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So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« on: February 17, 2009, 09:36:24 AM »
http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/sports/1234865753130480.xml&coll=1

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Chizik targets in-state recruits
Tuesday, February 17, 2009
By EVAN WOODBERY
Times Auburn Writer evan.woodbery@htimes.com

Coach pledges to make homegrown talent a priority

AUBURN - For a coach who has twice proclaimed his aversion to "multi-tasking," the last two months have been taxing.

But when Gene Chizik pulled up a chair and sat down with a small group of reporters Monday, he could point to a few tasks crossed off his list.

National Signing Day is in the rear-view mirror. As of Sunday, his coaching staff is complete. He has more than a month to prepare for spring practice. The pace of his typical day is still hectic, but no longer overbearing.

"We're so busy and we hit the ground running and we really haven't stopped yet," Chizik said.

When he sticks his head outside his second-floor office at the Auburn athletic complex, Chizik will find a fan base largely excited by the staff he assembled, and its aggressive approach to recruiting.

Chizik, recruiting coordinator and running backs coach Curtis Luper and defensive line coach Tracy Rocker met with reporters Monday in separate 20-minutes sessions.

The interviews shed light on Auburn's recruiting strategy going into the 2010 signing class. Luper and Chizik said they would assign seven coaches to different territories in Alabama to emphasize their commitment to in-state recruiting, which has suffered in recent years.

Chizik said Alabama will be the first priority.

"This state has great football," he said. "We just want to make sure we don't miss one of them. We want to be in the game with every one of them that we need to be in the game with. We don't want guys to be spread too thin. We don't want to send guys all the way out over here when we've got one in our own backyard."

Luper, who gave up the title of assistant head coach when he left Oklahoma State, said Chizik assigned him the recruiting coordinator position as a "reward" for his hard work.

"You know I'm a military man, right?" Luper said. "One of the basic elements of the military is that you protect your border. So we've got to protect our border. We're going to start right here in this state. There'll be seven of us, and actually there'll be eight, because Coach Chizik will be the eighth.

"We need the No. 1 recruiting class in the country. That's what I want. That's my goal."

Unlike most assistant coaches, Luper doesn't profess to despise or ignore recruiting rankings.

"If they're keeping score, you want to win, right?"

Still, he said, a player's value can't be captured in a star.

"You still have to evaluate if he fits into your system," Luper said. "If he's a three-star and you think he's the best offensive tackle in the country, then you take him. A lot of people get caught up in, 'He signed so many four-stars, or so many five-stars...' You still have to do a thorough evaluation process."

Chizik hired secondary coaches Tommy Thigpen and Phillip Lolley to complete his on-field coaching staff Sunday, and added Iowa State assistant Scott Fountain on Monday for what will probably be the staff's top administrative role.

Fountain, 42, spent the last two years on Chizik's staff at Iowa State and had been retained by new coach Paul Rhoads. After playing for Terry Bowden at Samford, Fountain made high school coaching stops at Flomaton, W.S. Neal, Frisco City and Monroe County. He later had college stints at Florida State, Central Florida, Middle Tennessee State and Georgia Southern.

Chizik did not say what Fountain's title would be at Auburn.

"He was a position coach on the field at Iowa State and this is a big step for him as far as coming off the field, but (he understands) the importance of this position here and what it will mean to Auburn," Chizik said.

Chizik also said that Ben Thomas, a former Auburn player currently serving as the department's event management director, would join the football program in an undetermined administrative role.

This article has not set well with the bammers. I was listening to the OD this morning and Jay Barker and all the callers were hammering Al over this "Propaganda". "If you're a military guy, and that's your strategy, why say it publicly?" "He's just sayin that to make the barners feel better." And I swear to God I already heard "Saban don't want the in state recruits next year anyway."
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2009, 09:48:26 AM »
And the Charles Goldberg version that says basically the same thing...
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Eight from Auburn University to recruit in Alabama
Tuesday, February 17, 2009
CHARLES GOLDBERG
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AUBURN - Recruiting coordinator Curtis Luper has a new plan for Auburn's search for football players. Throw coaches at Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Oklahoma and Texas, plus North Carolina and up the East Coast, maybe all the way to New Jersey.

But Luper has something special planned for the state of Alabama.


He said Monday that Auburn will assign seven coaches to recruit the state. Make it eight if you throw in head coach Gene Chizik.

Tommy Tuberville's staff basically had three assistants recruiting the state the past 10 years.

