Pat Buchannon to Obama

[AUTailgatingRules]

Got this in an email.  Very interesting read.

BUCHANAN  TO  OBAMA
       By  Patrick J.  Buchanan

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.  Fair enough.  But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation.  White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to...This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard.  And among them are these:

First, America has  been the best country on earth for black folks.  It was here that  600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.  Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans.  Untold trillions have been spent since the 60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream... Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.  Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances.  Where is the gratitude???

Barack t alks about new "ladders of opportunity for blacks."  Let him go to Altoona?  And Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for "deserving" white kids?  Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America?  Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence.  Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this dec ade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena.  And all turned out to be hoaxes.  But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
 
Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.

 

[CCTAU]

If he said this, he'll be branded by many as a racist. The only way not to be racist (which is exclusive to anti-black in America) is to agree with everything black America says. Otherwise, you'll get branded.

BTW. He is correct in his assessment.

[Townhallsavoy]

He's 95% correct. 

There are some underlying issues that cause African Americans to underachieve.  You can't just say "here's equal rights and opportunities" and expect a group of people who have been oppressed for generations to know how to take advantage.  It takes time.

It's getting better.  African Americans ARE doing more than they ever have in this country, but the process is being slowed down by their inability to shift blame from whites to themselves.  It IS whites who believed in racial superiority for the first few hundred years of our country, but it is NOW blacks who refuse to realize that they can't be handed everything they need. 

[CCTAU]

He's 95% correct. 

There are some underlying issues that cause African Americans to underachieve.  You can't just say "here's equal rights and opportunities" and expect a group of people who have been oppressed for generations to know how to take advantage.  It takes time.

It's getting better.  African Americans ARE doing more than they ever have in this country, but the process is being slowed down by their inability to shift blame from whites to themselves.  It IS whites who believed in racial superiority for the first few hundred years of our country, but it is NOW blacks who refuse to realize that they can't be handed everything they need. 

Yeah. I've only been around for 42 of those billions of years. So whatever bitch was born around the same time I was, he has had plenty of opportunities. Handouts are a bitch. They are incentive-less proposals. Breathe and get paid should not be a career.

When the so called world poverty experts blame poverty on capitalism, then we understand the need to pull everyone else back down to poverty level (socialism) instead of making it mandatory for those at the poverty level to do something other than breathe for their money. Whether it be black or white, the opportunity is there.
And in this country, there is no excuse for able-bodied people to continue to live on the government dime.

He is correct. The advantages being given minorities in this country today are such that they really are discriminatory to whites. As a whole, white people do not want to address this. We see these things as helping others. But when will the bitching stop that it is not enough? When others get advantages my children do not get from my government because of THEIR color, then where is the outrage? Stop bitching and start working and we can all agree that the programs are worth it. But continue to bitch, and most would just prefer that NO programs be allowed.

I'm all for helping those that want help. For those that want a handout, piss on them.

[dallaswareagle]

Yeah. I've only been around for 42 of those billions of years. So whatever bitch was born around the same time I was, he has had plenty of opportunities. Handouts are a bitch. They are incentive-less proposals. Breathe and get paid should not be a career.

When the so called world poverty experts blame poverty on capitalism, then we understand the need to pull everyone else back down to poverty level (socialism) instead of making it mandatory for those at the poverty level to do something other than breathe for their money. Whether it be black or white, the opportunity is there.
And in this country, there is no excuse for able-bodied people to continue to live on the government dime.

He is correct. The advantages being given minorities in this country today are such that they really are discriminatory to whites. As a whole, white people do not want to address this. We see these things as helping others. But when will the bitching stop that it is not enough? When others get advantages my children do not get from my government because of THEIR color, then where is the outrage? Stop bitching and start working and we can all agree that the programs are worth it. But continue to bitch, and most would just prefer that NO programs be allowed.

I'm all for helping those that want help. For those that want a handout, piss on them.

For your fine writing:

[Kaos]

There are some underlying issues that cause African Americans to underachieve.  You can't just say "here's equal rights and opportunities" and expect a group of people who have been oppressed for generations to know how to take advantage.  It takes time.

Oppressed for generations?  Oh, phuk me.  

