What history tells us...

JR4AU · « **Reply #60 on:** May 18, 2009, 03:13:10 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on May 18, 2009, 03:04:59 PM

LSU went the better part of 50 years without said advantage. Their "rise" is a relatively new phenomenon. Up until that midget cocksucker got there LSU was basically Ole Miss with a better uniform.

If you go by all time winning percentage, that's not true. LSU is 13th in all time winning percentage, Auburn is 15th.

But the real "advantage" is being "The state school"

Top 20 all time in winning percentage.

12 of the top 20 are "the state school", 2 are private, one is "the national school".

No/School/W%/W/L/Tie/Total games played.

1 Michigan 0.73982 872 295 36 1203
2 Notre Dame 0.73639 831 284 42 1157
3 Texas 0.72039 835 314 33 1182
4 Oklahoma 0.71472 789 299 53 1141
5 Ohio State 0.71441 807 307 52 1166
6 Alabama 0.70855 799 316 43 1158
7 Southern Cal 0.70614 766 303 54 1123
8 Nebraska 0.70275 824 337 40 1201
9 Tennessee 0.69214 783 333 55 1171
10 Penn State 0.68934 800 349 42 1191

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11 Florida State 0.67073 459 221 17 697
12 Georgia 0.64599 723 384 54 1161
13 Louisiana State 0.64027 700 383 47 1130
14 Miami-Florida 0.63402 544 310 19 873
15 Auburn 0.62734 681 395 47 1123
16 Florida 0.62713 641 373 40 1054
17 Miami-Ohio 0.62593 649 379 44 1072
18 Washington 0.61601 652 397 50 1099
19 Arizona State 0.61500 541 334 25 900
20 Central Michigan 0.60999 557 350 34 941

Kaos · « **Reply #61 on:** May 18, 2009, 03:16:52 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on May 18, 2009, 03:13:10 PM

If you go by all time winning percentage, that's not true. LSU is 13th in all time winning percentage, Auburn is 15th.

LSU wasn't relevant for a very, very long time. Don't know what their "winning percentage" is. I guess, like Ole Miss, most of that was carved up back when they used dinosaurs to get back and forth from games.

Godfather · « **Reply #62 on:** May 18, 2009, 03:23:54 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on May 18, 2009, 03:16:52 PM

LSU wasn't relevant for a very, very long time. Don't know what their "winning percentage" is. I guess, like Ole Miss, most of that was carved up back when they used dinosaurs to get back and forth from games.

Neither was UF

Kaos · « **Reply #63 on:** May 18, 2009, 03:41:48 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on May 18, 2009, 03:23:54 PM

Neither was UF

Good point.

We missed a prime opportunity to vault onto the national stage. The media was ready for us in 2001. We fell on our sword. They were drooling on us in 2003. We shit the bed. Still pissed at us for that in 2004. I'm convinced that the reluctance to move us up was directly correlated to us pissing in their face in '03 with that disastrous start. The media was ready again in 2005. Ready to love because they felt bad for shitting us in 2004. Shit the bed again against GaTech. Still ready to give us some love in 2006. Had an opportunity to move into a serious BCS title debate. What? What's that smell? Shit in the fucking bed again. Houston Fucking Nutt and his clown circus poked us and we shit the fucking bed. Explosive shit. But we could have crawled right back into it. They were going to forgive until... more shit in the bed. Sheets soaked in it. Fucking Georgia. A bad Georgia team.

You see, people, this is why I was okay with Tuberville leaving. We'd get close, but with the exception of 2004 there was a lot of bed shitting. I was thinking that we'd do like my Red Sox. Pistol whip the guy who kept getting us close and bring in somebody who could actually bring home the bacon.

But if you seriously think Chizik is going to be doing any baconing? I can't help you with that. Might have been better off to be satisfied with being close enough to see the treasure and just live with the shit smell.

JR4AU · « **Reply #64 on:** May 18, 2009, 03:53:22 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on May 18, 2009, 03:41:48 PM

Good point.