Luper, an Army vet, will employ new tactics.

``One of the basic elements of the military is that you protect your border," Luper said. "So we got to protect our border. We're going to start right here in this state."

Chizik said Monday the Tigers are behind in recruiting for 2010 because the new staff got off to such a late start for 2009. Chizik, hired Dec. 13, didn't hire his last two assistants until Sunday.

Luper's plans are ambitious. The tentative plans call for seven coaches to recruit Alabama, five coaches to recruit Georgia, and four to recruit Florida. Of course, coaches will have more than one area, especially since colleges have only nine assistants.

Auburn is willing to expand recruiting to Texas and Oklahoma, where Luper, Chizik and Trooper Taylor have coached; and to North Carolina and up the coast, where newcomer Terry Thigpen has worked.

Luper has already divided up Alabama: He says two assistants will recruit south Alabama, two will recruit north Alabama, one will recruit Birmingham, another will recruit Montgomery and another will recruit Lee County and cross over to Columbus and LaGrange, Ga.

"You got to have a starting point and a home base and this state will be it," Chizik said. "And then after that, we'll move outside the state."

Luper also took an un-Tuberville approach to recruiting rankings. While Tuberville dismissed them, Luper said he might as well pay attention to them because ``if you keep score, you want to win."

But Luper cautioned he would not get caught up in star rankings for players. ``You have to evaluate," he said.

Luper, like Chizik, said Auburn has to play catchup in recruiting.

``When we were solidifying the `09 class, everybody else was working on the 2010 class. We're behind," he said.

But Luper also said his 2009 class was able to deliver.

``We didn't want to `salvage' the class. We wanted to have an impact class. In certain areas, we did," he said.

Chizik said his point of recruiting emphasis for 2010 will be offensive linemen. Auburn didn't bring in one in 2008 and signed two this year.

``We need upgrades everywhere but that's glaring," Chizik said.

He hasn't decided which positions his last two hires, Tommy Thigpen and Phillip Lolley, will coach, though one will get cornerbacks and the other will get safeties, he said.

Chizik also said he has hired Scott Fountain for an administrative role. The native of East Brewton and former Samford player was Chizik's tight ends and recruiting coordinator at Iowa State the past two seasons. Fountain was a high school coach in Alabama for six years before coaching in college for the past 15 years.

Chizik also said event management director Ben Thomas will have a new administrative role. Chizik did not identify the roles of Fountain or Thomas. Check out Goldberg's blog at http://blog.al.com/goldmine/ cgoldberg@bhamnews.com
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2009, 09:50:33 AM »
Damn Chizik.  Why is he totally abandoning the fertile recruiting grounds of Texas.  Damn him.
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2009, 09:50:51 AM »
It just moved.
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2009, 09:51:32 AM »
Damn Chizik.  Why is he totally abandoning the fertile recruiting grounds of Texas.  Damn him.

Where the hell is Pennsylvania in the equation?
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2009, 09:55:58 AM »
Hat. 
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2009, 10:09:19 AM »
Hat. 

Not trying to flame here...but do youreally think that every person on the staff is just hat? DO you think that every coach that works for the Auburn Football department is all talk?
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2009, 10:12:19 AM »
Ahhh, so I guess NOW recruiting rankings matter. I guess all that you guys have said about recruiting rankings not meaning anything changes now since your coaches openly say they do matter. I think its great that Alabama is setting the standard for what AU coaches would like to achieve. You think Alabama fans are scared? Please, when another in-state team has to deploy their ENTIRE coaching staff to one state, when we only commit 2 maybe 3 guys, which team is scared?
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2009, 10:13:30 AM »
Kevin would rather be right than have Auburn succeed. Fact.
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2009, 10:14:25 AM »
Ahhh, so I guess NOW recruiting rankings matter. I guess all that you guys have said about recruiting rankings not meaning anything changes now since your coaches openly say they do matter. I think its great that Alabama is setting the standard for what AU coaches would like to achieve. You think Alabama fans are scared? Please, when another in-state team has to deploy their ENTIRE coaching staff to one state, when we only commit 2 maybe 3 guys, which team is scared?