You can't use some poop that happened to your great grandfather as an excuse.  My great grandfather was a major player.  Had a couple hundred houses and acres of land.  Was rolling in green.  His two sons pissed it all away in the five years after he died.  My grandmother struggled, but she and my grandfather worked their asses off.  My mom and dad struggled with four kids and living on a teacher's salary, but they worked their asses off and did well.  I made some stupid decisions and took a while to get my poop together, but I did and can't complain about where I am today.  

Guess i should have sat around bitching about how I was oppressed because nobody would or could pay for my college and I had to do it myself.  

phuk them.  There's no phuking oppression.  Oppressed my ass.  phuk them.

I used to be a lot more liberal in my views.  But I ran a RTO furniture store for three years and then bought and ran my own for five more.  I spent a lot of time dealing with customers in the "welfare state"  People who were second and third generation do nothing motherfuckers.  People who would choose not to get married and just fuck whatever whenever because if they got married they "lose they checks." 

I stood in the living room of Ethyl Lee Jones' federally-funded apartment which smelled like absolute filth and heard her explain to her then-17 year old daughter that she needed to have another child or they couldn't afford some of the things they wanted.  Not that she needed to get a job, get married, go to school.  No.  "You need to have yourself another baby, cause that will get us double on the checks."  No interest in who the father was, just bust out another kid so we can get a raise. 

It was a state of total entitlement.  Virtually no interest in the job training opportunities afforded.  No desire to attend college even if it was free.  One concern and one concern only -- how much is my check. 

This is how they are doing it to us.  Slowy but surely building a sub-society that depends completely on the government.  THESE are the people who elected Obama. 

We need to make voting a tax-payer privilege.  If you pay taxes on money you earned for work, you can vote.  Otherwise, shut the fuck up. 

[Townhallsavoy]

Oppressed for generations?  Oh, phuk me.  

You can't use some poop that happened to your great grandfather as an excuse.  My great grandfather was a major player.  Had a couple hundred houses and acres of land.  Was rolling in green.  His two sons pissed it all away in the five years after he died.  My grandmother struggled, but she and my grandfather worked their asses off.  My mom and dad struggled with four kids and living on a teacher's salary, but they worked their asses off and did well.  I made some stupid decisions and took a while to get my poop together, but I did and can't complain about where I am today.  

Guess i should have sat around bitching about how I was oppressed because nobody would or could pay for my college and I had to do it myself.  

phuk them.  There's no phuking oppression.  Oppressed my ass.  phuk them.

I used to be a lot more liberal in my views.  But I ran a RTO furniture store for three years and then bought and ran my own for five more.  I spent a lot of time dealing with customers in the "welfare state"  People who were second and third generation do nothing motherfuckers.  People who would choose not to get married and just fuck whatever whenever because if they got married they "lose they checks."  

I stood in the living room of Ethyl Lee Jones' federally-funded apartment which smelled like absolute filth and heard her explain to her then-17 year old daughter that she needed to have another child or they couldn't afford some of the things they wanted.  Not that she needed to get a job, get married, go to school.  No.  "You need to have yourself another baby, cause that will get us double on the checks."  No interest in who the father was, just bust out another kid so we can get a raise.  

It was a state of total entitlement.  Virtually no interest in the job training opportunities afforded.  No desire to attend college even if it was free.  One concern and one concern only -- how much is my check.  

This is how they are doing it to us.  Slowy but surely building a sub-society that depends completely on the government.  THESE are the people who elected Obama.  

We need to make voting a tax-payer privilege.  If you pay taxes on money you earned for work, you can vote.  Otherwise, shut the fuck up.  

You kind of went all over the place with this post.

I'll give you an example.

I teach two different classes right now.  An advanced English class and a regular English class.  The kids in advanced are not much more intelligent than the kids in the regular.  They aren't future scholarship winners or doctors or politicians.  They aren't anything more than kids that do their homework and study for tests.  They can handle a bit more material and a faster pace because they keep up with their work.

The regular classes?  Can't sit still.  They don't do homework.  They don't study.  They require a slower instructional pace because if they don't learn it in class, they won't learn it all.  They're consistently late/absent from class.  They miss school for suspensions and are in and out of alternative school.  Some go to juvenial detention center for a period of time.  Some drop out.  Most will struggle their way to obtaining a diploma after taking remediation classes that help them scrape up the 45% they need to pass the graduation exam.  

