The state of boxing (2)

[Kaos]

Seems like I've done this before. 

Deontay Wilder was the least impressive "champion" I can ever recall.  Then last night he gets mauled by a sloppy, nearly 300-lb lummox. 

When "Tyson Fury" is the top of the heap?  You've got an extremely shitty heap. 

Either of these two clowns would have been cut to pieces by Foreman, Frazier, Clay, or any of the great fighters of that era.  Mike Tyson in his prime would have ended either of them in two rounds or less. 

In that day that big oaf Fury would be just another Chuck Wepner or Gerry Cooney.  Wilder a Pinklon Thomas or Michael Spinks.  Both are chumps.

It's a disgrace.  Boxing is dead. 

[CCTAU]

To be truthful, it’s been dead a while. Guys can make more money in UFC, etc..

It just doesn’t hold the same allure that it used to. 

[Token]

Kaos is right, the older guys would destroy the guys in the heavyweight now. But boxing is far from dead. It generates 10 fold more revenue for the fighters than UFC will ever hope to bring in.  There is a reason why Conner McGregor left his glorious name in UFC to box Mayweather. He got paid more for that one boxing exhibition than he will ever make in UFC.

Remember, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean a shit ton of other people don’t love it and spend top dollar on it. 

[CCTAU]

Kaos is right, the older guys would destroy the guys in the heavyweight now. But boxing is far from dead. It generates 10 fold more revenue for the fighters than UFC will ever hope to bring in.  There is a reason why Conner McGregor left his glorious name in UFC to box Mayweather. He got paid more for that one boxing exhibition than he will ever make in UFC.

Remember, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean a shit ton of other people don’t love it and spend top dollar on it.

It’s big money for the top, but the lower levels don’t get paid on a consistent basis like in UFC.
it’s a steady paycheck versus a lottery win.

[The Six]

Wilder went about that fight all wrong and he and his team know it. He was too heavy (231 pounds - up 19 from his usual fighting weight). He was trying to knock out a guy who is built like a brick outhouse who also had a reach advantage. Fury, in their first fight, tried to out-box Wilder and mostly did. He got caught twice and that's why it was a tie. Those two knockdowns should have signaled to the Wilder camp that they needed to refine his technique and box a smarter fight instead of trying to bully Fury. Fury's camp trained him to go after Wilder - take the fight to the bully - and it clearly got Wilder off his game.

How would they do against HW greats of the past? Hard to totally know but I'm inclined to agree with the lot of you that the current crop wouldn't do all that well. However, they are what we have and as a lifelong fan of the sport, I still keep up with what's happening in the HW ranks.

Where does Wilder go from here? Fury clearly wants Anthony Joshua (who is a straight up poser, btw). Joshua has two other fights he's obligated to before accepting that challenge. Fury-Wilder III would draw a crowd, but Wilder is going to have to wait in line. I expect Fury will schedule a bum to drop while he waits on Joshua and Wilder will probably get in a couple tune ups before taking another shot at Fury. If Joshua somehow unifies the belts and beats Fury, that's gonna spark an immediate rematch. By then, Wilder is going to be pushing 40 and may be done.

[Kaos]

A big fat doughy shithouse. That lumpy bag of turds looks like a D level wrestler slumming for $29 a night  in matches held at the VFW.  

Built? Yeah. That Pillsbury boy is built too.  

[The Six]

A big fat doughy shoothouse. That lumpy bag of turds looks like a D level wrestler slumming for $29 a night  in matches held at the VFW. 

Built? Yeah. That Pillsbury boy is built too. 

Look - Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson (in prime), Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, et. al. would shred those dudes, but none of those guys are in the fight game anymore.

It's like comparing Bo Jackson and Boobee Whitlow.

We have to work with what we have.

[Kaos]

Look - Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson (in prime), Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, et. al. would shred those dudes, but none of those guys are in the fight game anymore.

It's like comparing Bo Jackson and Boobee Whitlow.

We have to work with what we have.

Or not.  

I'm not impressed with flobby Gerry Gooney even if he does have an Irish accent.  

The guy's a clown.  

[Snaggletiger]

The one thing I'd disagree on Tyson, prime or not, beating Fury.  You can point and laugh at his physique, but this 6'9" dude has quick, heavy hands and can box.  Tyson destroyed a line of tomato cans.  As soon as he started facing anyone with skills, he was way overmatched.  Tyson was a one trick pony and dumb as a sack of wet mice.

[The Six]

Where's the football angle here?

