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As I stand on my porch shaking my fist at the world asking..
« on: April 20, 2009, 12:55:01 PM »
What's this world coming to?

This is front page stuff on Fox and for the first time in a while, I'm actually pissed. I know, I know, spare me all the pageant jokes and Ms. North Carolina's melt down etc.  I'm just hacked that a question like this was asked in the first place, in this setting..then the backlash that followed.  I'm not posting this to rail against gays or gay marriage. That's not the debate.  The issue for me is that this girl was asked a direct question and gave a very straight forward answer, based on her beliefs. These fucking people act as if this is not a hot button, controversial issue.  Guess what, it's controversial because there are a lot of people who think gay marriage is wrong.  It's not a handful of wackos that feel that way.

The issue is the question should never have been asked in the first place.  But, if you do ask it, are you prepared to accept that someone might have an opposing view point?  What the hell did they want her to do, agree with them?  Don't answer that.  The girl didn't try to impose her will on anyone or protest or do anything other than say, "You asked me what I believe and here's what I believe.  I was raised to believe marriage should be between an man and a woman." 

Miss California Sparks Furor With Gay Marriage Comments on Miss USA Telecast
Monday, April 20, 2009 


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 Miss North Carolina Kristen Dalton was crowned Miss USA on Sunday, but the big story to come out of the normally politics-free telecast was Miss California's comments regarding gay marriage.

When asked by judge Perez Hilton, an openly gay gossip blogger, whether she believed in gay marriage, Miss California, Carrie Prejean, said "We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite. And you know what, I think in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that's how I was raised."

Keith Lewis, who runs the Miss California competition, tells FOXNews.com that he was "saddened" by Prejean's statement.

"As co-director of the Miss California USA, I am personally saddened and hurt that Miss California believes marriage rights belong only to a man and a woman," said Lewis in a statement. "I believe all religions should be able to ordain what unions they see fit. I do not believe our government should be able to discriminate against anyone and religious beliefs have no politics in the Miss California family."

Co-director Shanna Moakler told FOXNews.com that she fully supported Lewis' statement.

PHOTOS: Hot pics from last night's exciting show.

Miss California's answer sparked a shouting match in the lobby after the show. "It's ugly," said Scott Ihrig, a gay man, who attended the pageant with his partner. "I think it's ridiculous that she got first runner-up. That is not the value of 95 percent of the people in this audience. Look around this audience and tell me how many gay men there are."

Charmaine Koonce, the mother of Miss New Mexico USA Bianca Matamoros-Koonce, argued back.

"In the Bible it says marriage is between Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!"

POP TARTS: More on Miss California's "gay marriage answer" controversy.

The pageant had enjoyed a scandal-free year until earlier this month, when Miss Universe 2008 Dayana Mendoza was skewered for a blog posting from a trip to Guantanamo Bay. The entry described having "aloooot of fun" at a base that houses the notorious military prison; it was later deleted from the pageant's Web site.

You Decide: Did Miss California's answer cost her the crown?

The winner, Miss North Carolina Kristen Dalton, a 22-year-old aspiring motivational speaker and entertainer from Wilmington, edged out first runner-up Miss California, and second runner-up Miss Arizona USA Alicia-Monique Blanco, of Phoenix.

"It feels really natural," Dalton said of her win. "I've worked so be here and this has been my lifelong dream and it's finally here. And whoever knew you could win in a turquoise gown?"

Contestants from all 50 states and the District of Columbia competed in the pageant, aired live on NBC. Contestants were judged by their performance in swimsuit and evening gown modeling contests and their responses to a question asked onstage; unlike the rival Miss America pageant, Miss USA contestants do not perform a talent.

The top 15 contestants worked the stage in white string bikinis designed by pop star Jessica Simpson's swimwear line. Rocker Kevin Rudolf performed his song "Let it Rock," followed by The Veronicas, who performed their single "Untouched" as the top 10 beauties showed off their choice of glittering evening gowns.

Dalton's was a flowing, blue Grecian number that stood out among a series of white gowns.

Her title comes with a year's use of a New York apartment, a public relations team, a two-year scholarship at the New York Film Academy and an undisclosed salary.