What's the one glaring difference between the two groups?  The parents.  The parents of the regular kids are uneducated. They're poor.  They're divorced..the bad kind of divorced.  Not the "it's better if we split."  More like the abusive drunk husband or the cheating wife.  Vice versa.  They have emotional issues stemming from childhood tragedies/molestations/other kinds of abuse.  Some are the foster kids.  Most won't have parents show up to Open House.  Most parents won't show up for a conference.  Most parents don't understand that they need (and should have when the kids were young) to help their kids with homework.  And I don't work in inner city.  I work at a nice 6a school in Shelby County.  

The demographics?  55/61 ADV kids are white.  6 minorities.  The regular?  45/89 are minorities.  Now why are the minorities unable to achieve the same amount as the white kids?  

It's the situations they come from.  You can't tell me it's something different.  Malcom Gladwell discusses this subject in his book Outliers.  The story of Chris Langan vs. Joe Oppenheim is apt.  Langan has the highest recorded IQ in history, yet he's a nobody.  He doesn't have a college degree.  He didn't understand what it took to be a normal member of society because he came from a shittastic family with no stability and no encouragement.  Oppenheim came from a great family, and he had a similar IQ.  He had similar college struggles to Langan, where Langan failed.  Oppenheim?  Went on to help develop the atom bomb.  Langan?  Used his intelligence to win money on a gameshow a few years ago.  He's still living a modest life unable to understand why he can't break through in the world of academia.  

So where did the situation come from that inhibits minorities from achieving as much as the white kids?  Is it inherent?  Are black people just unable to be intelligent enough to make good decisions for themselves?  Or is that we haven't reached a point in history where a majority of blacks (or other minorities) are coming from parents/backgrounds that fosters a sense of self-responsibility?  

I refuse to think that they are unable, physically and genetically, to become normal citizens who take responsibility for their actions and make conscientious decisions to better their lives.  It was only 150 years ago that they were receiving no education whatsoever.  

Like I already said.  They are significantly slowing down the process by refusing to blame themselves for anything.  But you can't convince me to place the blame 100% on them.  

[Kaos]

You don't want me to answer your questions.  

It really boils down to how things were originally handled.  We made the transition from seeking equal opportunity to demanding equal outcome. 

We went from a hand up to a hand out. 

And our government continues to perpetuate that mentality.  It keeps blacks dependent on the government and therefore able to be controlled. 

We're all headed that way, though. 

[Townhallsavoy]

You don't want me to answer your questions.  

It really boils down to how things were originally handled.  We made the transition from seeking equal opportunity to demanding equal outcome. 

We went from a hand up to a hand out. 

And our government continues to perpetuate that mentality.  It keeps blacks dependent on the government and therefore able to be controlled. 

We're all headed that way, though. 

We're all already headed that way.  That's not the point I'm making.  I'm just trying to state where it started. 

And we are screwed. 

Look at our education system.  It's fucked.  That's not Obama's fault.  At least not the entirety of it.  Kids nowadays aren't held accountable for anything. 

Seriously, here's the plan:

Type A - Kid tries hard; he graduates high school.

Type B - Kid doesn't try, he gets placed in BBSST where a committee creates special accommodations for that one kid.  Every teacher has to know and abide by those accommodations.  When that kid still fails, he's placed on a 504 plan which monitors if they need to be tested for special education courses.  The 504 plan also gets special accommodations (extra days to complete homework; special study guides; longer time on tests).  When the 504 plan fails, they take a special test for special ed.  Only if they're truly special ed do they make it this far.  They get so many handouts and freebies on the 504 plan that you'd have to be retarded not to pass. 

The Type B kid seems to be multiplying by the handfulls.  There are more students in regular English than in advanced English.  What the hell does that say about No Child Left Behind?  By the time kids get into their junior year of high school, they can't read literature without being given every explanation possible.  The Scarlet Letter is difficult, yes.  But there's no reason why non-retarded 16 year olds can't pronounce the word "decision." 

But they'll get the handout.  Someone will ascertain that the 16 year shouldn't know the word decision, and he'll get extra time on the test just in case another word comes up that he doesn't know.  We're not testing the word "decision" right?  No, so don't expect him to know it. 

