Bama v. Hogs

AUChizad · « **Reply #60 on:** September 28, 2009, 01:11:37 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on September 28, 2009, 11:33:15 AM

Lets compare shall we:

Alabama Opp. Defensive Rank Auburn Opp. Def Rank
Virginia Tech 38 La Tech 100
FIU 118 Miss. St 31
N. Texas 84 WVU 35
Arkansas 91 Ball St 104

Avg Def Ranking for bama Opponents= 82.75
Avg Def Ranking for Auburn Opponents= 67.5

McElmo = 63-93 67% 938 yds 7tds 1int
Todd = 62-106 58% 1012 yds 11tds 1int

Jeez what are we talking about you are so right, Chris Todd does suck.

FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!

Brian, Brian, Brian. When will you learn.

OBVIOUSLY, those teams have poor defensive rankings, because they were unfortunate enough to face the almighty Tahd.

Oh wait, Auburn is number one in the country for total yardage? Number 3 for total offense?

Well, damn...

RWS · « **Reply #61 on:** September 28, 2009, 01:36:52 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on September 28, 2009, 01:11:37 PM

Brian, Brian, Brian. When will you learn.

OBVIOUSLY, those teams have poor defensive rankings, because they were unfortunate enough to face the almighty Tahd.

Oh wait, Auburn is number one in the country for total yardage? Number 3 for total offense?

Well, damn...

Generally, when I make a comparison, I take the ranking before we played them. But whatever floats your boat. I would like to post a link to the NCAA's website, wich gives a report for toughest schedule based on past opposition for the season. Find Alabama, then find Auburn. Get back to me on that.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf

Since we're talking about offenses, Alabama has the #8 offense in the country with a Jr. QB starting only his 4th game ever, NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".

AUChizad · « **Reply #62 on:** September 28, 2009, 01:39:05 PM »

Quote from: RWS on September 28, 2009, 01:36:52 PM

Generally, when I make a comparison, I take the ranking before we played them. But whatever floats your boat. I would like to post a link to the NCAA's website, wich gives a report for toughest schedule based on past opposition for the season. Find Alabama, then find Auburn. Get back to me on that.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf

Since we're talking about offenses, Alabama has the #8 offense in the country with a Jr. QB starting only his 4th game ever, NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".

Scoring TD's, gaining yardage = "silly".

Got it.

:thumbsup:

RWS · « **Reply #63 on:** September 28, 2009, 01:42:52 PM »

Quote from: jadennis on September 28, 2009, 11:13:52 AM

Well, for one thing, having touchdown drives of 50 seconds, 33 seconds, and 31 seconds affects things pretty significantly. And while 291 yards and 287 yards are basically identical, 5 TD passes and 3 TD passes are not nearly identical.

I'm also trying to figure out what difference it makes what the two QBs stats look like compared to each other. You do know they aren't the only ones that gather offensive statistics right? Other QBs play, running backs carry the ball, etc.

Todd produced 43% of our yards for the game. He wasn't asked to do it all, as we also ran for 254 yards. On the other hand, you guys pounded out an uninspiring 3.3 yards per carry to total 134 yards. McElroy was asked to do a lot more in order win the game, which is fine, you gotta do what gotta do to win.

But you can't really compare the stats of the two QBs when one team also ran for 250+ yards.

Good point, and I think its hard to compare the two anyways because one plays in a traditional offense, and the other plays in a wide open "system". Even the NFL is finding it difficult to evaluate system QBs.

RWS · « **Reply #64 on:** September 28, 2009, 01:43:30 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on September 28, 2009, 01:39:05 PM

Scoring TD's, gaining yardage = "silly".

Got it.

:thumbsup:

Have you taken a look at that link yet?

Godfather · « **Reply #65 on:** September 28, 2009, 01:46:31 PM »

Quote from: RWS on September 28, 2009, 01:36:52 PM

Generally, when I make a comparison, I take the ranking before we played them. But whatever floats your boat. I would like to post a link to the NCAA's website, wich gives a report for toughest schedule based on past opposition for the season. Find Alabama, then find Auburn. Get back to me on that.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf

Since we're talking about offenses, Alabama has the #8 offense in the country with a Jr. QB starting only his 4th game ever, NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".

