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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2009, 07:18:34 PM »
They did, we preferred kerosene and matches to clear out ant hills.  Of course that could have easily got away from you and you could have got you in some deep shit when you burnt up half a yard......I still feel the lingering effects of that ass whipping.

Now see, if you'd been inside, pale and pasty white, playing Ultra Mega Chambers of Death on Playstation 3....you would have never gotten to experience that ass whoopin'.
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2009, 02:51:25 AM »
Steve, I am right there with you man, except I keep up with the technology a little better then you. However, I don't really don't get into all the new gaming systems except for when I want to play Guitar Hero.

I grew up in a rural area and I had three cousins and a best friend all my same age that lived around me. We were always outside and our parents had to make us come inside. When were not playing a game from our organized sports leagues or having to do our chores around the farm, we were either playing wiffle ball, tackle football (in our pasture full of horse poop), fishing in our pond, playing war, riding horses, riding 3 wheelers or dirbikes, catching crawdads in the local stream, or finding something we can jump our bikes on. Nintendo came out when I was about 14 or 15, but still was not enough to keep us in the house on a nice day.

We (me and the other two guys I coach with) were discussing the other day on how kids these days are supposed to be more intelligent, yet it seems like they don't have the self-awareness and initiative we had at their age. Our coaches rarely had to tell us how many outs there was, what the count was, where the play was, or when to tag up on a fly boy. However, with this 11/12 year old boys, we are having to hold their hands and constantly remind them of everything. Heck, in the game we won today, our first two batters each had a 3-0 count on them to start the game. Since the opposing pitcher was struggling to throw strikes, we told them both not to swing, but what did they do? They swung! Heck, the second batter had just saw us jump our lead off batter for swinging at 3-0, and then he gets up there and does the same thing! We have one kid on that team, out of 14, that we never have to remind of the game situation. He also would happen to be by far the best player on our team. For some reason, when it comes to presence of mind during the game, the other 13 seem to lag very far behind compared to that kid.

We play the O-zone rules for our age group which allows playing of the base and stealing. It really kills me when I am coaching bases and I tell my runner to go, and he just stands there and looks at me like a dumbass. Since the can get a lead off the base in this age group, we tell them over and over that if it gets past the catcher, they better be gone and not even wait for us to tell them too. Yet, there is no telling how many times a ball has rolled to the backstop with one of our runners still sitting at the same base the were on when the pitch was thrown. Then again, the give you that big dumbass look like they had no clue what they were supposed to do.

I do blame technology for some of it. These kids don't get outside and work as much at their game as we used too because they have to get to the next level of the current popular game. Hell, I used to toss a tennis ball against the barn, actually pretend like I was pitching a game, when my dad was at work and I had nobody else to throw too. When I suggested to our team they could do the same thing, they looked at me like I was crazy. Also, playing video games all the time does not help develop any social skills at all. The kid does not have to learn to interact and play with a real person when they are playing that video game.

Like some others said, today's environment has a lot to do with it also. Just like some of you other guys, my parents did not have to worry about what was going to happen with me when I jumped on my bike and took off for the day. Despite the stupid stuff I may do, for the most part they knew I was safe on the rural dead end road I lived on. Everybody knew everybody. When I was not at home, I had dozens of other "parents" on that road that looked out for me. The did not have to worry about somebody that lived on our road causing me harm. I also knew that if I got out of line too much, my parents would probably know about it before I even got home, which really did suck sometimes. Yet, even though I am now back living on what was part of our farm where I grew up, I can't have that same trust that my parents had. I really wish my son could have the same type of upbringing and environment I had, because I know he would probably be a better athlete and also probably a more well rounded kid.

The puddification of our nation, especially our kids, has ruined that for them. The irony of the whole thing is the fact that it is my generation, people in their 30s, are the ones that have promoted the softer image, especially for our sons, the most. They try to teach our boys that a macho image of a man is wrong and instead they promote an image of weak, whipped man. Am I wrong?
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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2009, 12:01:37 PM »
Don't blame the kids.  We've litigated and organized them to the point we've sucked every ounce of joy out of the games. 

I read Ranger's diatribe.  How many times did he call kids "dumbasses?"  Did you see the part where he "crawled the ass" of a kid who swing at a 3-0 pitch? 

Not taking shots at Ranger because he's far from the only one to do it, but it's the organized ball mentality that ruins the game for kids.   90% of the time the games are for the parents and coaches. They're trying to win -- to live vicariously through the kids -- as opposed to teaching them. In doing so, they rob the games of their joy. 

Why don't kids get together in back yards to play stick baseball?  Because they have to go to practice and get screamed at by men, many of whom were fringe players in high school themselves -- if they ever even played.  The game isn't fun.  They can't just go out in the yard and swing at rocks without some well-intentioned "coach" coming along and instructing them on the proper technique to roll the wrists. 

My daughter played softball from the time she was four until she was 18.  In those 14 years she had exactly ONE decent coach who knew how to instruct and keep the game fun.  The rest of them made it agony for her. And I didn't help.  I put her in softball camps, took her to one-on-one pitching instruction. I pushed her (so I'm guilty, too) and in doing so took away her natural desire to learn the game.

The "sandlots" have been closed anyway.  Fenced off and boarded up. Why? Because if a kid slides into tin-can home plate and cuts his knee, mom has him at the emergency room and dad sues the property owner. What ever happened to mecurochrome and "can you walk? Well get your ass back out there."

It's not the technology and it's not the kids.  WE did it. 
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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2009, 11:21:56 PM »
Don't blame the kids.  We've litigated and organized them to the point we've sucked every ounce of joy out of the games. 

I read Ranger's diatribe.  How many times did he call kids "dumbasses?"  Did you see the part where he "crawled the ass" of a kid who swing at a 3-0 pitch? 

Not taking shots at Ranger because he's far from the only one to do it, but it's the organized ball mentality that ruins the game for kids.   90% of the time the games are for the parents and coaches. They're trying to win -- to live vicariously through the kids -- as opposed to teaching them. In doing so, they rob the games of their joy. 

Why don't kids get together in back yards to play stick baseball?  Because they have to go to practice and get screamed at by men, many of whom were fringe players in high school themselves -- if they ever even played.  The game isn't fun.  They can't just go out in the yard and swing at rocks without some well-intentioned "coach" coming along and instructing them on the proper technique to roll the wrists. 

My daughter played softball from the time she was four until she was 18.  In those 14 years she had exactly ONE decent coach who knew how to instruct and keep the game fun.  The rest of them made it agony for her. And I didn't help.  I put her in softball camps, took her to one-on-one pitching instruction. I pushed her (so I'm guilty, too) and in doing so took away her natural desire to learn the game.

The "sandlots" have been closed anyway.  Fenced off and boarded up. Why? Because if a kid slides into tin-can home plate and cuts his knee, mom has him at the emergency room and dad sues the property owner. What ever happened to mecurochrome and "can you walk? Well get your ass back out there."

It's not the technology and it's not the kids.  WE did it. 

Fuck that.  WE didn't do it.  We've "Litigated" these kids out of playing????  Are you fucking insane?  There hasn't been one lawsuit filed in my entire area over tin cans or coaches or players or any other make believe thing.  Litigated??? Now you're blaming the lawyers??  I didn't say kids weren't playing ball.  I said kids are opting for the 400 other choices out there.  Would a kid rather shoot hoops in his driveway until the sun went down these days...or play Nintendo, Playstation, guitar Hero or surf 125 channels?  How many threads have you participated in about the very same things?  And you think it's the fault of "Litigation" that kids prefer the incredible advances in technology to working their asses off in the back yard to get better???

My coaches from the time I was 6 until high school were parents from the bank, accountants, warehouse workersd and Real Estate agents.  They volunteered their time just like I did the past 3 months.  We had 2-3 coaches in ourl league who took it seriously and rode their kids.  The overwhelmig majority of us kept it fun for our boys and girls and tried to teach them the best we knew how.  I played baseball into college.  Most of the coaches never set foot on a high school fileld.  Who gives a fuck?  We volunteered and did the best we could and tried to make it fun and instructional for the kids.  And guess what?  No one got sued. 

     
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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2009, 02:35:49 AM »
Note to self: Lawyers get panties wadded up when you mention litigation. 

Say what you want. I'm not blaming the lawyers, I'm blaming the parents who sue at the drop of a hat and are completely overprotective of their kids. 

I'm blaming parents who are terrified to allow the kids to get out of sight because of what they've seen on Nancy Grace or shit like that.  I had this argument with my wife not two days ago.  She contends that there are a lot more perverts out there and kids are at constant risk.  I disagree. There are no more perverts than there were before, but now we're just bombarded with the crap by the media so we know more about it.

When I was a kid, we knew we had to stay away from Ralph Snider's house because he was crazy.  Our parents told us not to ride out bikes in front of or behind his place.  So we went around the block to avoid it. Turns out they were right.  He killed some people and was killed himself in that very house.

But back then we could call Ralph Snider crazy and warn each other to stay away.  Now? That wouldn't be politically correct.