[Kaos]

Where's the football angle here?

Have you investigated your buttock cavity?  It might be there.  

Okay, it's a stretch but Evander Holyfield was evoked in this thread.  His sons went to AU and UGA.  He was a boxer.  

Therefore.  Game over.  

[The Six]

Have you investigated your buttock cavity?  It might be there. 

Okay, it's a stretch but Evander Holyfield was evoked in this thread.  His sons went to AU and UGA.  He was a boxer. 

Therefore.  Game over. 

[Snaggletiger]

Turns out Tyson Fury wasn't a badass after all.  Wilder lost because of his 40 pound entrance costume.


“He didn’t hurt me at all, but the simple fact is ... that my uniform was way too heavy for me,” Wilder told Yahoo Sports. “I didn’t have no legs from the beginning of the fight. In the third round, my legs were just shot all the way through. But I’m a warrior and people know that I’m a warrior. It could easily be told that I didn’t have legs or anything. A lot of people were telling me, ‘It looked like something was wrong with you.’ Something was, but when you’re in the ring, you have to bluff a lot of things. I tried my best to do so. I knew I didn’t have the legs because of my uniform."

[Buzz Killington]

And that gnat that kept flying into my eye.  I woulda won if it weren't for that costume and the gnat.
Oh, and the lights kept getting in my eyes too.  And those poor dogs I just saw on that ASPCA commercial.

[GH2001]

Wilder went about that fight all wrong and he and his team know it. He was too heavy (231 pounds - up 19 from his usual fighting weight). He was trying to knock out a guy who is built like a brick outhouse who also had a reach advantage. Fury, in their first fight, tried to out-box Wilder and mostly did. He got caught twice and that's why it was a tie. Those two knockdowns should have signaled to the Wilder camp that they needed to refine his technique and box a smarter fight instead of trying to bully Fury. Fury's camp trained him to go after Wilder - take the fight to the bully - and it clearly got Wilder off his game.

How would they do against HW greats of the past? Hard to totally know but I'm inclined to agree with the lot of you that the current crop wouldn't do all that well. However, they are what we have and as a lifelong fan of the sport, I still keep up with what's happening in the HW ranks.

Where does Wilder go from here? Fury clearly wants Anthony Joshua (who is a straight up poser, btw). Joshua has two other fights he's obligated to before accepting that challenge. Fury-Wilder III would draw a crowd, but Wilder is going to have to wait in line. I expect Fury will schedule a bum to drop while he waits on Joshua and Wilder will probably get in a couple tune ups before taking another shot at Fury. If Joshua somehow unifies the belts and beats Fury, that's gonna spark an immediate rematch. By then, Wilder is going to be pushing 40 and may be done.

Wilder had first right of refusal for a Part 3 and has exercised it. So it will happen.

Just on pure Boxing talent, this one isn't even a close contest. Wilder is a well built, physical specimen who likes to raw brawl. He's also below avg IQ in ring and out. 

Fury is actually a pretty good technical boxer. He's smart. If you watch him jab, measure it out, evaluate in fight and adjust - he's pretty savvy. Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield? Maybe not but he's pretty good. Not every boxer needs to look like he's on roids and shredded. Most of the great boxers of old looked more realistic. Anybody between the age of 35-65 has gotten desensitized in re to Boxing because of Rocky, Holyfield and Tyson.Most boxers don't look like that. Never have.

[Snaggletiger]

Wilder had first right of refusal for a Part 3 and has exercised it. So it will happen.

Just on pure Boxing talent, this one isn't even a close contest. Wilder is a well built, physical specimen who likes to raw brawl. He's also below avg IQ in ring and out.

Fury is actually a pretty good technical boxer. He's smart. If you watch him jab, measure it out, evaluate in fight and adjust - he's pretty savvy. Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield? Maybe not but he's pretty good. Not every boxer needs to look like he's on roids and shredded. Most of the great boxers of old looked more realistic. Anybody between the age of 35-65 has gotten desensitized in re to Boxing because of Rocky, Holyfield and Tyson.Most boxers don't look like that. Never have.

You don't know what you're talking about.  The great ones have always been chiseled out of granite. 

[chinook]

You don't know what you're talking about.  The great ones have always been chiseled out of granite. 

welcome back chopper!  

[Snaggletiger]

welcome back chopper! 

Powerful guy.  Just didn't have a lot of reach.

[Kaos]

Powerful guy.  Just didn't have a lot of reach.

I love the internet 

[GH2001]

I love the internet

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