It's all bullshit, and we're all headed to hell.

[Kaos]

We're all already headed that way.  That's not the point I'm making.  I'm just trying to state where it started. 

And we are screwed. 

Look at our education system.  It's phuked.  That's not Obama's fault.  At least not the entirety of it.  Kids nowadays aren't held accountable for anything. 

Seriously, here's the plan:

Type A - Kid tries hard; he graduates high school.

Type B - Kid doesn't try, he gets placed in BBSST where a committee creates special accommodations for that one kid.  Every teacher has to know and abide by those accommodations.  When that kid still fails, he's placed on a 504 plan which monitors if they need to be tested for special education courses.  The 504 plan also gets special accommodations (extra days to complete homework; special study guides; longer time on tests).  When the 504 plan fails, they take a special test for special ed.  Only if they're truly special ed do they make it this far.  They get so many handouts and freebies on the 504 plan that you'd have to be retarded not to pass. 

The Type B kid seems to be multiplying by the handfulls.  There are more students in regular English than in advanced English.  What the hell does that say about No Child Left Behind?  By the time kids get into their junior year of high school, they can't read literature without being given every explanation possible.  The Scarlet Letter is difficult, yes.  But there's no reason why non-retarded 16 year olds can't pronounce the word "decision." 

But they'll get the handout.  Someone will ascertain that the 16 year shouldn't know the word decision, and he'll get extra time on the test just in case another word comes up that he doesn't know.  We're not testing the word "decision" right?  No, so don't expect him to know it. 

It's all bullpoop, and we're all headed to hell.

Told this before, but when I taught seventh and eighth grade history all my tests were multiple choice plus essay. 

Usually 50-50.  I'd make the MC so ridiculously easy I couldn't understand how anybody could ever miss one.  Example: 

The author of the Declaration of Independence was:
a. Thomas Jefferson, b. George Jefferson, c.Thomas Selleck d. Richard Nixon

*and you'd be surprised how many answered George Jefferson.

On the essay questions they got points for content and points for grammar/spelling. I laid it all on the first day of class and did so in writing:  Exactly how things would be graded. 

We have tests and parents complain "because you ain't no damn ANGLish teacher."

Principal backs them.  I'm forced to accept shit like "Tomis Jefresen be good persident and he the second of all the persident.  I think he good because he sorry he had the slaves and he invent this toilet. No other persident ever made invenshens as good as he did in his house at Moncijellos." 

That's full credit because according to the principal it answered the question: "Explain why Thomas Jefferson is important enough to have his face carved in Mount Rushmore."

[AUTiger1]

Told this before, but when I taught seventh and eighth grade history all my tests were multiple choice plus essay.  

Usually 50-50.  I'd make the MC so ridiculously easy I couldn't understand how anybody could ever miss one.  Example:  

The author of the Declaration of Independence was:
a. Thomas Jefferson, b. George Jefferson, c.Thomas Selleck d. Richard Nixon

*and you'd be surprised how many answered George Jefferson.

On the essay questions they got points for content and points for grammar/spelling. I laid it all on the first day of class and did so in writing:  Exactly how things would be graded.  

We have tests and parents complain "because you ain't no damn ANGLish teacher."

Principal backs them.  I'm forced to accept poop like "Tomis Jefresen be good persident and he the second of all the persident.  I think he good because he sorry he had the slaves and he invent this toilet. No other persident ever made invenshens as good as he did in his house at Moncijellos."  

That's full credit because according to the principal it answered the question: "Explain why Thomas Jefferson is important enough to have his face carved in Mount Rushmore."

Heh, for my 11th grade US history class (WWII), we did a study guide on Monday and Tuesday.  Wednesday we went over the study guide and I gave them the answers.  Thursday I split the class up and I reviewed with them.  The team that got the answer got to shoot a tennis ball into a trash basket.  I had two lines set up, one line was worth 1 point the other line worth 3 points.  On Monday, I told the class, and also wrote a note on the door, and on the blackboard "Please bring your book, notebook and study guide to class on Friday!"  I told them this everyday, made them read it aloud about 5 times a day.  Come Friday (Test day) I have several turds that didn't bother to bring anything to class with them.  I gave the study guide, word for word as the test and made the answers multiple choice.  All they had to do was fill in the answers as we went over it and bring it to class and it was an easy 100 points.  