 :rofl:

Classic example of why we hate you guys. You think that the fucking world revolves around you. No one in this article said a fucking word about Alabama or what they do. Luper has put together a plan about how he is going to attack recruiting and I highly doubt it has a fucking thing to do with Alabama. You are so fucking full of shit...
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2009, 10:14:34 AM »
Ahhh, so I guess NOW recruiting rankings matter. I guess all that you guys have said about recruiting rankings not meaning anything changes now since your coaches openly say they do matter. I think its great that Alabama is setting the standard for what AU coaches would like to achieve. You think Alabama fans are scared? Please, when another in-state team has to deploy their ENTIRE coaching staff to one state, when we only commit 2 maybe 3 guys, which team is scared?
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Still, he said, a player's value can't be captured in a star.

"You still have to evaluate if he fits into your system," Luper said. "If he's a three-star and you think he's the best offensive tackle in the country, then you take him. A lot of people get caught up in, 'He signed so many four-stars, or so many five-stars...' You still have to do a thorough evaluation process."
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2009, 11:18:06 AM »
Ahhh, so I guess NOW recruiting rankings matter. I guess all that you guys have said about recruiting rankings not meaning anything changes now since your coaches openly say they do matter. I think its great that Alabama is setting the standard for what AU coaches would like to achieve. You think Alabama fans are scared? Please, when another in-state team has to deploy their ENTIRE coaching staff to one state, when we only commit 2 maybe 3 guys, which team is scared?

How bout' a nice, piping hot cup of shut the fuck up?
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2009, 11:18:22 AM »
Not trying to flame here...but do youreally think that every person on the staff is just hat? DO you think that every coach that works for the Auburn Football department is all talk?

It was just funny to say. 

 
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2009, 11:19:11 AM »
Kevin would rather be right than have Auburn succeed. Fact.

Fact.  Your ass is not a hole in the ground, despite your inability to determine the difference.  Fact.

Fact. You would derive more pleasure from Kaos being wrong than you would Auburn's success. Fact.
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2009, 11:19:44 AM »
:rofl:

Classic example of why we hate you guys. You think that the fucking world revolves around you. No one in this article said a fucking word about Alabama or what they do. Luper has put together a plan about how he is going to attack recruiting and I highly doubt it has a fucking thing to do with Alabama. You are so fucking full of shit...
I think it was extreme pandering, really. Some AU fans are nervous about how CNS has been able to cherry pick the talent in-state. That same group of fans is probably not among the Prowler/Chopper crowd who idolize Chizik and see him as their messiah. I don't think the world revolves around us. Alabama is only on the cusp of being relevant on the national scene again. And for that matter, that may be put off another 2 years depending on how this QB thing goes in 09. We're not there yet, but we're close. But I think we have made alot of folks in Lee County a little nervous the past few years. If you can't admit that, then you're full of shit as well. I see that article as an attempt to calm the masses.  

The past two years all we've heard is "recruiting rankings don't matter", blah blah blah. And now an AU coach says that they do matter. If you think some of their strategy isn't influenced by what is going on at Alabama, you are full of shit. In fact, the strategy laid out and the way it was laid out seems to be a direct counter to Alabama.

Alabama has owned the state the past two years.
The entire AU staff will recruit Alabama and set up a perimiter.

Alabama has landed a number one recruiting class.
Auburn is going to have a number one recruiting class.

etc, etc.
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2009, 11:24:52 AM »

Alabama has owned the state the past two years.
The entire AU staff will recruit Alabama and set up a perimiter.


For what it's worth?  Alabama usually "wins" the in-state battles.  When you guys were "winning" Brodie Croyle and "winning" Tyler Watts and dorks like that, it really didn't make a shit.  Win away. The last couple of years, though, the talent in this state has been a higher caliber.  So nothing really changed other than Overhype Jones and Fat Baby Andre is who you're getting instead of losers like Watts.
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2009, 11:31:07 AM »
I think it was extreme pandering, really. Some AU fans are nervous about how CNS has been able to cherry pick the talent in-state. That same group of fans is probably not among the Prowler/Chopper crowd who idolize Chizik and see him as their messiah. I don't think the world revolves around us. Alabama is only on the cusp of being relevant on the national scene again. And for that matter, that may be put off another 2 years depending on how this QB thing goes in 09. We're not there yet, but we're close. But I think we have made alot of folks in Lee County a little nervous the past few years. If you can't admit that, then you're full of shit as well. I see that article as an attempt to calm the masses.  

The past two years all we've heard is "recruiting rankings don't matter", blah blah blah. And now an AU coach says that they do matter. If you think some of their strategy isn't influenced by what is going on at Alabama, you are full of shit. In fact, the strategy laid out and the way it was laid out seems to be a direct counter to Alabama.

