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« Reply #80 on: May 26, 2009, 10:44:40 AM »
That was me. Get your wafflers straight.
I think some of you would be well served by re-reading this thread from when Chizik was hired
http://www.tigersx.com/forum/index.php?topic=3935.0

I'm hearing that the paper work has been signed by everyone except for Gouge....Chizik will be coming to Auburn.  If this is True.....The Auburn fanbase will Riot in Auburn and I'll be at the front of the pack. Get ready to see some UAB size attendances...first come, first serve.  Also, TPTB just waved the white flag for the upcoming Ironbowls and recruiting.  Hindenburg II

Who is going to be at the front of the pack of the riot? Is that Prowler? Say it ain't so! From Hindenburg II to walking on water and swimming through land in a matter of months, with not a damn thing to show for it. Hilarious. But hey, Chad, if you want to be a waffler too, thats cool.

From another thread:
Fuck a mid-major coach.

We're better than that.

Mike Leach is looking pretty fucking good compared to Chizik I bet....At least you could say the guy has won some games as a head coach and brings something to the table. 5 wins in two years in the Big 12 doesn't give you much leverage to argue with. Especially with losses against teams such as Northern Iowa, Kent State, UNLV, Baylor, etc....You can claim "well, he will have superior talent at AU" all you want, but he couldn't win at Iowa State with superior talent compared to his opponents. Why is it all of a sudden going to work out at AU, especially when the last staff stated that AU was lacking talent in key areas?
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« Reply #81 on: May 26, 2009, 10:57:27 AM »
The problem though, is that he WAS hired and he WILL be our corch this year.  I don't know of a soul, Prowler included, who wanted this hire.  I think everyone was pretty clear about that.  However, most people, Prowler included, have realized Chizik is the man, like it or not.  And you can either get behind him and Auburn Football 100% and look for the positives since he's been here....or you can gloom and doom your way through life...as if a corching selection affects your livelihood and well being in some strange way.
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« Reply #82 on: May 26, 2009, 12:02:21 PM »
And when the fanbase was brought together in their hatred for the hire, the bammer mouth piece PF kept bashing the hire over and over and over and over and over.  At first, the Auburn fanbase was in agreement with the bashing, until the bammers starting chiming in, that's when most of the fanbase decided to turn their attention away from the hire and towards their hatred for anything PF and the mouthbreathers.  Then everyone stated, "lets see who he brings in as his assistants."  And so far, Coach Chizik hasn't done anything to flip that hatred back onto him and his record.  When you have assistants leave their alma maters and/or where they played college football, then they see something in Auburn.

I felt that when Coach Malzahn was hired as the OC, that's when a lot of the fanbase started changing their tune, because they knew how good of a coach he was at Arkansas and at Tulsa.  Then when Coach Trooper and Coach Rocker were brought on board, that got the rest to change their tune...from pitchforks, fire & brimstone, kill everyone to lets see what these coaches can do.  Also, when we landed QB Tyrik Rollison, WRs Emory Blake, DeAngelo Benton and were in the Top two for RB David Oku, I think that opened some people's eyes even more.
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« Reply #83 on: May 26, 2009, 12:57:04 PM »
The problem though, is that he WAS hired and he WILL be our corch this year.  I don't know of a soul, Prowler included, who wanted this hire.  I think everyone was pretty clear about that.  However, most people, Prowler included, have realized Chizik is the man, like it or not.  And you can either get behind him and Auburn Football 100% and look for the positives since he's been here....or you can gloom and doom your way through life...as if a corching selection affects your livelihood and well being in some strange way.
I agree corch.
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« Reply #84 on: May 26, 2009, 02:21:14 PM »

From another thread:
Mike Leach is looking pretty fucking good compared to Chizik I bet....At least you could say the guy has won some games as a head coach and brings something to the table. 5 wins in two years in the Big 12 doesn't give you much leverage to argue with. Especially with losses against teams such as Northern Iowa, Kent State, UNLV, Baylor, etc....You can claim "well, he will have superior talent at AU" all you want, but he couldn't win at Iowa State with superior talent compared to his opponents. Why is it all of a sudden going to work out at AU, especially when the last staff stated that AU was lacking talent in key areas?

