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The Truth About Maersk Alabama
« on: April 17, 2009, 08:26:13 PM »
My boss went to U of Virginia for undergrad.  From a friend of his.  I am nauseous.  I suspected as much.  Decisive action my ass.  There should be a crater in Somalia for every day of the standoff and a crater for every hostage killed subsequent to the recent news that they plan to target Americans in the future.  This should have been a routine training exercise, not a four day empowerment class for terrorists.  Ronald Reagan is rolling in his grave. 

Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.

2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger

3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction

4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.

5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams

6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies

7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.

So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.

Read the following accurate account.

Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken.

The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States, Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.

The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.

After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided he’d had enough.

Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.

There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.

Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.

Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort. What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2009, 12:06:57 AM »
And the headlines today show Irocked Yomama shaking hands and rubbing penises with none other than Hugo Chavez like two long lost fuck buddies.  Wow...we gots us some change.
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2009, 12:19:31 AM »
This country is becoming fucked up as a football bat.
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2009, 02:13:37 AM »
And the headlines today show Irocked Yomama shaking hands and rubbing penises with none other than Hugo Chavez like two long lost fuck buddies.  Wow...we gots us some change.

 :puke:

I don't really have the words to express how pissed and sickened that makes me......of course they both love socialism and total government control so it doesn't surprise me in the least.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2009, 12:33:23 PM »
:puke:

I don't really have the words to express how pissed and sickened that makes me......of course they both love socialism and total government control so it doesn't surprise me in the least.
Lets go down there and kick his ass and take his oil.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2009, 01:40:49 PM »
Lets go down there and kick his ass and take his oil.

I think we should go to Washington and kick some other ass first. 
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2009, 01:50:39 PM »
I think we should go to Washington and kick some other ass first. 

Agree 100%


Lets go down there and kick his ass and take his oil.

Nah, lets just go down there after the above is taken care of and kick his ass for being a socialist douchebag.
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Re: The Truth About Maersk Alabama
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2009, 01:53:44 PM »
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Ronald Reagan is rolling in his grave.
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Indeed.  So is Theodore Roosevelt and Thomas Jefferson.
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2009, 02:01:26 PM »
And the headlines today show Irocked Yomama shaking hands and rubbing penises with none other than Hugo Chavez like two long lost fuck buddies.  Wow...we gots us some change.

Thought that I'd post this pic here too for s's and g's (and for consistency and so you all could see your president with a thug):

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-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
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The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2009, 02:15:16 PM »
Thought that I'd post this pic here too for s's and g's (and for consistency and so you all could see your president with a thug):



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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2009, 02:57:07 PM »
:puke:

Follow this link to "CoMITTedtoRomney" to see an additional sickening picture of The ONE with The Thug:

http://committedtoromney.com/2009/04/20/how-much-more-evil-can-we-get/

I like one of the comments on this site "The White House Christmas Card photo right there..."!
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The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2009, 10:06:16 AM »
My boss went to U of Virginia for undergrad.  From a friend of his.  I am nauseous.  I suspected as much.  Decisive action my ass.  There should be a crater in Somalia for every day of the standoff and a crater for every hostage killed subsequent to the recent news that they plan to target Americans in the future.  This should have been a routine training exercise, not a four day empowerment class for terrorists.  Ronald Reagan is rolling in his grave. 

Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.

2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger

3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction

4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.

5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams

6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies

7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.

So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.

Read the following accurate account.

Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken.

The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States, Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.

The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.

After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided he’d had enough.

Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.

There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.

Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.

Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort. What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
I sent this to snopes. This just sounds fishy to me.
It came from a friend of a friend to begin with- clue #1.
Ronald Reagan citation-Someone is a Republican- clue #2.
Talked to some Seals pals-I have a first cousin in the Seals and he does not say anything about what he does-clue #3.
Read the following accurate account.  Does this mean the above information is not accurate? clue #4.
no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.

After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided he’d had enough. Nope, doesn't work like that. He had permission all along, it was his option as to when to use it. Clue#5.
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2009, 10:12:04 AM »
I sent this to snopes. This just sounds fishy to me.
It came from a friend of a friend to begin with- clue #1.
Ronald Reagan citation-Someone is a Republican- clue #2.
Talked to some Seals pals-I have a first cousin in the Seals and he does not say anything about what he does-clue #3.
Read the following accurate account.  Does this mean the above information is not accurate? clue #4.
no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.

After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided he’d had enough. Nope, doesn't work like that. He had permission all along, it was his option as to when to use it. Clue#5.


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The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: The Truth About Maersk Alabama
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2009, 10:27:27 AM »
I sent this to snopes. This just sounds fishy to me.
It came from a friend of a friend to begin with- clue #1.
Ronald Reagan citation-Someone is a Republican- clue #2.
Talked to some Seals pals-I have a first cousin in the Seals and he does not say anything about what he does-clue #3.
Read the following accurate account.  Does this mean the above information is not accurate? clue #4.
no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.

After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided he’d had enough. Nope, doesn't work like that. He had permission all along, it was his option as to when to use it. Clue#5.

