Scarbinsky: Gene Chizik's Debut Season Mirror's...

Token · « **Reply #20 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:11:16 PM »

Quote from: AuburnChopper2.0 on November 18, 2009, 02:03:27 PM

I'm sure there will be as many different grades and opinions offered as there are posters here. Some I believe have their mind made up already. Some are rival posters and will pop out interesting takes.

I think it'll be hard to grade everything in this first year. What they've had to do this year, and into the next year or two will encompass MUCH outside of just x's and o's.

Something that must be taken into consideration is recruiting. Saban's first season at Alabama wasn't great. Losing to ULM was damn embarrassing. BUT, he went on to sign one of the top, if not the best, recruiting class in the country. A class that has played a huge role in the 22-2 record Alabama has since signing the dotted line.

Mr. Sensible · « **Reply #21 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:18:15 PM »

Thoughts from the assholes 'cross the state.
http://forums.tidesports.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3631098265/m/6521042249

Kaos · « **Reply #22 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:44:49 PM »

Quote from: AuburnChopper2.0 on November 18, 2009, 01:28:14 PM

I've got ZERO problems with what's going on. Not yet anyway. I've seen more to be excited about than ground work for some impending disaster.

You said that about Franklin. And again about the 2009 defense which has (with two games to go) already surrendered more points than any in Auburn history.

Just saying...

Kaos · « **Reply #23 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:46:33 PM »

Quote from: Token on November 18, 2009, 02:11:16 PM

A class that has played a huge role in the 22-2 record Alabama has since signing the dotted line.

Really? Really?

List the ones from that signing class who played last year. How many are playing this year?

Show your work.

Kaos · « **Reply #24 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:47:36 PM »

Quote from: Harvey Birdman on November 18, 2009, 01:53:27 PM

Our local sports talk guy read some quotes yesterday from Chizik saying depth is in fact the problem right now.

Either your local sports guy is lying or Chizik is.

http://wareagleextra.blogspot.com/2009/11/live-blogging-gene-chizik_15.html

"Depth isn't the problem, execution is."

GH2001 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:49:47 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Sensible on November 18, 2009, 02:07:55 PM

That's like saying you shouldn't get grades in high school English classes until your junior year because you will have received adequate time to practice it.

Doesn't hold water, Chop.

No, more like getting your FINAL grade for the quarter only 4-5 weeks in.

Token · « **Reply #26 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:12:41 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on November 18, 2009, 02:46:33 PM

Really? Really?

List the ones from that signing class who played last year. How many are playing this year?

Show your work.

Julio Jones - starter
Mark Ingram - starter
Barret Jones - starter
Terrance Cody - starter
Marcel Dareus - starter
Mark Barron - starter
Robby Green - backup
John Micheal Boswell - backup
Don'ta Hightower - starter
Courtney Upshaw - backup
Brad Smelley - backup
Michael Williams - backup
There are more that play special teams, but those are the cats who have factored in a lot of playing time.

Mr. Sensible · « **Reply #27 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:23:57 PM »

Quote from: GH2001 on November 18, 2009, 02:49:47 PM

No, more like getting your FINAL grade for the quarter only 4-5 weeks in.

I didn't say FINAL grade, just FIRST SEASON grade. Based on your logic, it's the first semester grades.

Kaos · « **Reply #28 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:24:45 PM »

Quote from: Token on November 18, 2009, 03:12:41 PM

Julio Jones - starter
Mark Ingram - starter
Barret Jones - starter
Terrance Cody - starter
Marcel Dareus - starter
Mark Barron - starter
Robby Green - backup
John Micheal Boswell - backup
Don'ta Hightower - starter
Courtney Upshaw - backup
Brad Smelley - backup
Michael Williams - backup
There are more that play special teams, but those are the cats who have factored in a lot of playing time.

Which of these played last year?

Ingram. Cody. Maybe Hightower, I don't remember.

You're really going to count Brad Smelley? Or Michael Williams? Seriously? He's played in two games and has three catches. Yeah, that's significant. Who the FUCK is Robby Green? His mother doesn't know him. John Michael Boswell? He used to be the guy who worked with Charlie's Angels, right?

Saban is making his gravy with Shula's players. That, more than anything, is what concerns me about that shit eating leprechaun.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #29 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:25:27 PM »

Quote from: Token on November 18, 2009, 03:12:41 PM

Julio Jones - starter
Mark Ingram - starter
Barret Jones - starter
Terrance Cody - starter
Marcel Dareus - starter
Mark Barron - starter
Robby Green - backup
John Micheal Boswell - backup
Don'ta Hightower - starter
Courtney Upshaw - backup
Brad Smelley - backup
Michael Williams - backup
There are more that play special teams, but those are the cats who have factored in a lot of playing time.

yeah well sure, so there's that.