Alabama has owned the state the past two years.
The entire AU staff will recruit Alabama and set up a perimiter.

Alabama has landed a number one recruiting class.
Auburn is going to have a number one recruiting class.

etc, etc.

I stand by my original post of your full of shit...I don't think Luper said "hmmm, everyone in Lee County seems nervous about Alabama, so I will say this to calm them down". I think it was more in the "what plan can I put in place to make Auburn and the coaches that work here be the most successful at recruiting that we can possibly be". To think that Auburn puts a plan together soley around what Alabama is doing wreaks of arrogance...
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2009, 11:32:11 AM »
I stand by my original post of your full of shit...I don't think Luper said "hmmm, everyone in Lee County seems nervous about Alabama, so I will say this to calm them down". I think it was more in the "what plan can I put in place to make Auburn and the coaches that work here be the most successful at recruiting that we can possibly be". To think that Auburn puts a plan together soley around what Alabama is doing wreaks of arrogance...

It reeks of it, too.
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Re: So Much For That Hysteria Over Abandoning The State, Kevin....
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2009, 12:10:10 PM »
Fact.  Your ass is not a hole in the ground, despite your inability to determine the difference.  Fact.

Fact. You would derive more pleasure from Kaos being wrong than you would Auburn's success. Fact.
Nice "I know you are but what am I" defense, Pee-Wee.

Too bad it's all hat no cow.

I like you, and have up until recently respected your opinions. You have got to get out of this funk and acknowledge the positives coming from this coaching staff.
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2009, 12:33:31 PM »
Nice "I know you are but what am I" defense, Pee-Wee.

Too bad it's all hat no cow.

I like you, and have up until recently respected your opinions. You have got to get out of this funk and acknowledge the positives coming from this coaching staff.



Awwww... you like me. 

Where's my fucking valentine's day card, huh?  You break it off right before so you don't have to give me a present, is that it?  Yeah? Well fuck you, mister!!

I've never said Chiz will fail.  Only that he is more likely to than even Tuberville. 

I've never said I WANT Chiz to fail.  Only that based on his history, I fear (deeply) the damage he could do.

I never said he didn't hire a good staff. I never said anything either way, really.  Want to see something first (beyond talk).

I never said he was recruiting only Texas.  I looked at his history at ISU -- where his first move was to barge into Texas and try to get recruits -- and wondered what kind if strategy he was seriously going to employ, because IMO a Texas-first-based concept was a fuck up. 

I never even said I want to be right.  I want to be wrong.  Even though it would give certain dimbulbs the chance to dance a victory dance for the first time in their lives, I want to be wrong.  But my instincts were right about Franklin.  My instincts were right about Mike Price.  My instincts have been right a lot more than they've been wrong.  And they're still making noise.  Not as much, but still noisy.  It certainly doesn't help the case at all when you've got one or two people telling me exactly the same things today they were saying three weeks into Franklin's tenure (when my soul was aching). 

I like to make fun of AUVolcano.. I mean Chopper.  I like to poke Prowler's cage.  Because both of them can get so far up Chizik's ass I can see their eyeballs if he burps.   Chopper was that far up Franklin's ass, too with his vaguely gay condecension. How'd that work out? 

Look, here's the thing I can't get past.  I've seen some of you guys say stuff about Mack Brown not winning his first two years. Or Johnny Majors struggling at first.  But the point is that Brown didn't get to double his salary and take a big time job after failing for two years.  He had to learn -- over eight more seasons -- what winning meant and how to do it.   Texas didn't call on him until he'd proved he could put ten wins on the board multiple times. Majors didn't get to jump after two years (two years that were an improvement over his predecessor, BTW) to a major program.  He had to work his way up.   Chizik didn't.  Yeah, Brown at Texas and Majors at Tennessee turned into pretty good coaches, but they didn't go to Texas or Tennessee until they'd proved they were ready.  Chizik hasn't. He put in two (by any estimation dismal) seaons and parlayed that into the Auburn job? 

I simply cannot accept that Auburn is now the kind of school where coaches to go to learn.  I am still seething because Jacobs, with this hire, put AU on par with Toledo, Tulane, Bowling Green and schools of that nature.   That's where coaches go to figure out how to win.  Not Auburn.  I've got friends who are Southern Miss fans. USM is a fine school and has a good football program, but they know they aren't AU. They would have been royally pissed if USM had hired Chizik.  What does that say about AU? I'm not sure I can ever get over that.   

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