Ex Question


______________ was the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces?

a.  Dwight Eisenhower   b.  Robert E Lee

c.  Erwin Rommel          d.  Bernard Montgomery


You would be surprised at how many actually guessed c and d out of those that didn't bring their stuff to class.  I actually had one parent call me at home about this and told me that it wasn't fair that I would not let her son go back to his locker and get his material.  I tried to explain that we talked about bringing their material to class, but she was convinced that I never did this.  I was forced by the principal to drop their lowest grade.  Bullpoop, but I did what had to.  Between things like that and having to spend 30 minutes with the class and the other 60 minutes (90 minute blocks) with two or three of the inclusion kids, I chose a different career path.

EDIT:  I meant to mention that we split this unit into three different units.  One was the European Theater, second was the Pacific Theater and third was the war on the homefront.

Sometimes I miss it.  I had some good kids that were fun, and I loved coaching, but still glad I made the change. 

[Kaos]

Sometimes I miss it.  I had some good kids that were fun, and I loved coaching, but still glad I made the change. 

I miss it too.  At some point when money isn't an object I'll probably go back to it.   

I will not go back to high school, though.  Will teach in a college setting only.   I do not want to ever deal with parents again. 

First year coaching I took over a softball team that had won like three games total in the last five years.  But they'd all played Dixie Youth and were supposed to be some hot shit. 

I took them and started from scratch.  This is how you hold a ball. This is how you catch a ball. This is how you set your feet to throw.  The most basic fundamentals you can imagine. 

I had their Dixie coaches/parents sitting outside at practice openly scoffing and shouting direction.  I eventually closed practices and refused to let them watch. 

At games I had parents standing on the outfield fence countermanding the instructions I'd given them.  Sitting behind home plate changing batting stances I'd worked for weeks on. 

It was almost a war.  I was in the principal's office at least once a week with a parent screaming at me.

I told the girls that if I saw them doing what a parent told them they'd be benched the first time it happened, suspended the second time and kicked off the team the third. 

I had to bench, suspend and kick off some to make the point. 

I had to physically remove parents from the dugout on more than one occasion. I had to keep them from sneaking food and drinks in. 

I was a dictator about that shit.  They all drank the same thing and they all ate the same thing on game days and during games.  All this shit where everybody's got candy bags in the dugout?  Fuck that. 

Funny thing happened, though.  After a slow start, we won 15 of our last 16 games.  The next year we made the playoffs and beat two teams they'd never beaten in the history of the school. 

It wasn't because I was a great coach or had some awesome schemes or anything, really.  I just made them learn the fundamentals and got everybody on the same page.   When the second baseman fielded the ball she didn't have to look to wonder where the shortstop or first basemen were going to be.  She knew that the right fielder was hauling ass down the line to back up first and the left fielder was charging toward the hole to back up the shortstop. 

But the parents never stopped bitching.  They quit questioning the tactics so much, particularly after I organized a coaching club and met with the Dixie coaches to explain my view of fundamentals and how things should work.  And I brought college coaches in to do clinics and let them attend.  I started seeing girls being prepared to be high school ball players. 

After I left that all fell apart.  The next coach did a great job keeping it going, but after that it just faded away.  They're back to where they were before now.  Getting blown out in every game.  Didn't win a single game this year. 

[Townhallsavoy]

I don't know how any of you got into coaching.  After teaching 8 hours a day, planning for the next 8 hours, and grading the work from previous 8 hours, I don't have any will power to care about a sport. 

When I coached football (for the months of January-April), the head coach told me I would have to work 30 hours more a week on top of what I was already doing.  It was 60+ during the season as we were to be at the fieldhouse Saturday mornings and Sunday afternoons. 

Screw that.  I'm glad some of these guys love it because I love watching football and posting about it on message boards.  But damn. 

[AUTiger1]

I don't know how any of you got into coaching.  After teaching 8 hours a day, planning for the next 8 hours, and grading the work from previous 8 hours, I don't have any will power to care about a sport. 

When I coached football (for the months of January-April), the head coach told me I would have to work 30 hours more a week on top of what I was already doing.  It was 60+ during the season as we were to be at the fieldhouse Saturday mornings and Sunday afternoons. 

Screw that.  I'm glad some of these guys love it because I love watching football and posting about it on message boards.  But damn. 

That was the hard part.  It was a lot of nights going on about 4 to 5 hours of sleep.  We took Saturdays off after Friday nights during football season and didn't go to the field house until Sunday evenings and watched film with the other coaches.  Baseball season.....well I didn't care.  I love the game, was going to play at Tusculum or Berry and had an offer to Alabama State.  Injury said otherwise, but that is another story for another time.  I used to eat, breath, sleep and live for baseball season.  Of course this was all before I got married and got sick of the parents. 

I understand where Koas is coming from.  They could be a real pain in the ass.  I also agree that if I ever go back into education, I will get my masters and teach at a local JUCO and do some adjunct work at night at UNA, Athens St, A&M, UAH or something.  At least those students want to be there for the most part and they actually care if they pass or not. 

THS, you are a better man than me to put with it.  I tell my wife all the time (4th grade) if she ever wants to give it up and do something else, we will find a way to make it.  She has days where she hates it, but the good days for her far out number the bad.

[Kaos]

I don't know how any of you got into coaching.  After teaching 8 hours a day, planning for the next 8 hours, and grading the work from previous 8 hours, I don't have any will power to care about a sport. 

When I coached football (for the months of January-April), the head coach told me I would have to work 30 hours more a week on top of what I was already doing.  It was 60+ during the season as we were to be at the fieldhouse Saturday mornings and Sunday afternoons. 

Screw that.  I'm glad some of these guys love it because I love watching football and posting about it on message boards.  But damn. 

I was at a small school.  It was made very clear that if you were a guy and didn't coach your ass better have tenure. 

Those of us who didn't?  We coached. 

I had varsity football where I coached line one season, TE/RB/LB others and WR/DB others, junior high football (called my first defenses there), assistant for varsity girls basketball, head junior high girls basketball, head junior high and varsity softball.  When I wasn't on the court or the field, I ran the clock or scoreboard. Ran the weight room. Was going to be the track coach as soon as we found the $$ to do it.  Was the debate team coach.  Sponsored some club I can't remember.  Because it was a small school we did all the cleanup after games.  We did the weedeating, grass cutting, line painting and repair work at the field.  I had to set my own schedules (except football and some basketball) and find the referees. 

On top of that I taught three blocks of history a day, had papers and projects to grade and lesson plans to make. You try keeping eighth graders interested in history for 90 minutes at a time.  Had to handle all the asinine state and federal paperwork on the numerous kids with accomodations or special learning plans. 

I've got to figure out why William Hartnell has his dick out of his pants and is slamming it against the seat of his desk. 

I've got to be a father to a hundred and fifty kids most of whom have no father figure at home and come to me when they think they're pregnant or they're getting abused or they've fucked up in some other way. 

I've got to schedule conferences with apathetic parents who think that their children's behavior and indifference is a reflection on my abilities and that it is my responsibility to take them to raise.  I've got to listen to those same parents bitch when little Kanyeshomeekia doesn't get to start at point guard because 1) she sucks and 2) she's flunking her class work. 

When I was teaching, I left the house at five in the morning.  I got home after ten most nights.   I did all that for the kingly sum of about $30 k.   I don't work nearly as hard now.  I pay more than that in taxes.  I'm home when I want/need to be. 

I'd much rather teach and coach.  There are few things in life you know you're truly good at.  That was one of them.  But I couldn't live that way.  Not for that kind of money. 

Coaches ran security at every function.  Proms, graduations, school assemblies, PTA meetings. 

[CCTAU]

I'd much rather teach and coach.  There are few things in life you know you're truly good at.  That was one of them.  But I couldn't live that way.  Not for that kind of money. 

Bingo. I love coaching (volunteering) and dealing with young people, but there is no way I could justify the hours vs. the pay. I said this to a recent college grad one day and he tried to tell me that high school coaches make a lot of money. I told him so do lottery winners. I told him so few high school coaches make more than I do, doing what I do, that it would be stupid for me to kill myself and ignore my family for that sum of money. I'm not sure I would even want to do it on the college level. Sure the money is good, but your kids only grow up once. Miss that and you never get it back. Maybe one day when the kids are gone and I am comfortable, I may dabble in teaching/coaching. But I don't want it to be a get it done or starve situation. I want it to be a love, not a forced hassle. And my wife says I would end up in jail anyway.

