Is Chaz Ramsey suing Auburn?

RWS · « **on:** July 16, 2009, 12:42:11 PM »

Saw this on another board and was wondering if it was actually true. Somebody said it was on The Bunker, but I haven't seen it. Then again, I don't have access to look at the actual content of the threads either. I seem to remember something about him disagreeing with his care after his injury or something, but I don't remember it very well. Other boards are saying it is Chaz Ramsey. Anybody have better insight on this? I think the original info came from JOX, fwiw.

http://twitter.com/JOXRoundtable

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A major lawsuit has being filed that's going to send shockwaves across Jordan-Hare and The Plains. We'll have the info around 12:30

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #1 on:** July 16, 2009, 12:52:49 PM »

I haven't seen anything official, but it sounds like his father won't let the issue die.

RWS · « **Reply #2 on:** July 16, 2009, 12:57:33 PM »

Quote from: Buzz Killington on July 16, 2009, 12:52:49 PM

I haven't seen anything official, but it sounds like his father won't let the issue die.

Yeah, I just read back through an article for a refresher: http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/sports/123184172928340.xml&coll=3

This shit could get ugly if it is in fact Ramsey.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #3 on:** July 16, 2009, 12:58:15 PM »

It's pretty much official, and it's not really new information.

Essentially, the Ramsey's decided to go with their own doctor for his surgery. This pissed off Auburn, of course. Ramsey came back with a rehab plan from his own doctor, but Auburn's doctor disagreed with it. Ramsey went with Auburn's plan, and it ruined his career.

I think the judge's verdict will be, "Yes, Chaz, you were screwed over by Auburn. But you know, karma will get you. Try not diving at anyone's knees in your company softball games."

RWS · « **Reply #4 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:12:07 PM »

Quote from: townhallsavoy on July 16, 2009, 12:58:15 PM

It's pretty much official, and it's not really new information.

Essentially, the Ramsey's decided to go with their own doctor for his surgery. This pissed off Auburn, of course. Ramsey came back with a rehab plan from his own doctor, but Auburn's doctor disagreed with it. Ramsey went with Auburn's plan, and it ruined his career.

I think the judge's verdict will be, "Yes, Chaz, you were screwed over by Auburn. But you know, karma will get you. Try not diving at anyone's knees in your company softball games."

Oh yeah, I forgot that he was the fucktard that was chop blocking.

Aubie16 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:14:36 PM »

The fact that JOX said this would send "shockwaves" across the plains is just a liiiiiitle bit of hyperbole. None of the principle parties invovled are even at Auburn anymore.

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #6 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:46:47 PM »

I'm thinking Auburn should just stop recruiting guys named Ramsey now.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #7 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:53:44 PM »

Quote from: Aubie16 on July 16, 2009, 01:14:36 PM

The fact that JOX said this would send "shockwaves" across the plains is just a liiiiiitle bit of hyperbole. None of the principle parties invovled are even at Auburn anymore.

Really? JOX using hyperbole when it comes to negative news about Auburn?

Jumbo · « **Reply #8 on:** July 16, 2009, 02:07:26 PM »

Tubbs could be included in the case if he ordered the change to Ramseys rehab. Coaches always push the injured players to return to the field faster than the doctors recommend.

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #9 on:** July 16, 2009, 02:39:32 PM »

Quote from: townhallsavoy on July 16, 2009, 01:53:44 PM

Really? JOX using hyperbole when it comes to negative news about Auburn?

Thrilla · « **Reply #10 on:** July 16, 2009, 02:58:15 PM »

Quote from: Jumbo on July 16, 2009, 02:07:26 PM

Tubbs could be included in the case if he ordered the change to Ramseys rehab. Coaches always push the injured players to return to the field faster than the doctors recommend.

Coach Tuberville did NOT order the Code Red.

AWK · « **Reply #11 on:** July 16, 2009, 05:30:53 PM »

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Chaz Ramsey's lawyer speaks

Hey everyone. We have some news on the Chaz Ramsey front, albeit from one side of the dispute.

Ramsey's lawyer, Steve Heninger of Birmingham, filed a complaint today in federal court (Birmingham) against former Auburn assistant coach Hugh Nall and former trainer Arnold Gamber.

Nall and Gamber left the program soon after Tommy Tuberville's resignation in December.

UPDATE: I spoke with the court clerk in Birmingham and confirmed this information.

UPDATE II: I spoke with Heninger a short time ago. Here are some things he shared with me.

* Ramsey initially injured his back around the time of the 2007 Peach Bowl.

