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[The Six]

Legit points made ^^ but why has it just now gotten like this? It was not like this to this degree when I attended Auburn in the mid late 90s and I thought I had plenty there on campus to be successful. In fact I loved it. It had what I needed. The astronomical rise has really happened since the turn of the century. Are all these ammentities really needed? Or is this simply a product of the arms race and elite libtard professors demanding 120K for teaching two 400 level classes a semester? Even if they have the word emeritus in their title. I think its multiple things.....but I can tell you this - the cost of it cannot sustain at this rate. There is no way to sugarcoat it - it is entirely too expensive compared to other things in society.

It's part the demand of faculty and part the change in demands of what students/parents expect and demand. Why wasn't it there when we were in school? We didn't expect it or demand it. Is it really needed? Debatable but it's what is there. Is it sustainable? Nope but neither is the deficit spending jag our Fed and State govts have been on since Reagan left office.

[Kaos]

Why does a college degree cost so much? Well, because 1) the expectation of parents sending folks to college and folks attending university is that the place needs to provide all the necessities and amenities of a functioning city. And to do that and have it run with any kind of efficiency, the university has to have infrastructure in place that is not only meeting that demand but building towards the next projected set of demands. And there has to be a workforce (not faculty) to make that happen. Those folks don't make a ton but they don't work for free either. It's not just "go to school, get your learn on, get a job and leave." It's not a transactional thing happening in spite of what the idiots in D.C. tell you on the flat screen. So if you want college to be cheaper, then it'll be a couple doublewides in a field with enough electricity to keep the lights on while someone teaches subjects. Those attending will be left to their own devices to figure out what to do with it. Have you talked to many 18-22 year olds lately? Not exactly the most "make a plan and follow through with it" bunch out there, I can assure you.

Side bar - cancelling student debt is a stupid clickbait power grab move and will never be allowed to happen.

To your points:
1) That is only partially true.  That expectation was created by colleges themselves in an arms race to one-up the competition.  It wasn't something parents demanded, it was something the colleges created as a selling point to attract stupid parents.  Forget the quality of education, there's a QUIZNOS in the student union!!  I saw that coming even when I was in school.  There was a cafeteria that served three squares, but then Taco Bell, Wendys and some other sandwich place took over part of the student union. Then they built a bowling alley (that few people ever used), a room for darts and all this other shit nobody asked for in an effort to attract students.  It wasn't something we or the parents demanded, some dipshit bureaucrat did it. 
2) There's a whole thing there. We're not forcing kids to make hard choices and we're not forcing them to deal with the consequences.  If my daughter had come to me and said she wanted to get a degree in Cultural Development of the Indigo Indians I would have told her no.  You have to make a living and you can't shove $40k up a wild hog's ass and not be able to get a job when you're done.  There's nothing wrong with that knowledge, but you can't make it your primary.  Get a degree in something that gives you an opportunity to support yourself and add supplemental courses on the Indigos if that's something that moves you.  Too many parents now allow their kids to do whatthefuckever. Expand your thinking! Pursue your passion! The "passion" of most college age kids is fueled by alcohol and genital juices.  They don't know.  Reality.  How many (other than you damn lawyers) are doing what you started college to do?  Apprenticeships are the way to go.  College?  The way it's structured now?  It's horse shit and a waste of money.  
3) If they cancel student debt, I want a refund for all that I've paid for me and both my kids.  I also want my parents to get a refund for mine.  And Moses.  He needs some since we're related. 

[Snaggletiger]

Legit points made ^^ but why has it just now gotten like this? It was not like this to this degree when I attended Auburn in the mid late 90s and I thought I had plenty there on campus to be successful. In fact I loved it. It had what I needed. The astronomical rise has really happened since the turn of the century. Are all these ammentities really needed? Or is this simply a product of the arms race and elite libtard professors demanding 120K for teaching two 400 level classes a semester? Even if they have the word emeritus in their title. I think its multiple things.....but I can tell you this - the cost of it cannot sustain at this rate. There is no way to sugarcoat it - it is entirely too expensive compared to other things in society.

Point of fact....case in point.....quid pro quo....whatever.

A niece of mine will be starting at the AU in the Fall.  The fam just got an apartment which she will share with 3 other girls.  The rent is $800.00/month....apiece.  Landlords no longer charge a flat rate for a place, it's per person.  So this landlord is getting $3,200.00 a month.  Why?  Because they can.

[Saniflush]

Point of fact....case in point.....quid pro quo....whatever.

A niece of mine will be starting at the AU in the Fall.  The fam just got an apartment which she will share with 3 other girls.  The rent is $800.00/month....apiece.  Landlords no longer charge a flat rate for a place, it's per person.  So this landlord is getting $3,200.00 a month.  Why?  Because they can.

Damn!  Who wants to build some apartments in Auburn?

[Buzz Killington]

Point of fact....case in point.....quid pro quo....whatever.

