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« Reply #100 on: January 08, 2018, 01:11:14 PM »
I still haven't gotten past last year.
We lost to the worst Georgia team I've seen in fifty years. FIFTY!
And they beat us again and made it to the NCG. Sickening.

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« Reply #101 on: January 08, 2018, 01:27:35 PM »
Macho Grande is hard for all of us.
I'll never get over Macho Grande
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« Reply #102 on: January 08, 2018, 01:30:03 PM »
Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shit again.
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« Reply #103 on: January 08, 2018, 01:53:23 PM »
I'm with Snags on the 12-0 thing vs 8-4 anyone can rise up on a particular day and beat anyone else, sometimes you just have a bad game. 

What if I said Auburn were to go 12-0 in the SEC and an 8-4 team got into the playoffs because they beat us in the title game your head would explode....my head would explode.  Everyone is upset because it's bama.  I'm upset because it's bama and it is bullshit and fucked up. But call a spade a spade. This really wasn't surprising Ohio State got in last year after Penn State won the Conf. Championship.  There is no argument to decided if Wisconsin is more deserving, or Ohio State than bama. 

You guys don't realize that it has always been a popularity contest.
I honestly don't see why "winning your conference means you're the best team in the conference" or "if you're not the best team in your conference, then you're not the best team in the country", in isolation or combined, are controversial statements.

I realize it has always been a popularity contest. I'm saying it shouldn't be. That was the stated goal of moving to a playoff, but then they got MORE subjective in placing the teams instead of less.

It works in the NFL and it works in NCAA basketball, and baseball and everything else, but for some reason everyone's stuck on this idea of "No, no, it has to be who we feeeeeel is the better team, not who actually proves it on the field". It's bullshit, always has been, and continues to be.

It was bullshit Ohio State got in over Penn State last year, and it's bullshit Ohio State got left out this year. Has nothing to do with whether or not I like the school, obviously, since from year to year the same team both was the fuck-er and the fuck-ee. Not sure what "There is no argument to decided if Wisconsin is more deserving, or Ohio State than bama" means, but if you're saying there's no valid argument that Ohio State deserves it more than Bama, I disagree and it is that they W-O-N--T-H-E-I-R--C-O-N-F-E-R-E-N-C-E.
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Re: Saban Fatigue/Fed Up?
« Reply #104 on: January 08, 2018, 02:04:51 PM »
I honestly don't see why "winning your conference means you're the best team in the conference" or "if you're not the best team in your conference, then you're not the best team in the country", in isolation or combined, are controversial statements.

I realize it has always been a popularity contest. I'm saying it shouldn't be. That was the stated goal of moving to a playoff, but then they got MORE subjective in placing the two teams instead of less.

It works in the NFL and it works in NCAA basketball, and baseball and everything else, but for some reason everyone's stuck on this idea of "No, no, it has to be who we feeeeeel is the better team, not who actually proves it on the field". It's bullshit, always has been, and continues to be.

It was bullshit Ohio State got in over Penn State last year, and it's bullshit Ohio State got left out this year. Has nothing to do with whether or not I like the school, obviously, since from year to year the same team both was the fuck-er and the fuck-ee. Not sure what "There is no argument to decided if Wisconsin is more deserving, or Ohio State than bama" means, but if you're saying there's no valid argument that Ohio State deserves it more than Bama, I disagree and it is that they W-O-N--T-H-E-I-R--C-O-N-F-E-R-E-N-C-E.

How does Ohio state winning that shit conference have anything to do with who did or didn't win the sec? I don't care what that Conf did during bowl season. Bowls are such a crap shoot now.

We know good and well bama would have most likely beat every team in that conference during the season. They certainly would not have gotten skull fucked by Iowa and Oklahoma. Put Ohio state in the sec west and you most likely aren't even discussing them.

Lot of teams win conferences. Very different conferences. Why do we act like conference winners are all equal? It's not apples to apples. Yes NCAA BB does it and so does the NFL but they also have at large/wildcard entries to eliminate all doubt hence the "power 5 winners plus 3 wild cards" 8 team idea I tend to side with.

Winning the Conf is one aspect. It isn't the end all be all. Sorry but the eye test and quality matter. In this instance getting skull fucked twice during the regular season trumps them winning the conference.
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« Reply #105 on: January 08, 2018, 02:37:40 PM »
How does Ohio state winning that shit conference have anything to do with who did or didn't win the sec? I don't care what that Conf did during bowl season. Bowls are such a crap shoot now.

We know good and well bama would have most likely beat every team in that conference during the season. They certainly would not have gotten skull fucked by Iowa and Oklahoma. Put Ohio state in the sec west and you most likely aren't even discussing them.