I stand by my statement.  I also do not want Leach anywhere near the AU program.
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« Reply #85 on: May 26, 2009, 02:58:03 PM »
And when the fanbase was brought together in their hatred for the hire, the bammer mouth piece PF kept bashing the hire over and over and over and over and over.  At first, the Auburn fanbase was in agreement with the bashing, until the bammers starting chiming in, that's when most of the fanbase decided to turn their attention away from the hire and towards their hatred for anything PF and the mouthbreathers.  Then everyone stated, "lets see who he brings in as his assistants."  And so far, Coach Chizik hasn't done anything to flip that hatred back onto him and his record.  When you have assistants leave their alma maters and/or where they played college football, then they see something in Auburn.

I felt that when Coach Malzahn was hired as the OC, that's when a lot of the fanbase started changing their tune, because they knew how good of a coach he was at Arkansas and at Tulsa.  Then when Coach Trooper and Coach Rocker were brought on board, that got the rest to change their tune...from pitchforks, fire & brimstone, kill everyone to lets see what these coaches can do.  Also, when we landed QB Tyrik Rollison, WRs Emory Blake, DeAngelo Benton and were in the Top two for RB David Oku, I think that opened some people's eyes even more.
Why is it OK to point out assistants leaving their alma maters and/or where they played college ball because they "see" something in AU, but James Willis was ran into the ground and labeled Benedict Arnold for doing the same? The whole Willis situation was fucked up as a football bat from the word go, and that was thanks to Chizik imo. We want you, wait, we don't want you now, oh wait, we want you again because getting rid of you might fuck our recruiting up. I think Willis saw it for what it was, and decided he didn't want any part of it. You could just as easily say that he knew things were going to be fucked up and that drove him to leave his alma mater for its rival. There is more behind that story than either of us will ever know.  

As far as Malzahn at Arkansas, Nutt never gave him full control of anything. You posted a link a while back of a looooong document detailing the whole Malzahn and Company experience there, and it pretty much supports that. Nutt's whole reasoning for not giving him the offensive reigns was because, according to him, his style of play would not work in the SEC. I'm not so sure I would consider Nutt an expert or anything, so consider the source. There is no denying that Tulsa's offense put up some lofty numbers on offense. However, their offense was not bulletproof. When playing better teams, such as Oklahoma (21 pts scored), Arkansas (23 pts scored), East Carolina (24 pts scored), those defenses did OK and beat Tulsa. In 2007, UCF managed to limit Tulsa's offense to 25 points and under in their two meetings that season. I'm sure that Malzahn will have better talent at AU than he did at Tulsa in some positions, but that doesn't automatically equal success when you factor in that he will be facing defenses that are alot better than what he saw at Tulsa as well. Its a sliding scale that goes both ways.

Trooper Taylor has nothing in his history that is incredibly remarkable. On Rivals they do not list coaches who recruited a player in the 05 class or before, so I'm working with what I have. On the recruiting side, in 06 he brought in three 3* players for the Vols, an OL, and two LBs. The OL, Jarrod Shaw, has played in 2 games in 3 years. One of the LBs, LaMarcus Thompson, has played 26 games over 3 years with 20 tackles. The other LB, Gerald Williams, played in 10 games in 08 and had 12 tackles.  In 07 he brought in Eric Berry and four other recruits. Other than Berry, the only ones still on the roster are Ahmad Paige and Denarius Moore. Paige has played on third team in two games and has no statistics. Moore played as a backup in 07 and in 08 and has 25 receptions for 483 yards over 26 games. Taylor had nothing to speak of at OSU.

Nothing all that remarkable about Tracy Rocker either, except that you have some sort of mancrush on him. The best that Arky's defense was with him as line coach was second best in the SEC I think. He had some accomplishments when he played for AU and all, but I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe that he is some extraordinary out of this world coach. I'm not saying he's automatically a horrible coach either, fwiw.

As far as Rollison, the kid can flat out ball. I don't think anybody can question that. The problem with that is, alot of schools weren't willing to risk it on a kid who made a 13 on the ACT the first two times he took it. Grades were a real issue for him, and you could tell by his offer list. Plus, Luper had already been recruiting him to OSU before he came to AU, so don't paint it as a picture of this staff came in fresh and went out and recruited this guy blindly. Luper and Taylor were familiar with him, and Luper had been recruiting him to start with. Anyway, his two finalists were Kansas St. and AU. Which one would you pick? He is from Texas, and they didn't even offer him. Regardless of grades, he's a baller and a good pickup for AU.

