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Holy Shit on a Stick
« on: January 22, 2009, 06:06:42 PM »
Lovely people these Demonrats... the sawed off communist Reich is at it again...Well worth the watch.

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Re: Holy Shit on a Stick
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2009, 06:21:56 PM »
How do you get people that are given everything they need to start working to earn eveything they need?

That is the $1mm question
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Re: Holy Shit on a Stick
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2009, 07:40:09 PM »
Lovely people these Demonrats... the sawed off communist Reich is at it again...Well worth the watch.
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Rangel: "This is a tremendous opportunity for a stronger America."

TRANSLATION FROM DEM-NEW-SPEAK:

"This is a tremendous opportunity for us to take over and socialize Amerika."


That was well worth watching...sent shivers down my spine...all the way to my wallet.
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2009, 09:20:06 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009, 12:50:40 AM »
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

Re: Holy Shit on a Stick
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2009, 01:41:34 AM »
An uber-socialist president and a congress that is willing to pass anything he proposes. Does this scare anyone else shitless or is it just me?
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2009, 01:49:13 AM »
An uber-socialist president and a congress that is willing to pass anything he proposes. Does this scare anyone else shitless or is it just me?

You should be scared.

Our only hope is that the 41 Senate Republicans hang together to filibuster the hell out of any uber-socialist bills that Pelosi and Reid try to push through for The ONE's signature. 

Short of that we're up shit creek without a paddle (to continue the shitty-themed metaphors).
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Holy Shit on a Stick
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2009, 03:45:50 AM »
The middle class will be too busy working to notice? fucking bullshit.
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Re: Holy Shit on a Stick
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2009, 10:24:14 AM »
An uber-socialist president and a congress that is willing to pass anything he proposes. Does this scare anyone else shitless or is it just me?

Yes, it scares the hell out of me as well.  Tarheel is right, the 41-R's are our only hope right now.  If they can and they will try, the Socialist are going to cram socialism down our throat. 

Hat tip to Tarheel for the shit creek comment.
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There are gonna be days when you lay your guts on the line and you come away empty handed, there ain't a damn thing you can do about it but go back out there and lay em on the line again...and again, and again! -- Coach Pat Dye

It isn't that liberals are ignorant. It's just they know so much that isn't so. --Ronald Reagan

Re: Holy Shit on a Stick
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2009, 11:15:28 AM »
I am really "new" to politics and really never studied or paid attention to it that much unitil this past election.  My question is to the guys that are more familar with the history of politics is, have you ever seen this nation this close to a socialist society?   It is really starting to scare me!!!

Side note:  I saw on the front page in the Birmingham News this morning that the state is considering giving free cell phones to poor.  Possibly over a half a million in alabama!  Brings back up the AUT question- How do you get people that are given everything they need to start working to earn eveything they need?


 
 
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Re: Holy Shit on a Stick
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2009, 04:52:28 PM »
I am really "new" to politics and really never studied or paid attention to it that much unitil this past election.  My question is to the guys that are more familar with the history of politics is, have you ever seen this nation this close to a socialist society?   It is really starting to scare me!!!

Side note:  I saw on the front page in the Birmingham News this morning that the state is considering giving free cell phones to poor.  Possibly over a half a million in alabama!  Brings back up the AUT question- How do you get people that are given everything they need to start working to earn eveything they need?

The short answer to your question is no, not in my lifetime but we've been slouching towards socialism for a long time really.

It probably goes back to the War Between the States in my opinion.  Lincoln's republican (note small "r") ideology led him to the conclusion that the States were (are) subservient to the Federal government, that is; that the States exist for the Federal government rather than the opposite view which was held by most Southerners at the time (I should note that this was always a fundamental difference in the role of government going back to Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson; which is why our republic has a two-party system today.  Hamilton believed in a very strong Federal government whereas Jefferson believed governance should be closer to the people...classical federalism versus classical democracy, but I digress.)

Lincoln was successful in redefining classical American republicanism in terms of making it less democratic and more federalized and centralized; in other words supplanting political power from the people and placing it in the authority of a centralized federal government and himself I might add.  He gave himself powers (along with the Federal government) that the Founding Fathers had not intended for the presidency...unprecedented power to suspend civil rights (specifically of Southerners), suspend habeas corpus, spend without Congressional approval, blockade part of what he defined as his own country (the South), imprison without trial, and implement an income tax (the first).

And because the United States won the war it further validated his radical ideology; it was the beginning of Socialism in America.  He basically redefined republicanism (note small "r" again) along the lines of a centralized government overseeing the people in which the true political power should reside as our Founder's wanted it.

I should point out that at that time in this nation's history the Democrat party was much more classically democrat along the lines of Jefferson's ideology.  Whereas the radical, new "Republican" Party was much more leftist than the one we are familiar with today.  A gradual evolution of the two parties occurred which later made the two parties basically switch ideologies to the familiar one's that we know today.  But that change really was not complete until Reagan ran on the grass roots ideology of Jeffersonian democratic ideas (that is political authority resides more with the people and the States).