She also will go to the Bahamas in August to compete in the Miss Universe pageant, where American beauties haven't been lucky in recent years. Both Miss USA 2008 Crystle Stewart and her predecessor, Rachel Smith, wiped out on stage during the evening gown competition, becoming accidental YouTube stars.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Re: As I stand on my porch shaking my fist at the world asking..
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2009, 01:02:18 PM »
I'm with you counselor.  A lot of people are all for free speech until they get an answer that they are not expecting or do not like.
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Re: As I stand on my porch shaking my fist at the world asking..
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2009, 01:13:52 PM »
I'm with you counselor.  A lot of people are all for free speech until they get an answer that they are not expecting or do not like.

Fuck those stupid fags.  I'm sick and tired of minorities trying to control every fucking thing. 

Gays = Less than 10% of the population.
Blacks = Less than 15% of the population.

FUCK them ALL.  To HELL with their agendas and their issues. 

What the bleeding fuck ever happened to MAJORITY FUCKING RULE?
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2009, 01:18:17 PM »
Fuck those stupid fags.  I'm sick and tired of minorities trying to control every fucking thing. 

Gays = Less than 10% of the population.
Blacks = Less than 15% of the population.

FUCK them ALL.  To HELL with their agendas and their issues. 

What the bleeding fuck ever happened to MAJORITY FUCKING RULE?

It left since someone getting hurt feelings is more important.
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"Hey my friends are the ones that wanted to eat at that shitty hole in the wall that only served bread and wine.  What kind of brick and mud business model is that.  Stick to the cart if that's all you're going to serve.  Then that dude came in with like 12 other people, and some of them weren't even wearing shoes, and the restaurant sat them right across from us. It was gross, and they were all stinky and dirty.  Then dude starts talking about eating his body and drinking his blood...I almost lost it.  That's the last supper I'll ever have there, and I hope he dies a horrible death."

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Re: As I stand on my porch shaking my fist at the world asking..
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2009, 01:21:57 PM »
I believe Kinsey's 10% has been refuted. Most agree that 3 -5 % of the US population are gay. And blacks have dropped to around 11% while hispanics have risen to around 13%.

Even so, if we flush them all, we will be better off. I see what you are saying.




















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4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2009, 01:31:40 PM »
It left since someone getting hurt feelings is more important.

Fuck their feelings.  You think I give one kernel of corn in a pile of shit about somebody's fucking FEELINGS? 

Hell in a handbasket, boys.  Hell in a handbasket. 

The Mayans and that Nostradumbass fuck may have 2012 pegged. 
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Re: As I stand on my porch shaking my fist at the world asking..
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2009, 01:39:03 PM »
Here is my opinion, I don't really fucking care.  She could stand up there and say, "I think Taylor is a heterosexual douchebag."  You know what would happen, nothing.  (Besides the fact that I might actually hire Bubba the Horse Cock to run the gravy train on her...but that is purely for pleasure, not spite.)
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Re: As I stand on my porch shaking my fist at the world asking..
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2009, 01:43:50 PM »
"Laws made by common consent must not be trampled on by individuals." --Thomas Jefferson to Garret Vanmeter, 1781

"Where the law of the majority ceases to be acknowledged, there government ends" ---Thomas Jefferson

"The measures of the fair majority... ought always to be respected." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1792

"The fundamental principle of [a common government of associated States] is that the will of the majority is to prevail." --Thomas Jefferson to William Eustis, 1809

But what hell did he know, right?
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Re: As I stand on my porch shaking my fist at the world asking..
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2009, 02:12:05 PM »
What gets me is the girl even prefaced it by saying she doesn't mean to offend anyone....this is just what I was raised to believe. 

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Re: As I stand on my porch shaking my fist at the world asking..
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2009, 02:46:01 PM »
What gets me is the girl even prefaced it by saying she doesn't mean to offend anyone....this is just what I was raised to believe. 


