Tubs just gave his opinion on the game on ESPN...

Kaos · « **Reply #20 on:** November 30, 2009, 02:49:52 PM »

Quote from: GH2001 on November 30, 2009, 09:45:06 AM

Real talk here Kaos.

I usually know a dumbass when I see one. I.e. - Greasy Weasel. So did Tubs not see "the dumbasses" and bad apples that much?? I can see a year of bad attrition but when you see 3-4 years in a row, seeing into the future or not, that falls on the head coach. There are many of these recruits you know about half way into their senior seasons whether they will qualify or not. As far as pleasing the retarded stat whores, Tubs "claimed" until the very end he never looked at stars, so I doubt he was trying to please a bunch of message board goons like us or ESPN analysts.

You're a smart guy and you know I respect your opinion, but you have to know that Tubs took a ton of risks on a lot of these players. More than the norm. Now a lot of these risks are coming home to roost. Was depth THE problem this year? NO. But it was A problem.

The question bears asking.

Why did he take risks on kids when that was never his method (even at Ole Miss) to success? What caused him to do that?

You will never get me to buy the "lazy recruiting" bullshit -- because that's what it is -- bullshit. Unmitigated horse manure.

Did he throw up his hands in exasperation after the loss to Vanderbilt when it was readily apparent that he had no support among those in the AU administration? Probably. Did some of his fire and urgency dissipate when the AU administration gave him the polite handclap after 2004 instead of giving him anything and everything to turn the program loose? Mine would have. The realization that no matter what you did the goober in charge was going to be busily honing his knives would have caused a sense of resignation and "fuck you" in me. That it didn't in Tuberville any more than it may have is quality in my book.

Saniflush · « **Reply #21 on:** November 30, 2009, 02:53:45 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on November 30, 2009, 02:49:52 PM

The question bears asking.

Why did he take risks on kids when that was never his method (even at Ole Miss) to success? What caused him to do that?

So what is the answer to this? Are you telling me that he took risks on kids because he had to?

GH2001 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 30, 2009, 03:34:38 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on November 30, 2009, 02:49:52 PM

The question bears asking.

Why did he take risks on kids when that was never his method (even at Ole Miss) to success? What caused him to do that?

You will never get me to buy the "lazy recruiting" bullpoop -- because that's what it is -- bullpoop. Unmitigated horse manure.

Did he throw up his hands in exasperation after the loss to Vanderbilt when it was readily apparent that he had no support among those in the AU administration? Probably. Did some of his fire and urgency dissipate when the AU administration gave him the polite handclap after 2004 instead of giving him anything and everything to turn the program loose? Mine would have. The realization that no matter what you did the goober in charge was going to be busily honing his knives would have caused a sense of resignation and "phuk you" in me. That it didn't in Tuberville any more than it may have is quality in my book.

By doing what he did though, he didnt hurt the administration. He didnt hurt Lowder, Walker or Jacobs. He hurt the players and the fans. We stood by him. He didnt stand by us.

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #23 on:** November 30, 2009, 03:37:10 PM »

Quote from: GH2001 on November 30, 2009, 03:34:38 PM

By doing what he did though, he didnt hurt the administration. He didnt hurt Lowder, Walker or Jacobs. He hurt the players and the fans. We stood by him. He didnt stand by us.

Screw any thoughts that he or anybody else has about the reasoning behind it all...this is the truth.

Pell City Tiger · « **Reply #24 on:** November 30, 2009, 04:58:59 PM »

Quote from: GH2001 on November 30, 2009, 03:34:38 PM

By doing what he did though, he didnt hurt the administration. He didnt hurt Lowder, Walker or Jacobs. He hurt the players and the fans. We stood by him. He didnt stand by us.

Outstanding post!

Kaos · « **Reply #25 on:** November 30, 2009, 05:12:25 PM »

Quote from: GH2001 on November 30, 2009, 03:34:38 PM

By doing what he did though, he didnt hurt the administration. He didnt hurt Lowder, Walker or Jacobs. He hurt the players and the fans. We stood by him. He didnt stand by us.

You got it backward chief. He didn't "do" anything to harm Auburn, the players or the fans. He didn't stop recruiting (contrary to the ridiculous notion that he did). If he's got a sin, it's in trying to do something, anything to shake things up. He tried to bring in different/better kids (on paper) maybe. Because people WERE bitching about signing lightly recruited Stanley McClovers and putting them in a position to succeed and make NFL rosters -- more than any SEC team but one.

Did Tuberville run out of gas after Vandy? Yeah. He did. He knew it was over and the whole Franklin debacle was going to burn down the house.

The administration -- by not selling out to a guy who could go unbeaten in the SEC and win a NC (like the Bama turds have done for Saban) -- THOSE are the phuks who cut us off at the knees when they kept him leashed up.

There's a big wad of LSU fans who would dance their ass off if he took over there if/when Miles leaves. They'd be ecstatic to have him. Why do you think that is? Because he shoots a mean duck? What the fuck ever.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #26 on:** November 30, 2009, 05:19:37 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on November 30, 2009, 05:12:25 PM

You got it backward chief. He didn't "do" anything to harm Auburn, the players or the fans. He didn't stop recruiting (contrary to the ridiculous notion that he did). If he's got a sin, it's in trying to do something, anything to shake things up. He tried to bring in different/better kids (on paper) maybe. Because people WERE bitching about signing lightly recruited Stanley McClovers and putting them in a position to succeed and make NFL rosters -- more than any SEC team but one.