I don't know where you live, but far too many of the coaches I've had the (dis)pleasure of working with and watching coach other teams have been ill-prepared and living vicariously through the kids.

Yeah, we've litigated ourselves to death. Not the lawyer's fault, its ours. 

Choosing other options is part of it, yeah. But so is the fact that kids can't be kids because practices are regimented and their parents have them in skills camps and being taught by specialists. They've got Ron Polemus(or whatever) teaching them speed and Crunky Whizenhunt teaching them pitch mechanics, and some other kid's dad screaming at them because they missed a steal sign.

Fuck all that. I'd choose other shit too.
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« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2009, 07:27:01 AM »


I'm blaming parents who are terrified to allow the kids to get out of sight because of what they've seen on Nancy Grace or shit like that.  I had this argument with my wife not two days ago.  She contends that there are a lot more perverts out there and kids are at constant risk.  I disagree. There are no more perverts than there were before, but now we're just bombarded with the crap by the media so we know more about it.



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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2009, 12:51:21 PM »
You really only have to look in one place to see the pussification of todays kids.  That place is the "Upward" leagues popping up all over the place.

And yes it is the parents fault that kids are turning into pussies.  I mean what the hell is with the "Upward" shit.  Can someone really believe that it is good for a kid to play sports in a league that does'nt even keep score?  Parents are so afraid to let their kids fail that they insulate them to a fault.  If a kid can't even learn to lose with a modicum of sportsmanship we are in deep shit. 

I remember playing little league baseball and every team always has a few kids that are only out there because of their parents.  As kids then, we did everything we could to help them so that the team could win.  When one of them wanted to cry we would tell them to suck it up and remember that it took the whole team to win.

While winning is not the most important thing in little league, it must be part of the equation.  Without the lessons of winning and losing, it is no wonder why we are raising a bunch of pussies.
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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2009, 12:54:16 PM »
I remember playing little league baseball and every team always has a few kids that are only out there because of their parents.  As kids then, we did everything we could to help them so that the team could win.  When one of them wanted to cry we would tell them to suck it up and remember that it took the whole team to win.

Funny...we always laughed at them and called them loser.  They typically quit playing after the season was over.  Thinning the herd.
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« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2009, 03:33:50 PM »
Funny...we always laughed at them and called them loser.  They typically quit playing after the season was over.  Thinning the herd.

What's this "everybody gets a trophy" shit?  

You can tell the generation differences in my staff.  The younger ones expect constant praise and are shocked and offended if you dare criticize anything they do.  

I've got one bitch who has been absent 18 out of 86 days.  She's been late or left early 12 others (and I mean 3+ hours late or early).   She damn near had a stroke when I wrote her up.  Said she'd never been treated like that.  Said she was going to call her lawyer, because she is on SALARY!!  Well, not so much any more.  Firings will commence.  
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« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2009, 03:43:38 PM »
What's this "everybody gets a trophy" shit?  

You can tell the generation differences in my staff.  The younger ones expect constant praise and are shocked and offended if you dare criticize anything they do.  

I've got one bitch who has been absent 18 out of 86 days.  She's been late or left early 12 others (and I mean 3+ hours late or early).   She damn near had a stroke when I wrote her up.  Said she'd never been treated like that.  Said she was going to call her lawyer, because she is on SALARY!!  Well, not so much any more.  Firings will commence.  

You know it really worked on my feelings when I first had to be a dick to people and fire them but it no longer does. 
I don't OWE you shit.  You are paid a wage to come to work on time and be productive. 

Someone does anything less than that and I just let the chips fall where they may.
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« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2009, 03:45:23 PM »
What's this "everybody gets a trophy" shit?  

You can tell the generation differences in my staff.  The younger ones expect constant praise and are shocked and offended if you dare criticize anything they do.  

I've got one bitch who has been absent 18 out of 86 days.  She's been late or left early 12 others (and I mean 3+ hours late or early).   She damn near had a stroke when I wrote her up.  Said she'd never been treated like that.  Said she was going to call her lawyer, because she is on SALARY!!  Well, not so much any more.  Firings will commence.  

You should try working here for a while...if you think those folks are bad.
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« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2009, 04:11:33 PM »
When children don't learn the valuable lessons of winning and losing at a young age, it will haunt them forever.  I hate to break it to all the sissy parents out there, but your kid is probably not the best at anything.  Until you are willing to admit that and teach them to work to get better or find the thing that they are the best at, they will end up being a worthless pussy.

The days of personal accountability are over.