We missed a prime opportunity to vault onto the national stage. The media was ready for us in 2001. We fell on our sword. They were drooling on us in 2003. We shit the bed. Still pissed at us for that in 2004. I'm convinced that the reluctance to move us up was directly correlated to us pissing in their face in '03 with that disastrous start. The media was ready again in 2005. Ready to love because they felt bad for shitting us in 2004. Shit the bed again against GaTech. Still ready to give us some love in 2006. Had an opportunity to move into a serious BCS title debate. What? What's that smell? Shit in the fucking bed again. Houston Fucking Nutt and his clown circus poked us and we shit the fucking bed. Explosive shit. But we could have crawled right back into it. They were going to forgive until... more shit in the bed. Sheets soaked in it. Fucking Georgia. A bad Georgia team.

You see, people, this is why I was okay with Tuberville leaving. We'd get close, but with the exception of 2004 there was a lot of bed shitting. I was thinking that we'd do like my Red Sox. Pistol whip the guy who kept getting us close and bring in somebody who could actually bring home the bacon.

But if you seriously think Chizik is going to be doing any baconing? I can't help you with that. Might have been better off to be satisfied with being close enough to see the treasure and just live with the shit smell.

What coach out there "gets close" and acheives every year?

Kaos · « **Reply #65 on:** May 18, 2009, 04:03:53 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on May 18, 2009, 03:53:22 PM

What coach out there "gets close" and acheives every year?

None.

Bob Stoops is a big bed shitter. But it's okay because he delivered. Pete Carroll shits the bed every single year -- but one. Saban shit the bed last season. Matter of record, Saban shit all over the bed the year he "won" his national title, but that year beds around the country were filled with shit and it was a matter of finding the least stained sheets. That LSU team couldn't have stayed on the field with the 2004 Auburn team. Neither could Les Miles' NC squad. Fact is, there are only one or two teams in the last 30 years of SEC history that could have hung with the 2004 team. You could make an argument for it being the best SEC team of the modern era.

The problem with Tuberville's bed shitting was the timing. Everything was there and in place for us. We could have been what LSU became. All we had to do was keep from re-shitting the bed in 2003. We didn't. We took a big bottle of Exlax before the year kicked off.

JR4AU · « **Reply #66 on:** May 18, 2009, 04:45:03 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on May 18, 2009, 04:03:53 PM

None.

Bob Stoops is a big bed shitter. But it's okay because he delivered. Pete Carroll shits the bed every single year -- but one. Saban shit the bed last season. Matter of record, Saban shit all over the bed the year he "won" his national title, but that year beds around the country were filled with shit and it was a matter of finding the least stained sheets. That LSU team couldn't have stayed on the field with the 2004 Auburn team. Neither could Les Miles' NC squad. Fact is, there are only one or two teams in the last 30 years of SEC history that could have hung with the 2004 team. You could make an argument for it being the best SEC team of the modern era.

The problem with Tuberville's bed shitting was the timing. Everything was there and in place for us. We could have been what LSU became. All we had to do was keep from re-shitting the bed in 2003. We didn't. We took a big bottle of Exlax before the year kicked off.

Pretty much nailed it. 2004 type teams don't come around but maybe once in a career...unless you're Paterno or Bowden, and still I can't think of a team of theirs that good. That's why it's so grossly heart wrenching and so just wrong that they weren't allowed to prove they were as good as they were.

Greaseyweasel · « **Reply #67 on:** May 18, 2009, 05:17:37 PM »

Quote from: Harvey Birdman on May 18, 2009, 02:30:31 PM

Well, since Auburn has never done it in it's entire illustrious history dating back well over 100 years, I'd say it's anything but quitter talk. Add the fact that 85 scholarships have limited only an elite few to that status, outside a nice "Run" now and then, and I'll take 8-9 wins at a minimum each year with the occasional run at a MNC. If that ain't good enough, you're gonna' spend a lot of time being let down and heartbroken.

Ahem, excuse for a moment while I stop to point out the obvious. When you fire a winning coach (and we all know he was fired), announce that money is no object and then show up with a 4-19 chizik as your coaching hire..... yes yes you have in the eyes of anyone that knows a football has 2 pointy ends quit, surrenderd, given up or at the very best accepted a stride down to mediocrity as your target.

Now back to the regularly scheduled discussion.

Greaseyweasel · « **Reply #68 on:** May 18, 2009, 05:20:44 PM »

I think Kaos needs an ongoing thread this football season where he discusses which teams shit the bed.