Emory Blake, same deal. Malzahn had recruited him to Tulsa, and he said Malzahn was his main reason for signing with AU when Malzahn made the move. If the kid was going to go to Tulsa because of Malzahn, he would be stupid to not go to AU. AU > Tulsa. His high school runs a similar system to the one Malzahn runs, so another plus for him. His offer list wasn't all that gaudy either.

DeAngelo Benton? The same one that LSU finally gave up on after waiting for two years for him to make his grades? A Kerry Murphy story if I ever heard one. Regardless, I would mark it as a good pickup for AU. Not sure if he will be able to grasp the playbook, but we shall see.

As far as David Oku goes, I know you get caught up in the whole "Well, we ALMOST got....." thing, but it doesn't count unless they actually commit or sign with your team. I could say that Alabama ALMOST got Tebow, but what difference does that make? He didn't pick Alabama, and he's doing just fine at Florida.

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« Reply #86 on: May 26, 2009, 02:59:27 PM »
I stand by my statement.  I also do not want Leach anywhere near the AU program.
Is Pat Dye really that much better to have involved in the program? Tuberville was smart to keep him away, if you ask me.
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« Reply #87 on: May 26, 2009, 03:08:23 PM »
Is Pat Dye really that much better to have involved in the program? Tuberville was smart to keep him away, if you ask me.

The part that few people realize is how unattached to the program Dye is these days.  Vastly overstated.
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« Reply #88 on: May 26, 2009, 03:23:26 PM »
The part that few people realize is how unattached to the program Dye is these days.  Vastly overstated.
Really? Even after he said in an interview that this is the most welcomed he has been to the program in years? From the rumors floating around on message boards that I saw, Dye was involved in the coaching selection process. How true that is, your guess is as good as mine. Simply message board fodder. Personally, I wouldn't want a coach who was at the helm when players were being paid and other infractions occurred having anything to do with the program.
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« Reply #89 on: May 26, 2009, 03:28:40 PM »

 Nutt's whole reasoning for not giving him the offensive reigns was because, according to him, his style of play would not work in the SEC. I'm not so sure I would consider Nutt an expert or anything, so consider the source.

You don't have a proper understanding of this entire situation.  Nutt's stated reason was bullshit, because Malzahn's offense (with a true Fr QB) went 8-0 before Nutt threw the handcuffs on Malzahn and yanked Mitch Mustain.  The man is an insufferable egomaniac who couldn't stand that a "high school coach" was getting the adoration of the fans.
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« Reply #90 on: May 26, 2009, 03:32:30 PM »
Really? Even after he said in an interview that this is the most welcomed he has been to the program in years? From the rumors floating around on message boards that I saw, Dye was involved in the coaching selection process. How true that is, your guess is as good as mine. Simply message board fodder. Personally, I wouldn't want a coach who was at the helm when players were being paid and other infractions occurred having anything to do with the program.

You have no idea how much this made me chortle.
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« Reply #91 on: May 26, 2009, 03:37:24 PM »
Really? Even after he said in an interview that this is the most welcomed he has been to the program in years? From the rumors floating around on message boards that I saw, Dye was involved in the coaching selection process. How true that is, your guess is as good as mine. Simply message board fodder. Personally, I wouldn't want a coach who was at the helm when players were being paid and other infractions occurred having anything to do with the program.

Sani knows far more than I when it comes to Pat Dye and young, school girls.  His family actually knows the man (and a few of the girls) very well and I'd take his word for that.  My take from afar is that he is given the opportunity for input about issues like the coaching search.  Who better than a former Auburn Corch to give input?  However, I think input and influence should not be confused.  There's a huge difference in saying, "Corch, what do you think..." and giving a former coach the power to say, "This is how it's gonna' be..."

I have no doubt his opinion played a part in Chizik's hire.  But I also believe if they truly wanted to go in another direction, they would have.  
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« Reply #92 on: May 26, 2009, 03:41:04 PM »
Really? Even after he said in an interview that this is the most welcomed he has been to the program in years?
He has said that on more than one occasion and I believe it to be true.  I personally think it would be a travesty to not have him attached to a program that he himself resurrected like a phoenix.