It was not from a friend of a friend - it was from my boss's best friend from college who still lives in Virginia.  My boss forwarded it directly to me, and it still had his friend's contact information attached - I cleaned all that up before I posted it.  The highlighted stuff at the beginning of the post was text I WROTE.  The Ronald Reagan quote was MY TEXT. 
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2009, 01:23:45 AM »
It was not from a friend of a friend - it was from my boss's best friend from college who still lives in Virginia.  My boss forwarded it directly to me, and it still had his friend's contact information attached - I cleaned all that up before I posted it.  The highlighted stuff at the beginning of the post was text I WROTE.  The Ronald Reagan quote was MY TEXT. 

This is the one I got from a cousin in Texas. He didn't clean the addresses up, so it appears to be in wide circulation. A little different at the start, coming from an Admiral this time. I have received this from 3 other folks also in the last few days. One more with the Admiral opening and the others with just the main body of work.
I think this could be very well be true. But, I also think this has a fishy smell of propoganda about it, circulated by someone with a vast catalog of email addresses. It has certainly spread far and wide in short order. Maybe your boss could ask his friend if the friend was there or was this something he, too, merely passed along. It would be cool if he was the originator of such a popular message. Just saying.
I went back and looked at the chain and there were a bunch of Cargill.com addys in there.

 
This was passed on to me, but it sounds logical

Got this from a friend who is a retired admiral.  looks like Obama and his administration are trying to take credit for the rescue when in reality they prolonged the situation.  This bunch of inexperienced clowns are just might ruin this Country in the next 4 years.
 

 

 

The real story of Obama's Decision Making with the hostages.

 

 

Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1.  BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.
2.  Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger
3.  The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4.  When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions.  As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5.  BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams
6.  Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage.  4 hours later, 3 dead raggies
7.  BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour.  As usual with him, it's BS.


Read the following accurate account.


Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken.

 The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States ,
Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.


The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate   from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.


After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided he’d had enough.

 Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s   life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.


Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.


There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.


Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.


Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.

What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its   team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2009, 05:22:25 PM »
Verified this with an old buddy of mine last night - active duty Senior Chief Petty Officer serving in NSWU-2. Said the CO of the Bainbridge is now facing possible administrative action over the incident. He could potentially lose his command and forced into retirement, depending on the outcome.
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2009, 08:51:09 PM »
Verified this with an old buddy of mine last night - active duty Senior Chief Petty Officer serving in NSWU-2. Said the CO of the Bainbridge is now facing possible administrative action over the incident. He could potentially lose his command and forced into retirement, depending on the outcome.
Are you saying that the commander didn't have permission to use deadly force at all?
That decision made the SEALS, the commander, the Navy and the POTUS all look good.
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2009, 01:03:59 AM »
From what he said, it went down very close to how it was described. The word that came down from Washington was that there would be a political resolution to this standoff. They (the Navy) had the opportunity several times to end the situation, but were specifically told (ordered) to hold their fire. When these assholes (the pirates) started taking wild assed shots at the ship, the on scene commander - the CO - decided the risk to his sailors standing watch topside (outside the skin of the ship) required him to follow the standard rules of engagement for our naval vessels. He (my bud) didn't mention anything about imminent danger to the hostage being the go=no go criteria for taking the shots. His main concern was the risk presented to his crew. The order was given to fire when the targets presented a clean shot. Now, the CO is in hot water for making this decision. Technically, he disobeyed an order. Realistically, he made the right call by following standard rules of engagement.
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2009, 06:12:11 PM »
From what he said, it went down very close to how it was described. The word that came down from Washington was that there would be a political resolution to this standoff. They (the Navy) had the opportunity several times to end the situation, but were specifically told (ordered) to hold their fire. When these assholes (the pirates) started taking wild assed shots at the ship, the on scene commander - the CO - decided the risk to his sailors standing watch topside (outside the skin of the ship) required him to follow the standard rules of engagement for our naval vessels. He (my bud) didn't mention anything about imminent danger to the hostage being the go=no go criteria for taking the shots. His main concern was the risk presented to his crew. The order was given to fire when the targets presented a clean shot. Now, the CO is in hot water for making this decision. Technically, he disobeyed an order. Realistically, he made the right call by following standard rules of engagement.
I'll bet the hostage would tell Mr. Obama that the pirates were indeed sho nuff gonna kill him with NO problem.
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Re: The Truth About Maersk Alabama
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2009, 07:39:43 AM »
From what he said, it went down very close to how it was described. The word that came down from Washington was that there would be a political resolution to this standoff. They (the Navy) had the opportunity several times to end the situation, but were specifically told (ordered) to hold their fire. When these assholes (the pirates) started taking wild assed shots at the ship, the on scene commander - the CO - decided the risk to his sailors standing watch topside (outside the skin of the ship) required him to follow the standard rules of engagement for our naval vessels. He (my bud) didn't mention anything about imminent danger to the hostage being the go=no go criteria for taking the shots. His main concern was the risk presented to his crew. The order was given to fire when the targets presented a clean shot. Now, the CO is in hot water for making this decision. Technically, he disobeyed an order. Realistically, he made the right call by following standard rules of engagement.

I cannot say I am surprised.  I hope you can keep tabs on this chief so a few of us can scream from the rooftops if the commander sees ANY disciplinary action.
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