Did Tuberville run out of gas after Vandy? Yeah. He did. He knew it was over and the whole Franklin debacle was going to burn down the house.

The administration -- by not selling out to a guy who could go unbeaten in the SEC and win a NC (like the Bama turds have done for Saban) -- THOSE are the phuks who cut us off at the knees when they kept him leashed up.

There's a big wad of LSU fans who would dance their ass off if he took over there if/when Miles leaves. They'd be ecstatic to have him. Why do you think that is? Because he shoots a mean duck? What the fuck ever.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/auburn/football/recruiting/player-Stanley-McClover-10091

But I agree with everything else.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #27 on:** November 30, 2009, 05:28:17 PM »

How did the administration cut him off at the knees? By paying him too many millions each year? By paying his assistants out the ass? The man simply was NOT recruiting well for whatever the reason the last couple of years. I fully understand that anything Saban does, from taking a shit to clipping his big toenail, gets hyped more than a Tiger Woods fender bender. But the fact was, the mijit was busting his ass hitting up every school where a prospect was, every home, every Friday night football game where a 4-5* was playing. Tuberville wasn't. He just wasn't.

Remember all the hoopla over the signing of Caddy? How did they close the deal? By Tuberville taking every coach he had and camping out on the kids door. That's how he used to work it. I can't recall one time we got a commit in his last two years because he personally took the time to fly to Miami or South Carolina or Mobile for that matter, and close the deal in person. If he did we didn't hear much if anything about it. And if that's what he was doing, he should have had the damn press with him. Saban did.

I'm not dogging Tommy Tuberville's overall body of work at Auburn. Loved the man and wanted him to succeed like no other. But, he dropped the ball big time the last couple of years. You get paid $$$$ as the head Corch to handle that shit. He didn't.

Kaos · « **Reply #28 on:** November 30, 2009, 05:35:33 PM »

Quote from: townhallsavoy on November 30, 2009, 05:19:37 PM

http://rivals.yahoo.com/auburn/football/recruiting/player-Stanley-McClover-10091

But I agree with everything else.

I pulled a name out of a hat. Sue me.

The Prowler · « **Reply #29 on:** November 30, 2009, 06:32:18 PM »

Yeah, Stanley McClover.......I guess Ohio State isn't a big school.......

Kaos · « **Reply #30 on:** November 30, 2009, 06:35:01 PM »

Quote from: The Prowler on November 30, 2009, 06:32:18 PM

Yeah, Stanley McClover.......I guess Ohio State isn't a big school.......

Oh, Jesus Christ. Focus on minutiae why don't you? Ignore the point. McClover was a name I yanked out of the air. No idea if he was recruited or not. So pick another one who wasn't heavily recruited but was or is in the NFL. Courtney Taylor work for you? Change it to that and pay attention to the topic, okay?

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #31 on:** November 30, 2009, 06:59:22 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on November 30, 2009, 05:35:33 PM

I pulled a name out of a hat. Sue me.

I thought that's what I was doing.

boartitz · « **Reply #32 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:02:52 PM »

Tubby to Louisville?

The Prowler · « **Reply #33 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:07:04 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on November 30, 2009, 06:35:01 PM

Oh, Jesus Christ. Focus on minutiae why don't you? Ignore the point. McClover was a name I yanked out of the air. No idea if he was recruited or not. So pick another one who wasn't heavily recruited but was or is in the NFL. Courtney Taylor work for you? Change it to that and pay attention to the topic, okay?

AHAHAHA......Stanley "The Predator" McClover not being highly recruited....AHAHAHA, you slay me.

Tray Blackmon, no one knew who he was coming out of High School....

Carnell Williams, WHO? Why did they call him Cadillac in HS? Did he drive an old Caddy or something? I don't even think West Alabama was looking at him.....

Kaos · « **Reply #34 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:12:13 PM »

And you wonder why people don't think all your bulbs light up.

boartitz · « **Reply #35 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:20:25 PM »

Tubby to Notre Dame

Pell City Tiger · « **Reply #36 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:27:57 PM »

Tubby to UVA

RWS · « **Reply #37 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:44:06 PM »

Quote from: boartitz on November 30, 2009, 07:20:25 PM

Tubby to Notre Dame

I called it days ago. It would not surprise me at all if it happened. I pray he goes there and stays the fuck out of the SEC.

boartitz · « **Reply #38 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:46:53 PM »

Tubby to Florida when Meyer takes the ND job.

GH2001 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:57:23 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on November 30, 2009, 06:35:01 PM

Oh, Jesus Christ. Focus on minutiae why don't you? Ignore the point. McClover was a name I yanked out of the air. No idea if he was recruited or not. So pick another one who wasn't heavily recruited but was or is in the NFL. Courtney Taylor work for you? Change it to that and pay attention to the topic, okay?

Actually, Dontarius Thomas may have been the 1 star player you were looking for. LOL

Joking aside Kaos, you know Im not a Tubby basher and you know where I stand on most things. I will debate you honestly. On this one we will just agree to disagree. I just dont think the effort was there like it was the first 4-5 years when he was pulling Jason, Ronnie, Caddy, etc. And it DID hurt the fans. The fat cats he was frustrated with are still puppet masters and fat cats. He didnt hurt them. I remember the outpouring of support the fans gave him the week after jetgate when he contemplated leaving. He could have told the admin to F off but instead we got screwed. Just my opinion. I know we dont agree on this but its ok. I will live.