Dye was involved in the coaching selection process.
False.

Personally, I wouldn't want a coach who was at the helm when players were being paid and other infractions occurred having anything to do with the program.

Doesn't Gene Stallings come back semi regularly?  
Dye certainly had to take the ultimate blame for what happened on his watch.  Anyone who is a leader has to.  
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« Reply #93 on: May 26, 2009, 03:42:03 PM »
You have no idea how much this made me chortle.
Like I said. Simply message board fodder.
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« Reply #94 on: May 26, 2009, 04:02:07 PM »
The problem though, is that he WAS hired and he WILL be our corch this year.  I don't know of a soul, Prowler included, who wanted this hire.  I think everyone was pretty clear about that.  However, most people, Prowler included, have realized Chizik is the man, like it or not.  And you can either get behind him and Auburn Football 100% and look for the positives since he's been here....or you can gloom and doom your way through life...as if a corching selection affects your livelihood and well being in some strange way.

Yep.  I made my call to Jacob's office the monday following the hire.  I voiced my displeasure, and was real quick in discovering that they didn't give a hoot in hell how I or anyone else felt about the hire.  So, what are you going to do?  Well I sat back, talked with my Auburn friends about it, and it's pretty much universal that they felt the same way, but unlike some greasey dumbfuck here, know there's NOTHING that can be done about it right now.  Then we heard the praises of the people he hired, and it seemed he was serious about putting together a quality staff.  Unlike Mullen and Kiffen, he hasn't run his cock-holster and embarassed the school.  So there's that.  And the bottom line is he's most likely the coach for at least the next 2 years come hell or high water.   I figure that as long as he maintains just what he did in recruiting this past season, then Auburn will be no worse for the wear, and if he recruits a couple  of top 10 classes, but can't win on the field, he's like our Ron Zook and leaves the program better than he found it for the next coach.  Could he run it in the ground? I guess so.  I'm not betting on it, and certainly not hoping for it. 
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« Reply #95 on: May 26, 2009, 04:06:51 PM »
Yep.  I made my call to Jacob's office the monday following the hire.  I voiced my displeasure, and was real quick in discovering that they didn't give a hoot in hell how I or anyone else felt about the hire.  So, what are you going to do?  Well I sat back, talked with my Auburn friends about it, and it's pretty much universal that they felt the same way, but unlike some greasey dumbfuck here, know there's NOTHING that can be done about it right now.  Then we heard the praises of the people he hired, and it seemed he was serious about putting together a quality staff.  Unlike Mullen and Kiffen, he hasn't run his cock-holster and embarassed the school.  So there's that.  And the bottom line is he's most likely the coach for at least the next 2 years come hell or high water.   I figure that as long as he maintains just what he did in recruiting this past season, then Auburn will be no worse for the wear, and if he recruits a couple  of top 10 classes, but can't win on the field, he's like our Ron Zook and leaves the program better than he found it for the next coach.  Could he run it in the ground? I guess so.  I'm not betting on it, and certainly not hoping for it. 

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« Reply #96 on: May 26, 2009, 04:09:18 PM »
I figure that as long as he maintains just what he did in recruiting this past season, then Auburn will be no worse for the wear, and if he recruits a couple  of top 10 classes, but can't win on the field, he's like our Ron Zook and leaves the program better than he found it for the next coach.

Ha...that's an angle I had not considered.  Ron Zook...interesting.
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« Reply #97 on: May 26, 2009, 04:09:22 PM »
Doesn't Gene Stallings come back semi regularly?  
Dye certainly had to take the ultimate blame for what happened on his watch.  Anyone who is a leader has to.  

To the best of my recollection, none of Stallings' assistants were paying money to a player or arranged loans for a player.
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« Reply #98 on: May 26, 2009, 04:10:14 PM »
To the best of my recollection, none of Stallings' assistants were paying money to a player or arranged loans for a player.

It's just understood that every coach's staff/underlings/minions at bama pays players. 

Did you not get the memo when you signed up here?
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« Reply #99 on: May 26, 2009, 04:13:11 PM »
That's true, but keep it down home cuz..
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