Pell City Tiger · « **Reply #69 on:** May 18, 2009, 07:07:26 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on May 18, 2009, 03:23:54 PM

Neither was UF

Or Miami

Quote from: Bammer in Auburn Clothing on May 18, 2009, 03:23:54 PM

and then show up with a 4-19 chizik as your coaching hire

I thought it was 5-19

Greaseyweasel · « **Reply #70 on:** May 18, 2009, 08:26:24 PM »

Quote from: Pell City Tiger on May 18, 2009, 07:07:26 PM

Or MiamiI thought it was 5-19

I do not give him credit for barely beating a division II team.
And the name is Greaseyweasel, You may not agree with my views on the fuckstain of a coaching staff we have been sodomized with but don't ever confuse me with the mother fuckin' bammers

The Prowler · « **Reply #71 on:** May 18, 2009, 08:31:37 PM »

Quote from: Mother fuckin' bammer on May 18, 2009, 08:26:24 PM

I have been sodomized with the bammers

:thumbsup:

Greaseyweasel · « **Reply #72 on:** May 18, 2009, 09:14:16 PM »

Prowler stick to links to unsubtantiated internet rumors and chizik wet dreams. Humor requires a much much higher intellect than you are capable of.

Pell City Tiger · « **Reply #73 on:** May 19, 2009, 07:58:52 PM »

Quote from: Greaseyweasel on May 18, 2009, 08:26:24 PM

And the name is Greaseyweasel, You may not agree with my views on the fuckstain of a coaching staff we have been sodomized with but don't ever confuse me with the mother fuckin' bammers

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - well, I'm sure you've heard the rest.

JR4AU · « **Reply #74 on:** May 20, 2009, 11:18:11 AM »

Quote from: Pell City Tiger on May 19, 2009, 07:58:52 PM

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - well, I'm sure you've heard the rest.

Lets see if the math works out: Hates Pat Dye+Wants Chizik and Auburn to fail+says that even if Chizik won a NC it would still be bad for Auburn+Hates the Auburn family with such a passion he trolls Auburn boards spewing anti Auburn shit daily=GreaseyBammer

The Prowler · « **Reply #75 on:** May 20, 2009, 02:04:57 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on May 20, 2009, 11:18:11 AM

Lets see if the math works out: Hates Pat Dye+Wants Chizik and Auburn to fail+says that even if Chizik won a NC it would still be bad for Auburn+Hates the Auburn family with such a passion he trolls Auburn boards spewing anti Auburn shit daily=GreaseyBammer

he's not just a greasey bammer, he's a mother fuckin' bammer.

Greaseyweasel · « **Reply #76 on:** May 21, 2009, 10:08:35 PM »

No dumb fuck. Personnal issues with Pat "Quit right before NCAA probation caused by his paying players"Dye +Wants chizik the fuck gone before he causes Auburn to fail = A Hard core Auburn graduate who does not look forward to calling your stupid asses out for supporting the downfall of Auburn football when chizik is kicked to the curb and the rebuilding begins.
Nope sounds like a hard core Auburn supporter to me.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #77 on:** May 21, 2009, 10:35:26 PM »

Quote from: Greaseyweasel on May 21, 2009, 10:08:35 PM

No dumb fuck. Personnal issues with Pat "Quit right before NCAA probation caused by his paying players"Dye +Wants chizik the fuck gone before he causes Auburn to fail = A Hard core Auburn graduate who does not look forward to calling your stupid asses out for supporting the downfall of Auburn football when chizik is kicked to the curb and the rebuilding begins.
Nope sounds like a hard core Auburn supporter to me.

You've still yet to explain to us how you know with 100% certainty that Chizik will cause Auburn to fall.

The Prowler · « **Reply #78 on:** May 21, 2009, 10:47:52 PM »

greasey bammer, what are you going to do if Coach Chizik doesn't fail at Auburn, like (9-4) or better?

AUTiger1 · « **Reply #79 on:** May 21, 2009, 11:47:50 PM »

Quote from: Greaseyweasel on May 21, 2009, 10:08:35 PM

No dumb fuck. Personnal issues with Pat "Quit right before NCAA probation caused by his paying players"Dye +Wants chizik the fuck gone before he causes Auburn to fail = A Hard core Auburn graduate who does not look forward to calling your stupid asses out for supporting the downfall of Auburn football when chizik is kicked to the curb and the rebuilding begins.
Nope sounds like a hard core Auburn supporter to me.

I thought you didn't like Dye for trespassing on your granddaddy's farm or some shit?