Mr. Sensible · « **Reply #30 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:28:57 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on November 18, 2009, 03:24:45 PM

Who the FUCK is Robby Green?

The guy that picked off J. Lee at the end of the LSU game this year. Of course, a lot of SEC defensive players can lay claim to INTs from Lee.

AuburnChopper 3.0 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:34:58 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Sensible on November 18, 2009, 02:07:55 PM

That's like saying you shouldn't get grades in high school English classes until your junior year because you will have received adequate time to practice it.

Doesn't hold water, Chop.

No. It's not the same. I know you, Kaos and others have your approach. No big deal. I however feel, that while you think my approach doesn't hold water (and that's fine) I think naming them a failure or not after this one year would be irresponsible.

This isn't English class. However, if I DO use your analogy, I'll use it to point out that what you're doing your Senior year is much more complicated, or advanced than your freshman year. Your freshman year, you build your skills and prepare for your sophmore year, and etc...etc...

Chizik is a freshman at Auburn. He's getting his first year to create a foundation for his style of coaching. He has a good staff, and is recruiting for it. He's doing a good job at it as well. I'm not sure where we'll be as a senior in 2013, but for now, I haven't seen anything that makes him a failure, nor driving it in that direction.

Token · « **Reply #32 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:35:15 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on November 18, 2009, 03:24:45 PM

Which of these played last year?

Ingram. Cody. Maybe Hightower, I don't remember.

You're really going to count Brad Smelley? Or Michael Williams? Seriously? He's played in two games and has three catches. Yeah, that's significant. Who the phuk is Robby Green? His mother doesn't know him. John Michael Boswell? He used to be the guy who worked with Charlie's Angels, right?

Saban is making his gravy with Shula's players. That, more than anything, is what concerns me about that poop eating leprechaun.

You asked who has played, not who has made the greatest impact. Smelley has played a lot. Michael Williams switched from Defensive End to Tight End this season. He's started at a new position and has pushed his way to #2 on the depth chart, but yeah, he hasn't really made a huge impact.

Robby Green plays a lot also. He's also been involved in some big plays this fall.

I agree that Saban has done a good job coaching up Shula's players, but depth is where these players helped the most. We don't fall apart in the 4th quarter because we have quality players to plug in during the game. As for the players who have the greatest impact.

Ingram - leading rusher in the SEC
Jones - leading receiver on the team
Dareus - leads team in sacks
Barron - leads SEC in interceptions
Cody - eats up most of the interior line

Just take those players away and you are not looking at a 10-0 team right now.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #33 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:41:06 PM »

Maybe, but that Ingram is no Ben Tate

Mr. Sensible · « **Reply #34 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:42:16 PM »

Quote from: AuburnChopper2.0 on November 18, 2009, 03:34:58 PM

I think naming them a failure or not after this one year would be irresponsible.

Who even said that? You are assuming a whole lot. Who said I'd be grading? I asked if someone would.

Token · « **Reply #35 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:43:07 PM »

Quote from: Harvey Birdman on November 18, 2009, 03:41:06 PM

Maybe, but that Ingram is no Ben Tate

He's still got two more years left. Hopefully he'll make it there by his senior season.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #36 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:47:47 PM »

Quote from: Token on November 18, 2009, 03:43:07 PM

He's still got two more years left. Hopefully he'll make it there by his senior season.

Well, it's a lofty goal. Just don't be shedding any tears if he doesn't

AuburnChopper 3.0 · « **Reply #37 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:49:56 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Sensible on November 18, 2009, 03:42:16 PM

Who even said that? You are assuming a whole lot. Who said I'd be grading? I asked if someone would.

I included you with someone else who's deemed Chizik a person on the road to failure. Actually though, I honestly answered that there would be many different grades as to Chizik's performance, and think there will be many ways to do it.

How come you won't be grading?

lifesapplepie · « **Reply #38 on:** November 18, 2009, 04:05:09 PM »

Quote from: RWS on November 18, 2009, 01:27:47 PM

Alabama has 4 years of Mike fucking Shula, and meh, no biggie. Easy fix. Are you guys telling me that Shula was a better evaluator of talent than Tuberville?

When you went to all of those Mike Shula Coached games, was it just as fustrating in the stadium as it was watching them on TV?

Godfather · « **Reply #39 on:** November 18, 2009, 04:28:51 PM »

Quote from: lifesapplepie on November 18, 2009, 04:05:09 PM

When you went to all of those Mike Shula Coached games, was it just as fustrating in the stadium as it was watching them on TV?

Sorry RWS but.... I chuckled