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Honduras Defends Its Democracy

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Re: Honduras Defends Its Democracy
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2009, 04:57:30 PM »
I get what you're trying to say...

...but fuck cigarettes and tobacco.  I enjoy a good cigar from time to time, but I can live without it.  Nothing pisses me off more than smelling some asshole's cigarette smoke.  It stinks and is bad for my lungs.  It's like you eating a cheeseburger and I get fat from it.  

I'll give Clinton a big kudos if she can eliminate the tobacco industry.  

And after she and The ONE eliminate that industry (and the revenue it generates) perhaps they'll figure out some way to extort that missing revenue from something that you like.
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
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Re: Honduras Defends Its Democracy
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2009, 04:58:47 PM »
wrong...

I hate cigarettes as much as you...but this is about the government limiting what we as American's have the right to CHOOSE to do.

Agreed.
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

Re: Honduras Defends Its Democracy
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2009, 05:09:24 PM »
wrong...

I hate cigarettes as much as you...but this is about the government limiting what we as American's have the right to CHOOSE to do.

Fuck that.  I didn't choose to inhale any substance Joe Schmoe breathes out of his cancer-infested mouth.  Cigarettes infringe on my rights to breathe.  I don't walk around and spill alcohol into drinks of people who abstain from drinking alcohol.  I don't go up to people at a restaurant and douse their healthy salads with bacon grease causing the fat content to rise.  If people want to live a healthy lifestyle, they should have the right to, especially over the morons who choose to live an unhealthy lifestyle. 

And if you missed it, I did say "I get what you're trying to say" referring to the fact that I understood the point about government limiting the rights of Americans.  This is just one case where I probably wouldn't give a shit in the long run.  Get the stick out of your ass.  You too, Tarheel. 
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Re: Honduras Defends Its Democracy
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2009, 05:24:37 PM »
Fuck that.  I didn't choose to inhale any substance Joe Schmoe breathes out of his cancer-infested mouth.  Cigarettes infringe on my rights to breathe.  I don't walk around and spill alcohol into drinks of people who abstain from drinking alcohol.  I don't go up to people at a restaurant and douse their healthy salads with bacon grease causing the fat content to rise.  If people want to live a healthy lifestyle, they should have the right to, especially over the morons who choose to live an unhealthy lifestyle. 

And if you missed it, I did say "I get what you're trying to say" referring to the fact that I understood the point about government limiting the rights of Americans.  This is just one case where I probably wouldn't give a shit in the long run.  Get the stick out of your ass.  You too, Tarheel. 

I'd suggest that you NOT go where smoking is allowed because YOU infringe upon the smokers right to smoke by demanding that they put it out; especially if it's an establishment that allows smoking.  I have news for you; Smoking is NOT illegal.

I'm so sick and tired of that arrogant attitude that you non smokers have, fomenting at the mouth about what I can and can't do; if the sign says "Smoking Allowed" then don't bitch about the smoking when someone lights up!  There are PLENTY of restaurants and bars that don't allow smoking...take your ass there and leave me the fuck alone.

And I get the fact that you get it; I just have no appreciation of the attitude.
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

Re: Honduras Defends Its Democracy
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2009, 05:55:31 PM »
I'd suggest that you NOT go where smoking is allowed because YOU infringe upon the smokers right to smoke by demanding that they put it out; especially if it's an establishment that allows smoking.  I have news for you; Smoking is NOT illegal.

I'm so sick and tired of that arrogant attitude that you non smokers have, fomenting at the mouth about what I can and can't do; if the sign says "Smoking Allowed" then don't bitch about the smoking when someone lights up!  There are PLENTY of restaurants and bars that don't allow smoking...take your ass there and leave me the fuck alone.

And I get the fact that you get it; I just have no appreciation of the attitude.

Did I ever say that those in designated smoking areas need to stop smoking? 

And I can complain about whatever the fuck I want to.  Just like you can complain about the teenage dipshit smoking dope in his own house.  It might be legal, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.  It's disgusting that you smoke, and it's your own prerogative if you want to imitate sucking on a child's schlong.  The fact is that your gross habit inhibits my ability breathe while walking down a street, attending a concert, sitting in a "non smoking" area when your kind is blowing noxious gas all over the place in the "smoking section." 

Like I said, people get to choose their own lifestyle.  I chose the healthy one, yet because you chose to harm yourself with nicotine, I have to rearrange my schedule in order to avoid you.  Is that the way it works?  Doesn't sound like I'm free at all, which also doesn't sound logical considering I'm the one trying to better myself. 
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Re: Honduras Defends Its Democracy
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2009, 06:21:39 PM »
Quote from: townhallsavoy link=topi=6011.msg71880#msg71880 date=1247090131
Did I ever say that those in designated smoking areas need to stop smoking? 