* Ramsey first stuck with therapy. When that didn't work, he had a minimally invasive procedure (hemilaminectomy) to relieve the pain. That was on April 21, 2008. Heninger said Ramsey's doctor had no reservations about the player's ability to return to varsity action after a period of 90 days.

* Heninger said Nall and Gamber began making rigorous physical demands in May.

* Heninger said Ramsey re-injured his back during a workout on June 2, 2008. That injury, Heninger claims, required an invasive surgery that ended Ramsey's football career.

* ``The coaches and Arnold Gamber knew about Chaz's injury. They knew what he could and couldn't do. They ignored that and forced Chaz to participate in exercises that ultimately cost him his career."

* Ramsey's orthopedist was Stanley Faulkner of St. Vincent's East in Birmingham. Ramsey was referred to Faulkner by Mike Goodlett, Auburn's team physician.

* NEW @ 4:10 p.m. On June 3, 2008, Goodlett made a note on Ramsey's medical chart that said: ``My extreme displeasure over the fact that Chaz was allowed to do weight-room activities on 6/2/08 was voiced at length to Arnold Gamber ..."

* NEW @ 4:15 p.m. Once Faulkner intervened and demanded that all weightlifting activity stop immediately (on 8/28/08), the complaint alleges, Ramsey was "humiliated and had his manhood called into question by his offensive line coach, Hugh Nall. A systematic pursuit was undertaken to embarrass and harass (Ramsey) because of his refusal to engage in drills ..."

* NEW @ 4:25 p.m. Ramsey underwent a second procedure, this one more invasive, on 1/21/09. That day, Goodlett petitioned the Southeastern Conference to grant Ramsey a (lifetime) medical exemption. A portion read: ``It is our fear that that continued participation in intercollegiate football would lead to further surgery and and possible long-term sequelae."

Here are some items Heninger shared during a segment earlier today on WJOX-FM's "The Roundtable" radio program:

* On why Auburn cannot be sued: ``They have sovereign immunity. Any state institute cannot be sued for negligence or gross negligence or anything like that. You can sue an agent or employee of the state if that agent acts beyond the scope of his actual authority. When you have restrictions, you can't go beyond that authority and do what you think should be done."

* Heninger said Ramsey was ``intimidated" into doing weight drills and line drills: ``The phrase `man up' was used a lot."

* ``(Nall) got the team together and told them: `Stay away from Chaz Ramsey. He's not a man.' His locker was cleaned out. His meal ticket was taken. They did everything they could to intimidate him."

* Heninger expects this case to go to trial next summer.

* Heninger believes Auburn's lawyers will play a role in defending Gamber and Nall, which will create the illusion that Auburn is involved: ``It's really not."

* In the interim, he's planning to take depositions from a lot of people involved in the Tigers' program: ``I'll got to take a deposition from Coach Tuberville and a lot of assistant coaches to find out: How high did the orders come down from? From the evidence I've seen, it's Hugh Nall and Gamber.

http://jaygtate.blogspot.com/

Jumbo · « **Reply #12 on:** July 16, 2009, 05:31:08 PM »

Quote from: Thrilla on July 16, 2009, 02:58:15 PM

Coach Tuberville did NOT order the Code Red.

You cant handle the TRUTH.

The Prowler · « **Reply #13 on:** July 16, 2009, 06:02:59 PM »

Quote from: AWK on July 16, 2009, 05:30:53 PM

Chaz Ramsey's lawyer speaks

Hey everyone. We have some news on the Chaz Ramsey front, albeit from one side of the dispute.

Ramsey's lawyer, Steve Heninger of Birmingham, filed a complaint today in federal court (Birmingham) against former Auburn assistant coach Hugh Nall and former trainer Arnold Gamber.

Nall and Gamber left the program soon after Tommy Tuberville's resignation in December.

UPDATE: I spoke with the court clerk in Birmingham and confirmed this information.

UPDATE II: I spoke with Heninger a short time ago. Here are some things he shared with me.

* Ramsey initially injured his back around the time of the 2007 Peach Bowl.

* Ramsey first stuck with therapy. When that didn't work, he had a minimally invasive procedure (hemilaminectomy) to relieve the pain. That was on April 21, 2008. Heninger said Ramsey's doctor had no reservations about the player's ability to return to varsity action after a period of 90 days.

* Heninger said Nall and Gamber began making rigorous physical demands in May.

* Heninger said Ramsey re-injured his back during a workout on June 2, 2008. That injury, Heninger claims, required an invasive surgery that ended Ramsey's football career.