Anyway, socialism reared it's ugly head again during the 1930's and the Great Depression.  That horrible time in this nation's history gave the Democrats and FDR a chance to make some radical changes and introduce the Federal government as the entity to save us all in the form of his New Deal programs.  There has been tons written on the effects of these programs both pro and con but the bottom line these programs ingrained in the public psyche the idea that the Federal government is the answer to every problem...social, economic, and otherwise.

Now we find ourselves in another bad situation and, not surprisingly, the public have turned to an individual, party (who now all but control the government), and Federal government to save us all.  It's as if no one learned anything from what Reagan tried to teach us.  And the current Republican leadership has lost it's way.   So we just blindly follow this "Pied Piper", demi-god called The ONE with no regards towards the effect he and his philosophical allies will have on our freedoms.

God help us.
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Holy Shit on a Stick
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2009, 05:05:49 PM »
Not to hijack the thread, if you can hijack your own.

Tarheel:  Is there anyone on the horizon that can get the party back on track and make us conservatives happy again?  I have a few that I like, but I will give them a little more time before I make a final judgment.
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It isn't that liberals are ignorant. It's just they know so much that isn't so. --Ronald Reagan

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2009, 05:13:27 PM »
I am really "new" to politics and really never studied or paid attention to it that much unitil this past election.  My question is to the guys that are more familar with the history of politics is, have you ever seen this nation this close to a socialist society?   It is really starting to scare me!!!

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As a codicil to my post above you might appreciate reading this excerpt from my defense of the Two-Party System posted a few months back:

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We have a two-party system because that's the result of Alexander Hamilton's and Thomas Jefferson's disagreement over the function of a Federal government as defined by the Constitution. 

Hamilton favored a more centralized/federalized approach to government by basically allowing a more classically liberal interpretation of the Constitution and the authority defined within it.  He feared anarchy without a strong central government.

Jefferson favored a far more limited federal government by allowing only a strict interpretation of the powers defined for government within the Constitution.  He feared that a liberal interpretation of the Constitution would give us another tyrannical government which he'd just help fight a war against. 

Federalist versus democrat.  Two philosophical approaches which fit nicely with our bi-cameral Congress and provided an instant and additional layer of checks and balances.

Unfortunately that philosophical approach became one major reason for the later War of Northern Aggression.  And the Federalist approach won it.  And, over the years, the Federalists became Republicans, the Jeffersonian democrats became Democrats...then the Democrats became socialists and the Republicans became the old Jeffersonian democrats.

And the past few years the Democrats have become more socialistic and the Republicans have become more like the big government, FDR Democrats leaving real conservatives who cling to their guns and religion trying to keep the party more in line with the Jeffersonian democrat philosophy of smaller and less intrusive government, decentralized power, responsible budgeting, etc. 

Anyway, I digress, the real failure lately has been that both parties have been more alike than not and the two-party system is designed to make third parties fail with little or no electoral rewards for their effort; that is why other parties have merged with larger parties in the past.

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I too will actively work to make sure that Democrats socialists like him are NOT re-elected but the work begins by helping to cull the socialists out of my own political party and getting us focused back on the conservative philosophy of Jefferson democratic ideals.

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As mentioned, part of the problem with the Republican Party as I see it is that we've been all too happy to compromise with the Democrats socialists and they NEVER compromise with us.  Hell, our candidate this year was one of the biggest Republican compromisers in Senate apart from Jim Jeffords (who was replaced by a real socialist), Lindsay Graham, and a handful of others who represented half of the "Gang of 14" if you'll recall!  Look what the hell running him got us!  Look what having a compromiser in the White House got us at least for the past couple of years...yes, I voted for him but he was a helluva lot better than Gore and Kerry ever would have been!
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Carry on...
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Holy Shit on a Stick
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2009, 05:38:48 PM »
Not to hijack the thread, if you can hijack your own.

Tarheel:  Is there anyone on the horizon that can get the party back on track and make us conservatives happy again?  I have a few that I like, but I will give them a little more time before I make a final judgment.

I don't see anybody willing to step up to the plate right now.  As it stands we have Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Representative John Boehner (R-OH) as de-facto elected leaders in addition to RNC Chairman Mike Duncan.  All three of them are weak politically.  Duncan is damaged-goods after the disastrous elections in 2006 and last year.

There are a few others like Sen. Sessions (R-AL), Sen. Cornyn (R-TX), Sen. Inhofe (R-OK), and Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX) who will make a solid stand as best they can the next two years. 

Offhand, an up-and-coming state leader I think who would be great is Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA).

I'm really waiting to see what is going to happen with the RNC leadership vote next week.  I like Michael Steele and Ken Blackwell.  Both men are solid conservatives who will get the party back in line if either one becomes the RNC leader.  There are a few other dumbkopfs running (including the current inept leader Mike Duncan) but keep and eye on these fellows.  If either of them get the job we can expect some positive directional changes in the future of the RNC to get it back on track.
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson