Cyclone Watch

[Godfather]

One doesn't have anything to do with the other.  It won't be a valid comparison...EVER.

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BTW the real point of this thread is just to keep an eye on how the Cyclones do.  Even if Paul Rhodes wins 10 games or 2 games this year IMO you still can't compare the two teams. A head coach is only as good as his assistants, and Chizik had different assistants at Iowa State as does Coach Rhodes. Players react differently, competition is different, towns are different, crowds are different.  a Tiger can not be compared to an Elephant, no matter how hard the elephant tries to make itself cooler.

Case in point...

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

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Well done sir.

[The Prowler]

And yes, Northern Iowa is the second best team in the State of Iowa.  And, Iowa should've gotten beat by UNI (Iowa blocked two fieldgoals).  So, if ISU gets beat by Iowa, then that would mean that ISU is still the third best team in the State.  And, that it's still a black hole, such a black hole that Terry Price followed Coach Rhoads to ISU, but left as soon as Ole Miss (where he coached before he came over with CTT) came calling.

[wesfau2]

ISU gets their doors blown off 35-3 (with 4 mins to go).

Sucking continues unabated in Ames.

[Pell City Tiger]

ISU gets their doors blown off 35-3 (with 4 mins to go).

Sucking continues unabated in Ames.

Impossible. With Chizik gone, the Cyclones were supposed to be BCS contenders.

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

Rivalry game, and the endzone sections were a ghost town for most of the games.  Pathetic.   :eyeroll:

[DnATL]

Maybe everybody was out bringing in the harvest?

[Godfather]

Iowa State got taken behind the woodshed by Iowa

Score 35-3

Iowa State 1-1

[ssgaufan]

So, Iowa St really is the third best team in that state.  Sucks to be them.

[Kaos]

So, Iowa St really is the third best team in that state.  Sucks to be them.

Ok.  Now I'm confused.  When LSU wins it's because Miles is playing with Saban's players.  When Alabama wins its because Saban is a super duper coach, not because he's winning with Shula's players.  Chizik has no expectations because he's inheritied a bad situation because Tuberville didn't recruit any players for the last four decades and the only talent we have on the team is at the deep snapper position. But he left the team. Except somebody was put up on the jumbotron with "deep snapper" as their position, so it must be important and we have a player in that role at least.  Still, it's going to take Chizik four or five years or maybe a decade to overcome the awful job Tuberville did bringing in players. He only recruited one stars because he wanted to watch yoxercise in the mornings.  But then Rhoads at ISU is a horrible coach because they lost a game to their in-state rival (again).  It's not because Chizik left him shitty players or a program in disarray? 

Funny how all that works.

[War Eagle!!!]

Ok.  Now I'm confused.  When LSU wins it's because Miles is playing with Saban's players.  When Alabama wins its because Saban is a super duper coach, not because he's winning with Shula's players.  Chizik has no expectations because he's inheritied a bad situation because Tuberville didn't recruit any players for the last four decades and the only talent we have on the team is at the deep snapper position. But he left the team. Except somebody was put up on the jumbotron with "deep snapper" as their position, so it must be important and we have a player in that role at least.  Still, it's going to take Chizik four or five years or maybe a decade to overcome the awful job Tuberville did bringing in players. He only recruited one stars because he wanted to watch yoxercise in the mornings.  But then Rhoads at ISU is a horrible coach because they lost a game to their in-state rival (again).  It's not because Chizik left him shitty players or a program in disarray? 

Funny how all that works.

Tuberville=10 years at Auburn
Chizik=2 years at ISU

Nevermind...fuck it...

[Kaos]

Tuberville=10 years at Auburn
Chizik=2 years at ISU

Nevermind...phuk it...

Perfect.  Because I would have obviously countered with the time Saban spent at LSU, etc. 

It's just a convenient blame/justification game. 

Don't like your head coach and he's winning?  He's only successful because the previous guy left a good set up. 

If he's losing and you like him? Can't blame him, he just has crappy players.  Will take time to develop. Get off his case you pretend fans!!! You don't love your team if you don't support this man 100%!!!  Until the losing continues to the point you can't handle it any more or he gets canned and then you knew all along he was a bum, was always a bum and you're glad he's gone.

Like your head guy?  He's getting the most out of the players.

Meh.  Who cares.  Somebody is always spinning. And/or rampaging like a dinosaur with a sugar imbalance. 

[wesfau2]

Perfect.  Because I would have obviously countered with the time Saban spent at LSU, etc. 

The obvious counter there is the quality of the recruits that a program can pull.  Prior to Saban, LSU was still getting great athletes, they just weren't getting coached.  ISU gets shit for recruits...before, during and after Chizik's brief stop there.

[RWS]

The obvious counter there is the quality of the recruits that a program can pull.  Prior to Saban, LSU was still getting great athletes, they just weren't getting coached. 

Great recruits compared to what Saban brought in, or what? I'm not so sure who all of these great guys that LSU was pulling down pre-Saban. I'm not saying that LSU never ever ever had anybody remotely talented pre-Saban, simply saying nobody really stands out to me from the late DiNardo years. For that matter, some really talented guys are just going to be good no matter how the coaching is. Take Rolando McClain and Donta Hightower, put them in a remotely decent scheme anywhere in the country, and they're going to be world beaters. Doesn't matter who their coach is. Take Julio Jones, AJ Greene, DeAndre Brown, put them near a football field, and they are going to be bad motherfuckers. Andre Smith was going to be a badass no matter where he was and who his coach was. I think you get the point.

[AuburnChopper 3.0]

The obvious counter there is the quality of the recruits that a program can pull.  Prior to Saban, LSU was still getting great athletes, they just weren't getting coached.  ISU gets shit for recruits...before, during and after Chizik's brief stop there.

I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand, Wes.

[DnATL]

Ok.  Now I'm confused.  When LSU wins it's because Miles is playing with Saban's players.  When Alabama wins its because Saban is a super duper coach, not because he's winning with Shula's players.

Don't you know?  They are all $aban's players.  He just lets some play for others.  He is a benevolent munchkin.

[GH2001]

Who gives a flying nun what Iowa St is doing. I care what Auburn is doing. Here is my ISU logic:

ISU sucked before Chizik.
ISU sucked with Chizik.
ISU sucks after Chizik.


ISU just sucks really.......no, really.

[wesfau2]

Great recruits compared to what Saban brought in, or what? I'm not so sure who all of these great guys that LSU was pulling down pre-Saban. I'm not saying that LSU never ever ever had anybody remotely talented pre-Saban, simply saying nobody really stands out to me from the late DiNardo years. For that matter, some really talented guys are just going to be good no matter how the coaching is. Take Rolando McClain and Donta Hightower, put them in a remotely decent scheme anywhere in the country, and they're going to be world beaters. Doesn't matter who their coach is. Take Julio Jones, AJ Greene, DeAndre Brown, put them near a football field, and they are going to be bad motherfuckers. Andre Smith was going to be a badass no matter where he was and who his coach was. I think you get the point.

No, Saban certainly elevated the recruiting in Baton Rouge, but Louisiana has always been a pretty talent-rich state and most of that talent fell into Archer/DiNardo/random loser LSU coach's lap.  Therefore, the place was stocked with good players, Saban improved the roster, and Miles is reaping the rewards.

Chizik inherited a poor roster from McCarney, didn't elevate the talent level in his brief tenure (or walk on water, turn water to wine, or perform some other impossible feat), and ISU continues to suck under Rhoads.

[RWS]

Saban improved the roster, and Miles is was reaping the rewards.

FTFY.

I know alot of people called bullshit, but Miles really did have it good with some Saban talent. There's no way that he goes 34-6 with CNS talent, and his first year with his own talent he goes 8-5 in a weaker-than-normal SEC, and its just a coincidence. Then, factor in they came pretty close against Washington and Vanderbilt, and look to repeat that 8-5 mark this season. Miles isn't long destined for Red Stick.

[Saniflush]

FTFY.

I know alot of people called bullshit, but Miles really did have it good with some Saban talent. There's no way that he goes 34-6 with CNS talent, and his first year with his own talent he goes 8-5 in a weaker-than-normal SEC, and its just a coincidence. Then, factor in they came pretty close against Washington and Vanderbilt, and look to repeat that 8-5 mark this season. Miles isn't long destined for Red Stick.

He has been one of the luckiest phucks I have ever seen when it came to plays just working out.  Who replaces him?