I'll bet her daddy clings to his guns and religion too.
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Re: As I stand on my porch shaking my fist at the world asking..
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2009, 03:09:53 PM »
I'm almost stunned that someone from California holds such a view on gay marriage but, like Buzz Killington, I'll bet her Dad is a bitter gun owner who clings to God and religion.
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2009, 03:54:38 PM »
"Laws made by common consent must not be trampled on by individuals." --Thomas Jefferson to Garret Vanmeter, 1781

"Where the law of the majority ceases to be acknowledged, there government ends" ---Thomas Jefferson

"The measures of the fair majority... ought always to be respected." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1792

"The fundamental principle of [a common government of associated States] is that the will of the majority is to prevail." --Thomas Jefferson to William Eustis, 1809

But what hell did he know, right?
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2009, 09:33:49 AM »
While I agree for the most part (and yeah, the entire audience loudly applauded this "controversial" statement), some of you guys scare me...

Fuck those stupid fags.  I'm sick and tired of minorities trying to control every fucking thing. 

Gays = Less than 10% of the population.
Blacks = Less than 15% of the population.

FUCK them ALL.  To HELL with their agendas and their issues. 

What the bleeding fuck ever happened to MAJORITY FUCKING RULE?
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I believe Kinsey's 10% has been refuted. Most agree that 3 -5 % of the US population are gay. And blacks have dropped to around 11% while hispanics have risen to around 13%.

Even so, if we flush them all, we will be better off. I see what you are saying.


Both sides of this are way too sensitive. I wish I had a clip of Ms. California on MSNBC just now. They showed Perez Hilton's response where he calls her a bitch and then they cut out and then with the most wide-eyed, open-jawed, utterly serious-business face imaginable go "And we have to cut out here, because then...he called you the "C" word...What do you have to say about that?" And Ms. California, equally serious responds "All I can say is that I am praying for him."

Don't get me wrong, I certainly think it's more ridiculous that it was a controversy to begin with that she has a majority opinion. If she would have worded it similar to the above quoted posts, I'd totally understand the firestorm...but this?
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2009, 10:09:36 AM »
While I agree for the most part (and yeah, the entire audience loudly applauded this "controversial" statement), some of you guys scare me...
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Don't get me wrong, I certainly think it's more ridiculous that it was a controversy to begin with that she has a majority opinion. If she would have worded it similar to the above quoted posts, I'd totally understand the firestorm...but this?

As is becoming all-too-familiar in this country, anyone who publicly voices a Christian-based opinion gets publicly vilified.  On the other hand, I'm sure that if she added that "my Muslim faith teaches..." followed by saying precisely what she said she would have been lauded.  So goes this society we live in.

The young lady obviously meant no offense and said as much but the radical gay mafia has it out for anybody who stands against their same-sex marriage agenda; especially evil, insensitive Christians (this girl didn't say she was but I suspect that to be the case). 

Like you, Chizad, I think this is a ridiculous controversy.
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Re: As I stand on my porch shaking my fist at the world asking..
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2009, 10:42:13 AM »
When folks ask me what I think, I tell them I think a 400lb queer is a big cocksucker.
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2009, 02:47:01 PM »
You got it wrong, Chizad... Not Hitler. 




Wallace has it.  Do you?
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2009, 03:25:41 PM »
My old governor can kick your old governor's ass.
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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2009, 03:30:07 PM »
My old governor can kick your old governor's ass.

I doubt it.  Jesse was a fake fighter.  GCW was a Golden Gloves boxer.  Prime to prime?  He whips "The Body" like a rented mule.
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2009, 03:50:32 PM »
I doubt it.  Jesse was a fake fighter.  GCW was a Golden Gloves boxer.  Prime to prime?  He whips "The Body" like a rented mule.
I ain't talking about Marquess of Queensbury rules. Jesse was a navy SEAL in his prime who would have pulled Wallace's head off and shit down his neck.
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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2009, 04:28:15 PM »
I ain't talking about Marquess of Queensbury rules. Jesse was a navy SEAL in his prime who would have pulled Wallace's head off and shit down his neck.

Gotta' go with the body on this one.  Dude was in the best damn movie ever made...Predator...and he carried around a 525 lb. machine gun that he tore off a chopper and shot 18 Gwazzillion bullets per second, all the while chewin and spittin Red Man and sayin', "I ain't got time to bleed."

Jesse would fuck Wallace up...quick!
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