  Tuberville and his staff clearly fucked up in the recruiting/personnel department over the final three years of their tenure.  The attrition numbers posted earlier show that...unequivocally.

The reasons are all up for debate.  We can all try and figure out why Taylor was born with female organs....there are plenty of theories on the subject, but the underlying cause (whatever it may be) does not change the fact that he's a woman.  And whatever the reason was that Tuberville had a 46% attrition rate over the last three years of his tenure does not change the fact that it happened under his watch and has resulted in a paper thin team this year.
 
All that said, I still wouldn't trade the decade that Tuberville gave Auburn for anything.  He was the right man, doing the right thing most of the time.

[AUChizad]

Humor me and press as hard as you can.

Everyone that I've seen who has laid blame for the depth issues this year (myself included) has stated that they respect the man and his accomplishments at Auburn.  Tuberville is, unless someone will stand up and contradict me, universally loved.

I love my family, too, but that doesn't stop me from calling them out when I think they have fucked up.  Tuberville and his staff clearly fucked up in the recruiting/personnel department over the final three years of their tenure.  The attrition numbers posted earlier show that...unequivocally.

The reasons are all up for debate.  We can all try and figure out why Taylor was born with female organs....there are plenty of theories on the subject, but the underlying cause (whatever it may be) does not change the fact that he's a woman.  And whatever the reason was that Tuberville had a 46% attrition rate over the last three years of his tenure does not change the fact that it happened under his watch and has resulted in a paper thin team this year.
 
All that said, I still wouldn't trade the decade that Tuberville gave Auburn for anything.  He was the right man, doing the right thing most of the time.

100% concurrence.

Especially about Taylor's vagina.

[Snaggletiger]

Taylor has a mangina?

[Saniflush]

Taylor has a mangina?

It was ever in doubt that he does?

[Kaos]

Humor me and press as hard as you can.

Everyone that I've seen who has laid blame for the depth issues this year (myself included) has stated that they respect the man and his accomplishments at Auburn.  Tuberville is, unless someone will stand up and contradict me, universally loved.

I love my family, too, but that doesn't stop me from calling them out when I think they have phuked up.  Tuberville and his staff clearly phuked up in the recruiting/personnel department over the final three years of their tenure.  The attrition numbers posted earlier show that...unequivocally.

The reasons are all up for debate.  We can all try and figure out why Taylor was born with female organs....there are plenty of theories on the subject, but the underlying cause (whatever it may be) does not change the fact that he's a woman.  And whatever the reason was that Tuberville had a 46% attrition rate over the last three years of his tenure does not change the fact that it happened under his watch and has resulted in a paper thin team this year.
 
All that said, I still wouldn't trade the decade that Tuberville gave Auburn for anything.  He was the right man, doing the right thing most of the time.

I liked your speech.  

You make the mistake of assuming your particular POV is the prevailing one, however.  

If you haven't seen people characterize Tuberville as "lazy ass" and denigrate his abilities and legacy on this board then I really can't help you.  You see what you want to see.

FWIW, you must not understand the term "unequivocally"  Because there is nothing in the attrition numbers that indicates in any way, shape or form a recruiting failure.  Attrition and recruiting are two different things.

[RWS]

Humor me and press as hard as you can.

Everyone that I've seen who has laid blame for the depth issues this year (myself included) has stated that they respect the man and his accomplishments at Auburn.  Tuberville is, unless someone will stand up and contradict me, universally loved.

I love my family, too, but that doesn't stop me from calling them out when I think they have fucked up.  Tuberville and his staff clearly fucked up in the recruiting/personnel department over the final three years of their tenure.  The attrition numbers posted earlier show that...unequivocally.

The reasons are all up for debate.  We can all try and figure out why Taylor was born with female organs....there are plenty of theories on the subject, but the underlying cause (whatever it may be) does not change the fact that he's a woman.  And whatever the reason was that Tuberville had a 46% attrition rate over the last three years of his tenure does not change the fact that it happened under his watch and has resulted in a paper thin team this year.
 
All that said, I still wouldn't trade the decade that Tuberville gave Auburn for anything.  He was the right man, doing the right thing most of the time.

The problem here is if you look at his signing classes from 2002 thru 2008, the vast majority of them are identical on paper. 2007 was his best year. There were only two years he didn't bring in a five star recruit. Three out of five of AU's current starting OL were from the 07 class. In that class were also Josh Bynes, Wes Byrum, Eltoro Freeman (who went to JUCO). Oh, and guess who came out of the 08 class? Onterio McCalebb, Darvin Adams, and Eric Smith.

If anything, all you can blame the man for is being unable to predict the future. I didn't see anybody downing Chizik for taking a chance on that OL transfer from FSU. Shit, even I said he wasn't going to make it. Two weeks later, he's out. CTT gets reamed for not seeing 2 years into the future, but Chizik gets a pass for not being able to see two weeks into the future? I believe AU had a good bit of non-qualifiers from the '09 class (between 7-9?), and if I remember correctly, they were mostly guys Chizik drummed up. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong there.

Even showing the attrition numbers, we don't know if he could have worked with it. We don't know if he could have un-fucked it. The AU administration never gave him a chance. If you're using 2008 as your one and only example of he was unable to work with it or un-fuck it, thats a piss poor example for obvious reasons.

[Buzz Killington]

I liked your speech.  

You make the mistake of assuming your particular POV is the prevailing one, however.  

If you haven't seen people characterize Tuberville as "lazy ass" and denigrate his abilities and legacy on this board then I really can't help you.  You see what you want to see.

FWIW, you must not understand the term "unequivocally"  Because there is nothing in the attrition numbers that indicates in any way, shape or form a recruiting failure.  Attrition and recruiting are two different things.

FYI...Scott Kennedy says you're full of shit.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20091202/SPORTS04/912020364/QB-CLUB-FSU-s-Bowden-was-best-closer-in-business-says-recruiting-analyst

Auburn, meanwhile, is making great strides in recruiting, and the Tigers' performance in
the recent Iron Bowl did not hurt, Kennedy said.

"This is not a rivalry for moral victories," said Kennedy, a 1996 graduate of Auburn University. "But as bad as Auburn had fallen recently, this was a good step in the right direction."

Auburn's fall, Kennedy said, lies at the footsteps of Tuberville and his staff.

"They lost their stomach for the fight," Kennedy said. "They quit fighting Georgia going for the (top-tier) athlete in Georgia. They quit fighting Florida and Miami in Florida. They quit fighting LSU for the top players in Louisiana. They quit fighting Tennessee.

"They would still battle Ole Miss and Mississippi State in Mississippi, but basically they became a second-tier recruiting school. And it was sickening.

"This (current) staff, they're fighting tooth and nail for everything, including the top recruits, and that attitude is showing itself on the field. I think it's a breath of fresh air."