I'll give you and example:  I'm at Walmart the other day and we ran into one of my wifes old friends from high school.  She was there to get her son's (probably 13-14) ear pierced.  I kind of razzed him a little and told him that my dad once told me that I too could get an earring if I wanted to start wearing dresses to school.  I tthen told him not to let the earring turn into tatoos all over his body because it would hurt him in his adult years.  He looked at me like an alien and asked how an earring and tatoos could hurt him, to which I explained how hard it will be to ever get a real job if he is painted all over.  He told me right in front of his mother that he did not care about ever getting a real job, he could be a professional skateboarder or work in a restaraunt.  His mother just laughed his answer off.

This kid will be on welfare before we know it
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« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2009, 04:27:27 PM »
When children don't learn the valuable lessons of winning and losing at a young age, it will haunt them forever.  I hate to break it to all the sissy parents out there, but your kid is probably not the best at anything.  Until you are willing to admit that and teach them to work to get better or find the thing that they are the best at, they will end up being a worthless pussy.

The days of personal accountability are over.

I'll give you and example:  I'm at Walmart the other day and we ran into one of my wifes old friends from high school.  She was there to get her son's (probably 13-14) ear pierced.  I kind of razzed him a little and told him that my dad once told me that I too could get an earring if I wanted to start wearing dresses to school.  I tthen told him not to let the earring turn into tatoos all over his body because it would hurt him in his adult years.  He looked at me like an alien and asked how an earring and tatoos could hurt him, to which I explained how hard it will be to ever get a real job if he is painted all over.  He told me right in front of his mother that he did not care about ever getting a real job, he could be a professional skateboarder or work in a restaraunt.  His mother just laughed his answer off.

This kid will be on welfare before we know it
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« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2009, 10:26:48 PM »
I'll give you and example:  I'm at Walmart the other day and we ran into one of my wifes old friends from high school.  She was there to get her son's (probably 13-14) ear pierced.  I kind of razzed him a little and told him that my dad once told me that I too could get an earring if I wanted to start wearing dresses to school.  I tthen told him not to let the earring turn into tatoos all over his body because it would hurt him in his adult years.  He looked at me like an alien and asked how an earring and tatoos could hurt him, to which I explained how hard it will be to ever get a real job if he is painted all over.  He told me right in front of his mother that he did not care about ever getting a real job, he could be a professional skateboarder or work in a restaraunt.  His mother just laughed his answer off.

This kid will be on welfare before we know it

     Lighten up, Francis.  What did you want to do for a living when you were 13?  Did you have any concept of money or what jobs paid?  I know I didn't.  I think this was during my phase of wanting to be a stand up comedian.
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« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2009, 11:28:03 PM »
     Lighten up, Francis.  What did you want to do for a living when you were 13?  Did you have any concept of money or what jobs paid?  I know I didn't.  I think this was during my phase of wanting to be a stand up comedian.

I'm not Francis, but come on.  I started working with my dad the summer I turned 13.  Picking up shingles from roofing jobs and loading firewood for the winter.  I wasn't paid, but was told I'd have a car paid for when I turned 16.  For three summers I worked 4 days a week, every week.  I also spent every saturday morning at the local Flee-market roasting peanuts.  When I turned 16, 1997, I was given a 1982 black dodge pick-up and told to get a job if I wanted gas money to drive it. 

13 is damn near too late to start building a work ethic, IMO. 

Also, earrings?  I'm 28 and I'm certain my dad would kick my ass if I got my ear pierced.  . 
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« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2009, 11:34:43 PM »
I'm not Francis, but come on.  I started working with my dad the summer I turned 13.  Picking up shingles from roofing jobs and loading firewood for the winter.  I wasn't paid, but was told I'd have a car paid for when I turned 16.  For three summers I worked 4 days a week, every week.  I also spent every saturday morning at the local Flee-market roasting peanuts.  When I turned 16, 1997, I was given a 1982 black dodge pick-up and told to get a job if I wanted gas money to drive it. 

13 is damn near too late to start building a work ethic, IMO. 

Also, earrings?  I'm 28 and I'm certain my dad would kick my ass if I got my ear pierced.  . 
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« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2009, 11:39:49 PM »
What does your Dad think about your Ru Paul obsession and unicorn collection?

He doesn't know.  Frankly, I'm wondering how you know.
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« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2009, 11:52:58 PM »
He doesn't know.  Frankly, I'm wondering how you know.

Prowler heard about it on the other site.   :drevil:
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« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2009, 12:04:37 AM »
Prowler heard about it on the other site.   :drevil:

His sources are impeccable.
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« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2009, 01:55:11 AM »
He doesn't know.  Frankly, I'm wondering how you know.
To put it mildly, I watch you from afar.
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