Only in the sense that a forum such as this should, in my mind, be fertile ground for give-and-take discussion. It once was. It no longer is.
Yes, begrudges the fact that drooling bammerish display is heralded as new patriotism and any nuance or fact can just be shouted over with "WRONG" or "FAKE NEWS."
You're a part, but not the total problem. Your "debate" style, such as it is, doesn't brook much counter-debate. We saw it in the football forums, too, so it's not just a political issue. When forced to play within debate norms, your arguments frequently fall apart. Shit, Chopper was serving you pretty hard at one point down in the football forum.
That second part may be true, but that first clause is a steaming pile.
That's just wrong. I'm willing to give credit...when something credit-worthy happens. The "achievements" that get trumpeted in here don't ring as such in my head. That speaks to a fundamental difference in some of us that, prior to the full Trump claxon-horn sounding in here, provided fodder for some really great discussion.
Your numbers re: rest of the country are a bit off. The "echo chamber" is the lining up of a few of the posters here to simply backslap the newest bit of thinly veiled racism parading as a facebook meme or some idiotic appeal to those sentiments dressed up as "plain speakin" to counteract all that awful PC culture.
Not going to get into a point/counterpoint.
Suffice it to say:
You know nothing, wes snow. All of your notions and suppositions are off base.
Edited to add:
You really don't get me at all. I push buttons in order to get reactions. Part of my "debate style" as you put it, is to see how far I can push you. I like to work in absolutes (even though I know there aren't usually such things). Good, bad, black white, up, down. There are times I KNOW I'm wrong, but I want you (or whoever) to prove it. Part of that "style" is to drive the conversation to the middle. It drove you further left.
You think I don't brook debate? Damn, son. Nothing worthwhile in this country was ever achieved without a healthy dose of give and take. I enjoy the debate. Even when I'm being my most kaotic, I hear what you say and am definitely willing to change an opinion (eventually).
Some of the stuff that you said: "drooling bammerish display" and "Trump claxon horn" really smacks of the kind of elitism that fueled the whole Trump phenomenon.
Taking pride in things we deem to be patriotic or beneficial to this county, its economy or its safety is hardly a "drooling display."
If you took half the things that have happened since Trump was elected and flipped the script to pretend they'd all occurred under Hillary's presidential watch? You'd be insufferable in your gloating.
I started this topic for a serious reason. I wanted YOU specifically to explain to me what I'm missing.
The economy is surging (the opposite of what the media predicted).
Our position on the world stage is stronger than it has been in decades (the opposite of what the media warned).
The dominant stance taken by Trump in relation to North Korea has done more to create a climate where peace is possible than anyone or anything has done since the Korean War ended. (The opposite of what the media said would happen).
Moving the embassy to Jerusalem is the right thing to do. He promised it. He did it.
ISIS is an afterthought. We stopped trying to be nice and put the hammer down. (Media predicted the opposite)
Maybe you disagree on his hardline immigration stance, I don't know. I DO know from the time when I was teaching is that if you START soft you can never go hard (that's what she said). Start the year as the nice guy teacher? You're a doormat by Christmas. You've got to establish your lines. That's what Trump is doing. You can't back down when you give it all away at first.
If nothing else, Trump gets that. I told you from the very beginning the man was smarter than you (and others) thought he was. That's been proven. I also told you from the beginning he was the only candidate who could take down Hillary (whom I still consider one of the worst and most corrupt human beings ever). Right again.
I'm telling you now that the man is running the office like no other before him. He's demanding results and if you're not getting them -- if you're doing the usual political thing where you TALK incessantly about achievements but never actually do anything? You're out. He took his election as a mandate to actually do the things he said he was going to do.
I'm asking you in all seriousness -- at what point will you put away your personal disdain for the man and consider what he's managed to achieve?
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