Lot of teams win conferences. Very different conferences. Why do we act like conference winners are all equal? It's not apples to apples. Yes NCAA BB does it and so does the NFL but they also have at large/wildcard entries to eliminate all doubt hence the "power 5 winners plus 3 wild cards" 8 team idea I tend to side with.

Winning the Conf is one aspect. It isn't the end all be all. Sorry but the eye test and quality matter. In this instance getting skull fucked twice during the regular season trumps them winning the conference.
All of this, every word of it, is subjective. You feeeeel like Ohio State wouldn't be able to beat Bama head-to-head. You feeeeel like they would have lost half their games in the SEC. You feeeeel like the Big 10 is a "shit conference".

What is objective FACT is that they won their conference. And that their conference dominated bowl season, even if you don't feeeeel like that should count for anything.

I also like how out of one corner of y'all's mouths, "Hey, everybody has bad days, even if they did beat Bama on the field, doesn't mean Bama's not better. If an 8-4 team from the east beats a 12-0 team from the west, doesn't mean they're better, they just had a better day." but at the same time that logic simply CANNOT be applied to Ohio State's bad Iowa loss. But it's fine for Oklahoma vs. Iowa State and Clemson vs. Syracuse and for that matter Georgia & Bama vs. us.
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« Reply #106 on: January 08, 2018, 03:34:29 PM »
All of this, every word of it, is subjective. You feeeeel like Ohio State wouldn't be able to beat Bama head-to-head. You feeeeel like they would have lost half their games in the SEC. You feeeeel like the Big 10 is a "shit conference".

What is objective FACT is that they won their conference. And that their conference dominated bowl season, even if you don't feeeeel like that should count for anything.

I also like how out of one corner of y'all's mouths, "Hey, everybody has bad days, even if they did beat Bama on the field, doesn't mean Bama's not better. If an 8-4 team from the east beats a 12-0 team from the west, doesn't mean they're better, they just had a better day." but at the same time that logic simply CANNOT be applied to Ohio State's bad Iowa loss. But it's fine for Oklahoma vs. Iowa State and Clemson vs. Syracuse and for that matter Georgia & Bama vs. us.

I feel like you are preaching to the choir.  I mean I get all of that... the system is fucked up. 

But you are telling me that you fully support a team that goes 8-4 and wins the SEC championship should be in over a 12-0 team from the opposite division?   I don't... that is all I'm saying.

Again I just think they need to do away with the championship games because they don't mean anything.
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Re: Saban Fatigue/Fed Up?
« Reply #107 on: January 08, 2018, 05:49:21 PM »
All of this, every word of it, is subjective. You feeeeel like Ohio State wouldn't be able to beat Bama head-to-head. You feeeeel like they would have lost half their games in the SEC. You feeeeel like the Big 10 is a "shit conference".
Subjectivity is what you get when you leave it to a bunch of people with biases and agendas.  Even if they have neither, you're still leaving it to a room full of people.  I said when the CFP model was introduced that it would solve nothing, and would only increase the instances of non conference champions and rematches in the playoffs.  I don't know why everyone is surprised that we are worse off than we were with the BCS model.  Everyone threw the baby out with the bathwater because they were so upset about The Rematch.  In reality, the BCS simply needed to be supplemented, not replaced.

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What is objective FACT is that they won their conference. And that their conference dominated bowl season, even if you don't feeeeel like that should count for anything.
I don't think that anyone disagrees that conference championships should mean something.  They just shouldn't mean everything.  They should be part of the whole body of work.  tOSU is a good example.  Yes, they won their conference.  But they also got hammered by 31 points to an unranked Iowa team.  Why doesn't that mean anything?  They also had a loss to Oklahoma.  That stings quite a bit less than the Iowa loss, but that's two losses nonetheless.

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I also like how out of one corner of y'all's mouths, "Hey, everybody has bad days, even if they did beat Bama on the field, doesn't mean Bama's not better. If an 8-4 team from the east beats a 12-0 team from the west, doesn't mean they're better, they just had a better day." but at the same time that logic simply CANNOT be applied to Ohio State's bad Iowa loss. But it's fine for Oklahoma vs. Iowa State and Clemson vs. Syracuse and for that matter Georgia & Bama vs. us.
In a previous example, Snags gave a scenario of an 8-4 team getting a last second pick 6 in the conference championship game versus a 12-0 team.  I would say a scenario like that qualifies as a bad day for the 12-0 team.  Getting curb stomped by 31 points is getting curb stomped by 31 points.  Oklahoma gave up the go ahead TD with 2 minutes left in the game to Iowa State.  That's a bad day.  And that was in week 5, which gave other teams plenty of time to lose, and for OU to move up.  Clemson somewhat gets a pass as well, because you and I both know the only reason they lost (by 3 points) was because their starting QB got knocked out of the game in the first half. 

Whether we like it or not, the earlier you lose, the better off you are if you're going to lose one.  And as long as you have a room full of people deciding things, you're going to have subjectivity.  The irony here is that if there had not been a SECCG, Auburn would have been in, and Alabama would have been out.  Again, at this point, I think the SECCG is pointless.
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Re: Saban Fatigue/Fed Up?
« Reply #108 on: January 08, 2018, 06:04:08 PM »
I feel like you are preaching to the choir.  I mean I get all of that... the system is fucked up. 

But you are telling me that you fully support a team that goes 8-4 and wins the SEC championship should be in over a 12-0 team from the opposite division?   I don't... that is all I'm saying.

Again I just think they need to do away with the championship games because they don't mean anything.

Yes. I believe you should win it on the field.

When I was coaching high school football we were 8-3 and played an 11-0 team. Some things went our way. We played the best game we played all year. And we knocked them off. 

Guess we should have apologized and just let that other team advance.
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Re: Saban Fatigue/Fed Up?
« Reply #109 on: January 08, 2018, 09:06:44 PM »
All of this, every word of it, is subjective. You feeeeel like Ohio State wouldn't be able to beat Bama head-to-head. You feeeeel like they would have lost half their games in the SEC. You feeeeel like the Big 10 is a "shit conference".

What is objective FACT is that they won their conference. And that their conference dominated bowl season, even if you don't feeeeel like that should count for anything.

I also like how out of one corner of y'all's mouths, "Hey, everybody has bad days, even if they did beat Bama on the field, doesn't mean Bama's not better. If an 8-4 team from the east beats a 12-0 team from the west, doesn't mean they're better, they just had a better day." but at the same time that logic simply CANNOT be applied to Ohio State's bad Iowa loss. But it's fine for Oklahoma vs. Iowa State and Clemson vs. Syracuse and for that matter Georgia & Bama vs. us.

At the end of the day everything is a feeling. You FEEL they are better due to the conf win. I FEEL they aren't. Its what the hell a poll is. Its what this committee is. Its what the NCAA BB committee is. I get you don't like it, but that FEELING...that eye test is the root of it all. The only sports that don't have that are pro leagues where playoffs are determined. We either fully have to go to that style or there will always be a human eye test element.
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« Reply #110 on: January 08, 2018, 10:59:53 PM »
I'm trying to tone down the profanity this year.  But...

FUCK feelings.  FUCK a committee. FUCK subjectivity. 

The way it works in high school, in D2, in the NFL, in MLB, NHL, NBA.... You win your conference or division to make the playoffs or you win enough to make a wildcard.  Then you handle it between the lines. 

AHSAA football takes the top four teams in each Region and has a 64-team 'tournament.  I've coached in a post-season where we went in as the top seed in the division and one where we went in as the number four -- barely scraped in.  The season we won our division we played the fourth seed from another division. They had a losing record going in and we played half ass.  Nearly lost.  Made the semis the year we went in as a four seed.  That's just the nature of it.  The winner is the real champion, not some political appointee. 

What college football does is utter horse shit. 

Should the Giants give back their Super Bowl trophy?  The Giants were 9-7 in 2011 and barely made the playoffs winning a loser-stays-home game on the last day of the season. They went 1-5 between November 13 and December 18. NY had the exact same record 9-7 in 2012 and didn't make the post-season.

They made the SuperBowl and beat the Patriots.  Were they the "best team" that season?  Did they pass the "eye test?"  They probably should have been disqualified for that awful 49-29 loss to the New Orleans Saints.  Or maybe because they lost twice to the 5-11 Redskins. 

I don't want ANYBODY deciding who wins the league, wins the NC or earns the wildcard berths.   The ONLY way to do it is to take the winners of the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-10, and ACC and add in the conference winner with the best record from the AA, CUSA, Mountain West, Sunbelt and MA combined.   That gets you six.  The final two wildcard teams are the conference runner-ups with the best record from the first five.   

Or something like that. 
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« Reply #111 on: January 09, 2018, 01:35:06 AM »
I'm trying to tone down the profanity this year.  But...

FUCK feelings.  FUCK a committee. FUCK subjectivity. 

The way it works in high school, in D2, in the NFL, in MLB, NHL, NBA.... You win your conference or division to make the playoffs or you win enough to make a wildcard.  Then you handle it between the lines. 

AHSAA football takes the top four teams in each Region and has a 64-team 'tournament.  I've coached in a post-season where we went in as the top seed in the division and one where we went in as the number four -- barely scraped in.  The season we won our division we played the fourth seed from another division. They had a losing record going in and we played half ass.  Nearly lost.  Made the semis the year we went in as a four seed.  That's just the nature of it.  The winner is the real champion, not some political appointee. 

What college football does is utter horse shit. 

Should the Giants give back their Super Bowl trophy?  The Giants were 9-7 in 2011 and barely made the playoffs winning a loser-stays-home game on the last day of the season. They went 1-5 between November 13 and December 18. NY had the exact same record 9-7 in 2012 and didn't make the post-season.

They made the SuperBowl and beat the Patriots.  Were they the "best team" that season?  Did they pass the "eye test?"  They probably should have been disqualified for that awful 49-29 loss to the New Orleans Saints.  Or maybe because they lost twice to the 5-11 Redskins. 

I don't want ANYBODY deciding who wins the league, wins the NC or earns the wildcard berths.   The ONLY way to do it is to take the winners of the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-10, and ACC and add in the conference winner with the best record from the AA, CUSA, Mountain West, Sunbelt and MA combined.   That gets you six.  The final two wildcard teams are the conference runner-ups with the best record from the first five.   

Or something like that.
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« Reply #112 on: January 09, 2018, 08:39:12 AM »
^this^

Its like we added a LIKE button for only the smart people...
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« Reply #113 on: January 09, 2018, 08:39:54 AM »
Its like we added a LIKE button for only the smart people...

The button triggers him to remember the election where his candidates lost.
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« Reply #114 on: January 09, 2018, 08:43:44 AM »
Its like we added a LIKE button for only the smart people...
^^This.
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« Reply #115 on: January 09, 2018, 09:13:35 AM »
I'm trying to tone down the profanity this year.  But...

FUCK feelings.  FUCK a committee. FUCK subjectivity. 

The way it works in high school, in D2, in the NFL, in MLB, NHL, NBA.... You win your conference or division to make the playoffs or you win enough to make a wildcard.  Then you handle it between the lines. 

AHSAA football takes the top four teams in each Region and has a 64-team 'tournament.  I've coached in a post-season where we went in as the top seed in the division and one where we went in as the number four -- barely scraped in.  The season we won our division we played the fourth seed from another division. They had a losing record going in and we played half ass.  Nearly lost.  Made the semis the year we went in as a four seed.  That's just the nature of it.  The winner is the real champion, not some political appointee. 

What college football does is utter horse shit. 

Should the Giants give back their Super Bowl trophy?  The Giants were 9-7 in 2011 and barely made the playoffs winning a loser-stays-home game on the last day of the season. They went 1-5 between November 13 and December 18. NY had the exact same record 9-7 in 2012 and didn't make the post-season.

They made the SuperBowl and beat the Patriots.  Were they the "best team" that season?  Did they pass the "eye test?"  They probably should have been disqualified for that awful 49-29 loss to the New Orleans Saints.  Or maybe because they lost twice to the 5-11 Redskins. 

I don't want ANYBODY deciding who wins the league, wins the NC or earns the wildcard berths.   The ONLY way to do it is to take the winners of the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-10, and ACC and add in the conference winner with the best record from the AA, CUSA, Mountain West, Sunbelt and MA combined.   That gets you six.  The final two wildcard teams are the conference runner-ups with the best record from the first five.   

Or something like that.
It's like I say it, everyone disagrees, then you say it but angrier and get 5+ likes. I'm doing it wrong. But yes, exactly that.
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« Reply #116 on: January 09, 2018, 09:33:47 AM »
It's like I say it, everyone disagrees, then you say it but angrier and get 5+ likes. I'm doing it wrong. But yes, exactly that.
I could get you 5 Likes in no time. But you are going to have to show me a lot more in your posting ability. And stop hanging out with Wes.

That isn’t going to get you anywhere , son.
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« Reply #117 on: January 09, 2018, 09:37:10 AM »
Fuck Saban
Fuck Smart
Fuck bammer
Fuck Georgia
Who's next?
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« Reply #118 on: January 09, 2018, 09:48:55 AM »
Fuck Saban
Fuck Smart
Fuck bammer
Fuck Georgia
Who's next?
Dan Mullen I think.
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« Reply #119 on: January 09, 2018, 09:51:51 AM »
Mods, please remove the LIKE button and raise the warn meter of some of these disrespectful posters!
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4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.