* ``The coaches and Arnold Gamber knew about Chaz's injury. They knew what he could and couldn't do. They ignored that and forced Chaz to participate in exercises that ultimately cost him his career."

* Ramsey's orthopedist was Stanley Faulkner of St. Vincent's East in Birmingham. Ramsey was referred to Faulkner by Mike Goodlett, Auburn's team physician.

* NEW @ 4:10 p.m. On June 3, 2008, Goodlett made a note on Ramsey's medical chart that said: ``My extreme displeasure over the fact that Chaz was allowed to do weight-room activities on 6/2/08 was voiced at length to Arnold Gamber ..."

* NEW @ 4:15 p.m. Once Faulkner intervened and demanded that all weightlifting activity stop immediately (on 8/28/08), the complaint alleges, Ramsey was "humiliated and had his manhood called into question by his offensive line coach, Hugh Nall. A systematic pursuit was undertaken to embarrass and harass (Ramsey) because of his refusal to engage in drills ..."

* NEW @ 4:25 p.m. Ramsey underwent a second procedure, this one more invasive, on 1/21/09. That day, Goodlett petitioned the Southeastern Conference to grant Ramsey a (lifetime) medical exemption. A portion read: ``It is our fear that that continued participation in intercollegiate football would lead to further surgery and and possible long-term sequelae."

Here are some items Heninger shared during a segment earlier today on WJOX-FM's "The Roundtable" radio program:

* On why Auburn cannot be sued: ``They have sovereign immunity. Any state institute cannot be sued for negligence or gross negligence or anything like that. You can sue an agent or employee of the state if that agent acts beyond the scope of his actual authority. When you have restrictions, you can't go beyond that authority and do what you think should be done."

* Heninger said Ramsey was ``intimidated" into doing weight drills and line drills: ``The phrase `man up' was used a lot."

* ``(Nall) got the team together and told them: `Stay away from Chaz Ramsey. He's not a man.' His locker was cleaned out. His meal ticket was taken. They did everything they could to intimidate him."

* Heninger expects this case to go to trial next summer.

* Heninger believes Auburn's lawyers will play a role in defending Gamber and Nall, which will create the illusion that Auburn is involved: ``It's really not."

* In the interim, he's planning to take depositions from a lot of people involved in the Tigers' program: ``I'll got to take a deposition from Coach Tuberville and a lot of assistant coaches to find out: How high did the orders come down from? From the evidence I've seen, it's Hugh Nall and Gamber.

http://jaygtate.blogspot.com/

And that's the reason why I have disliked Coach Nall since I'd heard about what he'd done to Chaz. And, if I was Chaz, you'd better believe I'd sue the HELL outta that sumbitch.

Jumbo · « **Reply #14 on:** July 16, 2009, 07:01:03 PM »

Quote from: The Prowler on July 16, 2009, 06:02:59 PM

And that's the reason why I have disliked Coach Nall since I'd heard about what he'd done to Chaz. And, if I was Chaz, you'd better believe I'd sue the HELL outta that sumbitch.

I hated Nall for the terrible line play.

Pell City Tiger · « **Reply #15 on:** July 16, 2009, 09:01:40 PM »

Quote from: The Prowler on July 16, 2009, 06:02:59 PM

And that's the reason why I have disliked Coach Nall since I'd heard about what he'd done to Chaz. And, if I was Chaz, you'd better believe I'd sue the HELL outta that sumbitch.

I'd sue him for every penny he has, along with that incredibly distracting mole on his head.

The Prowler · « **Reply #16 on:** July 16, 2009, 09:39:58 PM »

Quote from: Pell City Tiger on July 16, 2009, 09:01:40 PM

I'd sue him for every penny he has, along with that incredibly distracting mole on his head.

MOLE.....molie, molie, molie, molie....mmmMMMMMOLE!!!

Jumbo · « **Reply #17 on:** July 16, 2009, 10:09:24 PM »

Quote from: The Prowler on July 16, 2009, 09:39:58 PM

MOLE.....molie, molie, molie, molie....mmmMMMMMOLE!!!

wesfau2 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 17, 2009, 09:47:07 AM »

So, the answer to the thread's topic question is:

No, Chaz Ramsey is not suing Auburn.

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #19 on:** July 17, 2009, 10:07:14 AM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on July 17, 2009, 09:47:07 AM

So, the answer to the thread's topic question is:

No, Chaz Ramsey is not suing Auburn.

That is correct, counselor.