A niece of mine will be starting at the AU in the Fall.  The fam just got an apartment which she will share with 3 other girls.  The rent is $800.00/month....apiece.  Landlords no longer charge a flat rate for a place, it's per person.  So this landlord is getting $3,200.00 a month.  Why?  Because they can.

And I thought the $575 a month I was shelling out for a 3br for mini was bad...dayummm.

[Snaggletiger]

And I thought the $575 a month I was shelling out for a 3br for mini was bad...dayummm.

Where is he at?

[Vladimir]

Sorry fellow. Facebooks rule not influenced election allow. Try help Donald John but Sleepy and black woman cheat.

[Buzz Killington]

Where is he at?

JSU

[Snaggletiger]

JSU

Mississippi is a long way but if he likes the brown people, more power to him.

[wesfau2]

Damn!  Who wants to build some apartments in Auburn?

I'm your huckleberry.  As long as we build into the project a "developer's unit", paid for by the association dues and exempt from all association rules.

[Snaggletiger]

I'm your huckleberry.  As long as we build into the project a "developer's unit", paid for by the association dues and exempt from all association rules.

[WiregrassTiger]

Mississippi is a long way but if he likes the brown people, more power to him.

I think it says a lot about Buzz that he would raise a black kid.

[CCTAU]

Point of fact....case in point.....quid pro quo....whatever.

A niece of mine will be starting at the AU in the Fall.  The fam just got an apartment which she will share with 3 other girls.  The rent is $800.00/month....apiece.  Landlords no longer charge a flat rate for a place, it's per person.  So this landlord is getting $3,200.00 a month.  Why?  Because they can.

The new apts being built downtown are like $1200/math with a waiting list. It’s ridiculous.

[Saniflush]

I'm your huckleberry.  As long as we build into the project a "developer's unit", paid for by the association dues and exempt from all association rules.

We shall put it in the covenants

[The Six]

Y'all pivoted real quick from "college costs too much" to the "rent is too damn high." It is, by the way. Yet another thing about Auburn (the town) that has transformed the mystique of the "loveliest village on the plains" to a corporate construction paradise.

[WiregrassTiger]

Y'all pivoted real quick from "college costs too much" to the "rent is too damn high." It is, by the way. Yet another thing about Auburn (the town) that has transformed the mystique of the "loveliest village on the plains" to a corporate construction paradise.

This really is a sad fact of Auburn. I believe it bothers me more than Gus’ buyout. At the same time, I’m a capitalist pig. So, I will just deal with the changes.

[Kaos]

Y'all pivoted real quick from "college costs too much" to the "rent is too damn high." It is, by the way. Yet another thing about Auburn (the town) that has transformed the mystique of the "loveliest village on the plains" to a corporate construction paradise.

it’s both. 

[Snaggletiger]

I went to a few sites to check the current average costs of a 4 year degree at Auburn.  This takes into account living in on-campus housing.  These figures are for the 2018-2019 school years and come from collegecalc.org

Tuition:  $11,276.00

Housing:  $13,332.00

Books/Supplies:  $1,200.00

Food/Expenses etc.:  $5,782.00

Total Per Year:  $31,590.00

Four Year Total Costs:  $126,360.00


The average annual cost for out-of-state students is just over $50,000.00.  Auburn currently has 30,460 in total enrollment.  In doing some Chizad math and using the in-state tuition amount, Auburn is taking in $343,466.960.00 annually in tuition alone.

[WiregrassTiger]

I went to a few sites to check the current average costs of a 4 year degree at Auburn.  This takes into account living in on-campus housing.  These figures are for the 2018-2019 school years and come from collegecalc.org

Tuition:  $11,276.00

Housing:  $13,332.00

Books/Supplies:  $1,200.00

Food/Expenses etc.:  $5,782.00

Total Per Year:  $31,590.00

Four Year Total Costs:  $126,360.00


The average annual cost for out-of-state students is just over $50,000.00.  Auburn currently has 30,460 in total enrollment.  In doing some Chizad math and using the in-state tuition amount, Auburn is taking in $343,466.960.00 annually in tuition alone.

Believe me, this is conservative. My son is up there. Your list does not include, spice, weed or hallucinogens.

[Buzz Killington]

I went to a few sites to check the current average costs of a 4 year degree at Auburn.  This takes into account living in on-campus housing.  These figures are for the 2018-2019 school years and come from collegecalc.org

Tuition:  $11,276.00

Housing:  $13,332.00

Books/Supplies:  $1,200.00

Food/Expenses etc.:  $5,782.00

Total Per Year:  $31,590.00

Four Year Total Costs:  $126,360.00


The average annual cost for out-of-state students is just over $50,000.00.  Auburn currently has 30,460 in total enrollment.  In doing some Chizad math and using the in-state tuition amount, Auburn is taking in $343,466.960.00 annually in tuition alone.

Mini wanted to go there too, but he got some scholly money at Jacksonville.  We had been told to plan for $40K annually.  Thankfully he opted for the scholarship money and now it will only cost us around $18K annually.  That's still twice my salary...