Nice try, but the ranking before or after doesn't matter, because it was equal. Both rankings were after both Auburn and uat had played their respective opponents. Besides where did VT's defense rank before you played them? Can't answer that because you have no idea because they hadn't played anyone yet. These defensive rankings were taken directly from the NCAA's stat page.

And your link has nothing to do with what we were talking about, I was not talking about toughest schedule based on win and losses...North Texas' Schedule was number #60.. 15 places above you, I stopped looking after that. Mine was an apples for apples equation, numbers don't lie.

jadennis · « **Reply #66 on:** September 28, 2009, 01:51:51 PM »

Quote from: RWS on September 28, 2009, 01:36:52 PM

...NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".

Urban Meyer is trying not to drop his two BCS Crystal Balls while rolling on the floor laughing at you.

AuburnChopper 3.0 · « **Reply #67 on:** September 28, 2009, 01:54:52 PM »

Quote from: jadennis on September 28, 2009, 01:51:51 PM

Urban Meyer is trying not to drop his two BCS Crystal Balls while rolling on the floor laughing at you.

Utah thinks the Sugar Bowl Trophy looks nice in their case also.

weagle251 · « **Reply #68 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:01:20 PM »

Quote from: RWS on September 28, 2009, 01:36:52 PM

Generally, when I make a comparison, I take the ranking before we played them. But whatever floats your boat. I would like to post a link to the NCAA's website, wich gives a report for toughest schedule based on past opposition for the season. Find Alabama, then find Auburn. Get back to me on that.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf

Since we're talking about offenses, Alabama has the #8 offense in the country with a Jr. QB starting only his 4th game ever, NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".

Sooo... what you're trying to say is that neither Alabama or Auburn have a very tough schedule?

RWS · « **Reply #69 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:06:07 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on September 28, 2009, 01:46:31 PM

Nice try, but the ranking before or after doesn't matter, because it was equal. Both rankings were after both Auburn and uat had played their respective opponents. Besides where did VT's defense rank before you played them? Can't answer that because you have no idea because they hadn't played anyone yet. These defensive rankings were taken directly from the NCAA's stat page.

And your link has nothing to do with what we were talking about, I was not talking about toughest schedule based on win and losses...North Texas' Schedule was number #60.. 15 places above you, I stopped looking after that. Mine was an apples for apples equation, numbers don't lie.

So now you're only ranking how good an opponent is not by their SOS, but only by their defensive ranking? Maybe the Sagarin rankings are more comprehensive than the NCAA SOS report link I posted?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm

Or, are we just going to stick with only defensive rankings decide who is a tougher team, and who has a tougher schedule so far?

RWS · « **Reply #70 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:07:17 PM »

Quote from: weagle251 on September 28, 2009, 02:01:20 PM

Sooo... what you're trying to say is that neither Alabama or Auburn have a very tough schedule?

Thats pretty much the deal. Neither schedule is very difficult. Especially with how bad the SEC is this year (worse than last year, imo).

Godfather · « **Reply #71 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:15:40 PM »

Quote from: RWS on September 28, 2009, 02:06:07 PM

So now you're only ranking how good an opponent is not by their SOS, but only by their defensive ranking? Maybe the Sagarin rankings are more comprehensive than the NCAA SOS report link I posted?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm

Or, are we just going to stick with only defensive rankings decide who is a tougher team, and who has a tougher schedule so far?

You are totally missing the point, I could care less what the SOS says. Your buddy said that we should not be comparing McElmo's stats to Todd's, based on the defensive ranking I disagree. SOS just shows based on wins and losses and who we have left wins and losses. You didn't take into consideration the SOS of those teams that we have already played. My stats were easy, here is what the defenses rank...plain and simple. You cannot sit there and argue that Todd does not look every bit as good as McElmo.

What you don't get is that I have no problem with bama being ranked at #3, your team has looked good vs the opponents you have faced. McElmo has looked good as well. My point is that we have looked equally as good against equally if not better defenses and yet no ranking.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #72 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:17:47 PM »

Too early to say the SEC is down. I thought they were down last year but in the end, they proved to be head and shoulders above every conference out there. Florida is one of the elite. Not completely sure about Bama but they are easily top 10. LSU keeps winning but look very beatable in doing so. They're either going to go in the dumper like last year or the chemistry will click and they start steamrolling people. They have the talent. Likewise with UGA. The talent is there and they're breaking in a new QB and running back combo. And right now, all jokes from the Bammers aside, I would think much of the conference is not real enthusiastic about playing Auburn.

It's gong to have to play itself out a little longer before we can say where the SEC is.

Argo · « **Reply #73 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:18:08 PM »

I don't understand why there is a need to compare quarterbacks. If Alabama beats AU this year, and I think they will, it will be because Todd has to face a top defense whereas McElroy will be facing an average one.

RWS · « **Reply #74 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:21:54 PM »

Quote from: AuburnChopper2.0 on September 28, 2009, 01:54:52 PM

Utah thinks the Sugar Bowl Trophy looks nice in their case also.

I'm sorry, but if you think the bread and butter of UF's offense is something brand new and innovative, then wow. Its roots are fairly traditional, I just don't think anybody like Tebow has ever ran it before.

Godfather · « **Reply #75 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:23:26 PM »

Quote from: Argo on September 28, 2009, 02:18:08 PM

I don't understand why there is a need to compare quarterbacks. If Alabama beats AU this year, and I think they will, it will be because Todd has to face a top defense whereas McElroy will be facing an average one.

I didn't start it, I just finished it. We shall see...

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #76 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:23:40 PM »

Quote from: Argo on September 28, 2009, 02:18:08 PM

I don't understand why there is a need to compare quarterbacks. If Alabama beats AU this year, and I think they will, it will be because Todd has to face a top defense whereas McElroy will be facing an average one.

You take that back. We are wll below average and you know it. Bitch.

Argo · « **Reply #77 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:29:15 PM »

Quote from: Harvey Birdman on September 28, 2009, 02:23:40 PM

You take that back. We are wll below average and you know it. Bitch.

I was playing the role of a "kind visitor". My original post before editing wasn't polite.

RWS · « **Reply #78 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:29:37 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on September 28, 2009, 02:15:40 PM

You are totally missing the point, I could care less what the SOS says. Your buddy said that we should not be comparing McElmo's stats to Todd's, based on the defensive ranking I disagree. SOS just shows based on wins and losses and who we have left wins and losses. You didn't take into consideration the SOS of those teams that we have already played. My stats were easy, here is what the defenses rank...plain and simple. You cannot sit there and argue that Todd does not look every bit as good as McElmo.

What you don't get is that I have no problem with bama being ranked at #3, your team has looked good vs the opponents you have faced. McElmo has looked good as well. My point is that we have looked equally as good against equally if not better defenses and yet no ranking.

Personally, I say its hard to compare the two to each other because of the systems they play in, and the philosophies. Certainly both of them have met and probably exceeded expectations to this point. Both of them are playing very well, in terms of doing what they are asked. Both of them seem well in command. You can compare them in those terms, but otherwise, I really think you're comparing apples to oranges if you want to get down to numbers.

jadennis · « **Reply #79 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:33:47 PM »

Quote from: RWS on September 28, 2009, 02:21:54 PM

I'm sorry, but if you think the bread and butter of UF's offense is something brand new and innovative, then wow. Its roots are fairly traditional, I just don't think anybody like Tebow has ever ran it before.

Duh, and the exact same thing can be said of ours. A lot of the run plays are actually almost identical (and come from things Joe Gibbs did, that he admittedly stole from what Tom Osborne).

Almost none of it is new from Florida or Auburn. It's how it's all combined, and new options added into a formation here or there to create some misdirection and confusion for the defense (also not new). Then add in the forced tempo.

I'm just confused on how Auburn's is a "scheme" and Florida's is not. When Meyer got to Florida the common belief was that his "scheme" would not work in the SEC.