And I can complain about whatever the fuck I want to.  Just like you can complain about the teenage dipshit smoking dope in his own house.  It might be legal, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.  It's disgusting that you smoke, and it's your own prerogative if you want to imitate sucking on a child's schlong.  The fact is that your gross habit inhibits my ability breathe while walking down a street, attending a concert, sitting in a "non smoking" area when your kind is blowing noxious gas all over the place in the "smoking section." 

Like I said, people get to choose their own lifestyle.  I chose the healthy one, yet because you chose to harm yourself with nicotine, I have to rearrange my schedule in order to avoid you. Is that the way it works?  Doesn't sound like I'm free at all, which also doesn't sound logical considering I'm the one trying to better myself. 

Whoa, whoa, whoa...line stepper.  Even though the memorial was yesterday...the gloved one just won't go away.

FYI...Tarheel is a cigar smoker, so chances are he won't be doing any of this to you and your sensitive lungs, afa cigarette smoke is concerned. 

I love how we have this same Smoker's Rights argument once every 9 months here in the good 'ole SGA.  Makes me quiver in anticipation of another marijuana debate in, say, 5 months or so.

Quote from: townhallsavoy link=topi=6011.msg71880#msg71880 date=1247090131
I chose the healthy one, yet because you chose to harm yourself with nicotine, I have to rearrange my schedule in order to avoid you.

WTF does this mean?  You work in a school that's non-smoking, you live in a house that's non-smoking, and you frequent restaurants that are mostly non-smoking (speculating here, but I'm sure that the majority of the time you do this, due to your vehement defense of your position).  Why should you ever have to "rearrange your schedule" to avoid smokers?  I gotta side with 'Heel here...just stay away from places that legally allow smoking.  And don't have your britches in such a tight wad over second hand smoke...you gotta have repeated exposure over a long period of time to be affected.  I realize it smells bad, but those occasional whiffs you get whilst out and about will only serve to increase your temper, but not give you cancer.  It certainly won't "inhibit your ability to breathe", unless you have a great passing out story to share.
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Re: Honduras Defends Its Democracy
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2009, 06:26:03 PM »
Did I ever say that those in designated smoking areas need to stop smoking? 

And I can complain about whatever the fuck I want to.  Just like you can complain about the teenage dipshit smoking dope in his own house.  It might be legal, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.  It's disgusting that you smoke, and it's your own prerogative if you want to imitate sucking on a child's schlong.  The fact is that your gross habit inhibits my ability breathe while walking down a street, attending a concert, sitting in a "non smoking" area when your kind is blowing noxious gas all over the place in the "smoking section." 

Like I said, people get to choose their own lifestyle.  I chose the healthy one, yet because you chose to harm yourself with nicotine, I have to rearrange my schedule in order to avoid you.  Is that the way it works?  Doesn't sound like I'm free at all, which also doesn't sound logical considering I'm the one trying to better myself. 

Complain all you want but don't complain in a bar or restaurant that allows smoking!  

I do understand you complaining about it outdoors BUT, here again, there are PLENTY of parks and recreation areas where my 'right' to smoke is infringed.  (And in outdoor smoking situations I do try to smoke where it won't infringe on others who don't but I don't control the wind.)  So, anyway, that argument doesn't work with me.  I had some smoke nazi tell me in Douglasville, Georgia just last year that I couldn't smoke in the city park there so I politely left...I also took my business to the next town down the road.  Fuck Douglasville.

Like I said, smoking is not illegal.

And I think that I last said that I agreed with the Portugal plan for legalizing pot and that I'd even be open to adopting it for America as it might be a real good idea after I educated myself on it; so say what you will about that; even an evil, black-hearted, opinionated, conservative Republican can change his mind on that subject.

As to the rest of what you wrote...Go Fuck Yourself, Asshole.
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Honduras Defends Its Democracy
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2009, 07:31:44 AM »
Did I ever say that those in designated smoking areas need to stop smoking?

Why yes you did.

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I'll give Clinton a big kudos if she can eliminate the tobacco industry.

Keep on surrendering rights/freedoms and see what you are left with.

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I enjoy a good cigar from time to time, but I can live without it.

Well sure.  I can live without a lot of things but it doesn't mean I should have to as long as what I am pursuing does not infringe on the rights and pursuits of someone else.
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Re: Honduras Defends Its Democracy
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2009, 05:27:17 PM »
I like smoking cigars, I sure hope Honduras gets their shit settled so I can go on a trip to visit a cigar factory and smoke cigars.

with my dad!
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