Urban going down in flames? - Yep

[Snaggletiger]

Exactly where I am on it

I don't like the guy at all. He's a an asshat in cfb.

But trial by media/social media and message board based off some details with 0 context has gone overboard. Everyone wants a boogie man. Everyone wants to hang said boogie man in the town square.

Im not even saying the guy is innocent. To me at most he lied to the press and maybe his boss. He was not complicent in a crime. It may cost him job because he lied and that may be part of his contract and the title 9 standards are at play but this isn't the crazy shocking nationwide scandal the media is making it.

No, not a scandal, but Urban Meyer is as big a public figure in the sports world as Lord Saybinz.  He knows full well that his job requires...no...demands that he come forward if he even thinks there is a hint of something like this going on with one of the University's employees.  Title 9 has been stretched beyond belief to cover every possible scenario that I don't believe it was originally designed to be applied to.  But this man knows it.  He's working under it.  He's taking untold millions while doing it.  If you get word that one of your coaches is alleged to be beating the shit out of his wife, you pick up the phone and call administration and tell them what you know.  End of story.  If you don't and then lie about it later.  You gone.  Not a scandal, but a HUGE story in the sports world. 

[Godfather]

 crazy shocking nationwide scandal the media is making it.

It is only because of who it involves.  

Right now we are putting together a case against Saban for the emotional scars he has placed on Buzz.

[Kaos]

Courtney said she and Shelley often discussed Zach’s domestic violence.  “Shelley said she was going to have to tell Urban,” Courtney said. “I said: ‘That’s fine, you should tell Urban.’ I know Shelley did everything she could.”  Shelley Meyer is a registered nurse and instructor of Clinical Practice at the Ohio State University College of Nursing. She too is bound by Title IX standards.

Text exchange between Smith and Meyer:
Shelley: “I am with you! A lot of women stay hoping it will get better. I don’t blame you! But just want u to be safe. Do you have a restraining order? He scares me”
Courtney: “Restraining orders don’t do anything in Ohio-I tried to get protection order which is what started this whole investigation. And that should go through soon finally. It’s hard bc you have to prove immediate danger. Legal system is tough. Basically you have to prove he will kill u to get protective order”
Shelley: “Geesh! Even w the pics? Didn’t law enforcement come to your place ever??”

Lindsey is the wife of Brian Voltolini, considered one of Meyer’s most loyal staff members. Brian is Ohio State’s football operations director and has been part of Meyer’s staffs for 15 seasons at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio State.
Courtney: “(Zach’s) trying to make me look crazy bc that’s what Shelley is saying (he’s doing)”
Lindsey: “He (Urban) just said he (Zach) denied everything”
Courtney: “I hope urban is smarter than that”
Lindsey: “He (Urban) doesn’t know what to think”
Courtney: “I don’t really care. Ya know”
Lindsey: “Yeah, don’t worry about urb”


At Big X media days:
When asked specifically if he knew of the domestic violence incidents with Zach Smith, or if he had been told of them, Meyer said, “I was never told about anything. Never anything came to light, never had a conversation about it. So I know nothing about it. I asked people back at the office to call and see what happened, and they came back and said they know nothing.”


Those are the highlights.  He knew and he lied.  But you keep on pontificating without reading.

How about you jam that condescension up your ass?  

You posted a whole bunch of crap that indicates his wife possibly knew. 

Doesn’t mean he did, that he knew the extent or that he covered anything up.    

But you keep on extrapolating.  

[CCTAU]

If you get word that one of your coaches is alleged to be beating the shit out of his wife, you pick up the phone and call administration and tell them what you know.  End of story.  If you don't and then lie about it later.  You gone.  Not a scandal, but a HUGE story in the sports world.

No you don't. You wouldn't have a staff if you believed EVERY accusation thrown at them.

You may address it with your employee and inform them that any public transgression could lead to administrative action, but you can't be judge and jury on every rumor. Nobody would ever work for you. If the allegations are not true, then you have ruined a man's career over rumors.

[Godfather]

No you don't. You wouldn't have a staff if you believed EVERY accusation thrown at them.

You may address it with your employee and inform them that any public transgression could lead to administrative action, but you can't be judge and jury on every rumor. Nobody would ever work for you. If the allegations are not true, then you have ruined a man's career over rumors.

You do if you are bound by Title IX

[Snaggletiger]

No you don't. You wouldn't have a staff if you believed EVERY accusation thrown at them.

You may address it with your employee and inform them that any public transgression could lead to administrative action, but you can't be judge and jury on every rumor. Nobody would ever work for you. If the allegations are not true, then you have ruined a man's career over rumors.

Title 9 says you do.  That's what he's working under.  I'm not under Title 9 and neither are you.  You report it and let administration look into it.  That simple.