[bottomfeeder]

I was at a small school.  It was made very clear that if you were a guy and didn't coach your ass better have tenure. 

Those of us who didn't?  We coached. 

I had varsity football where I coached line one season, TE/RB/LB others and WR/DB others, junior high football (called my first defenses there), assistant for varsity girls basketball, head junior high girls basketball, head junior high and varsity softball.  When I wasn't on the court or the field, I ran the clock or scoreboard. Ran the weight room. Was going to be the track coach as soon as we found the $$ to do it.  Was the debate team coach.  Sponsored some club I can't remember.  Because it was a small school we did all the cleanup after games.  We did the weedeating, grass cutting, line painting and repair work at the field.  I had to set my own schedules (except football and some basketball) and find the referees. 

On top of that I taught three blocks of history a day, had papers and projects to grade and lesson plans to make. You try keeping eighth graders interested in history for 90 minutes at a time.  Had to handle all the asinine state and federal paperwork on the numerous kids with accomodations or special learning plans. 

I've got to figure out why William Hartnell has his tool out of his pants and is slamming it against the seat of his desk. 

I've got to be a father to a hundred and fifty kids most of whom have no father figure at home and come to me when they think they're pregnant or they're getting abused or they've phuked up in some other way. 

I've got to schedule conferences with apathetic parents who think that their children's behavior and indifference is a reflection on my abilities and that it is my responsibility to take them to raise.  I've got to listen to those same parents bitch when little Kanyeshomeekia doesn't get to start at point guard because 1) she sucks and 2) she's flunking her class work. 

When I was teaching, I left the house at five in the morning.  I got home after ten most nights.   I did all that for the kingly sum of about $30 k.   I don't work nearly as hard now.  I pay more than that in taxes.  I'm home when I want/need to be. 

I'd much rather teach and coach.  There are few things in life you know you're truly good at.  That was one of them.  But I couldn't live that way.  Not for that kind of money. 

Coaches ran security at every function.  Proms, graduations, school assemblies, PTA meetings. 

You definitely had to love it for that chump change. Hell, divide the hours by the gross income and what do you get, like $8.00 an hour maybe? There is no way in hell I'm working that gig. I'd rather be shoveling shit for $15/hour and talking shit eight hours a day with my brothers. I don't know how you did it, other than you absolutely had to love it. That's why we are all different I guess.

[AUTiger1]

BF:  I have always believed it took a different kind of person to teach.  I gave it up, it wasn't the money, it was the other BS I had to put up with.  It never was about the money.  My mother is going on her 37th year of teaching and I knew that I would never make a lot of money teaching/coaching.

[bottomfeeder]

It's almost as if the education system wants the best people to leave the field for all off the bullshit. I thought about doing it and always heard the money wasn't the best, but geez, I didn't think it was that bad. Dayum, I won't consider it now, plus I can't keep my trap shut. And, I wouldn't make it teaching by script as they require in the dumbing down of America. No way.

[Kaos]

BF:  I have always believed it took a different kind of person to teach.  I gave it up, it wasn't the money, it was the other BS I had to put up with.  It never was about the money.  My mother is going on her 37th year of teaching and I knew that I would never make a lot of money teaching/coaching.

If my wife were making a bunch and I didn't want her to stay home with the kids, maybe it's not about the money. 

But when you're working 15 or 16 hours a day -- and when you coach you can forget about that "summers off" bullshit.  We were there for morning workouts at 5:30 a.m. so the punk ass kids could have their summer jobs.  Worked all day on either cleaning stuff up, equipment repair, game planning or whatever and then we'd do a noon workout and one at 6 at night.  So they could have their free time and still get the workouts in.  I did at least one clinic in every sport I coached.  Those lasted three days  to a week.  Football clinic in Auburn. Basketball clinic in South Carolina. Softball clinic at LSU.  Plus the ones we did locally. 

If you looked at it on an hourly basis?  I was probably making less than minimum wage.