[wesfau2]

No you don't. You wouldn't have a staff if you believed EVERY accusation thrown at them.

You may address it with your employee and inform them that any public transgression could lead to administrative action, but you can't be judge and jury on every rumor. Nobody would ever work for you. If the allegations are not true, then you have ruined a man's career over rumors.

You don't have to believe it.  You just have a duty to report it and let the process* take its course.

*TM- Nick Saban, aight.

[Snaggletiger]

You do if you are bound by Title IX

I said it better.  Just later.

[Saniflush]

Bottom line is if he knew and didn't kick the can upstairs to the boardroom he is fucked and I'm glad he is for multiple reasons.

[Kaos]

Title 9 says you do.  That's what he's working under.  I'm not under Title 9 and neither are you.  You report it and let administration look into it.  That simple.

Report what?  

A rumor when the wife is staying with the guy? 

[wesfau2]

Bottom line is if he knew and didn't kick the can upstairs to the boardroom he is fucked and I'm glad he is for multiple reasons.

Succinct...give this man a beer.

[Buzz Killington]

Are we 100% sure Ms. Terry wasn't in on these text messages too?

[wesfau2]

Report what? 

A rumor when the wife is staying with the guy?

The little evidence available amounts to much more than a rumor.  But even if that's all it was:

Yeah, actually.  

[Godfather]

Thanks for repeating what I said.

I don't deny the title IX part and don't deny he lied.

We just disagree on the stature of it all. Sorry this isn't joe pa at penn state like everyone wants it to be.

You guys enjoy your witch hunt with the media dweebs. 

I don't care either way, although I hate Meyer so yeah I hope they fire him, but that's just because I want to laugh.

Why is it important what Meyer did or didn't do?

Here's why.  Liability = $$$$   

I don't think anyone here is comparing it to Penn State, I did only in the fact that both coaches said they didn't know and it was more a matter of public opinion that condemened them.  Again right or wrong that's the way the world works today. 

But I'm not quite sure I understand what your stance is, you're bothered by the fact that this is a big news story? or that he was placed on administrative leave?

[Kaos]

The little evidence available amounts to much more than a rumor.  But even if that's all it was:

Yeah, actually. 

And you were in the room and are absolutely certain Urban knew the extent and/or specifics.  

I didnt know you lived in Ohio.  

Damn you for making me defend urban, a man I hold nothing but contempt for.  

[Godfather]

Report what? 

A rumor when the wife is staying with the guy?

Now I'm with you 95% of the time but we disagree here.  You are smart enough to know that most abused women stay with their men, either because they are scared, still love them, or don't know what else to do.  She has quite a bit of evidence against him.

IMO Beating women is one of the most cowardice, piece of shit thing you can do, and in front of your kids.  You have daughters come on.  I know you like to take the anti-stance but really.

[wesfau2]

And you were in the room and are absolutely certain Urban knew the extent and/or specifics. 

I didnt know you lived in Ohio. 

Damn you for making me defend urban, a man I hold nothing but contempt for. 

Goddamn, it's like you're not even reading.

My personal opinion (colored by my dislike of Urb) is that he knew and should be fired post haste.

My more reasoned opinion is that he (and Shelley) obviously failed to comply with their requirements under Title IX to refer the matter/rumor to the admin and let them investigate.  Then he lied about knowledge that he appears to have had.

He admittedly KNEW in 2009...so when the allegations resurfaced in 2015, he should have made a call to OSU admin immediately.

[CCTAU]

IMO Beating women is one of the most cowardice, piece of shit thing you can do, and in front of your kids.  You have daughters come on.  I know you like to take the anti-stance but really.

Allegedly. Until the proof goes to the authorities, its just rumor. We either convict by law, or we convict by feelings. Can't do both. Pick one.

[Godfather]

And you were in the room and are absolutely certain Urban knew the extent and/or specifics. 

I didnt know you lived in Ohio. 

Damn you for making me defend urban, a man I hold nothing but contempt for. 

You are playing coy to play coy.  Not that Wes needs me to defend him, but you knew Wes was talking about the "rumors" as you called them meaning the actual beating of the girl herself.  Not whether or not Meyer knew.  

Look it's actually simple.
Wife alleged beating between the years 2009-15
Judge Rules and places order against Husband
Husband Fired
Wife claims Shelley Meyer knew has text messages.
No one did anything...no one did anything in 2009 either. (again bound by title ix)
So Urban or Shelley someone in the Meyer family is going down....and not for Colonel Angus.

[wesfau2]

Allegedly. Until the proof goes to the authorities, its just rumor. We either convict by law, or we convict by feelings. Can't do both. Pick one.

You're arguing legal/judicial standards in an administrative environment.  They aren't (and shouldn't be) the same.