Somebody School This Lawyer

[Snaggletiger]

I know that right now, the Person thing is a basketball matter.  But, I'm putting this here anyway because I am going to make a football reference.  And if the mods move it, bitches will be cut and blood will be on the floor.

Let me get to the point.  Why is what Person did illegal?  I've read up on RICO Statutes, Racketeering, Bribery etc.  What am I missing? Is it like the other night when I was talking to my Pops about some dates we were going to be out of town and I said let me go get my phone and I'll pull up my calendar, only to finally realize the phone I was searching for was against my ear?  Yeah, I did that. 

Is it so simple that I'm looking right past it?  He's charged with what, bribery and corruption?  So, who did he bribe?  Where's the corruption?  Again, tell me if I'm missing something here.  My understanding is that Person was paid money by an agent/financial advisor whatever it was, to steer Auburn players with NBA potential to their firm.  He's also accused of giving cash to the mother/parents of said potential NBA players, most likely to help move that process along. 

Okay, where's the bribery? Where's the corruption?  Violations of NCAA policy?  Absolutely!  Tax evasion?  Yeah, probably so.  I doubt anybody is reporting that money.  But the question remains.  How does any of that fall within the realm of what he's charged with?

Now the football reference to keep it in this forum.  I didn't get the Logan Young thing anymore than I do the current dealio.  Young paid a high school coach $150K to make sure that coach pimped the hell out of Alabama and hopefully get him to sign there.  Again, tax issues?  For sure.  Where is the Federal Crime?  He was charged under RICO Statutes, but maybe I've been too lazy to read enough in the case law to find out how far reaching they are.

Are they all NCAA violations?  Yep, I get that. And I'm not trying to lessen what Person did with regard to our program.  We fucked and they ain't no gittin' around it.  But I'm still trying to tie all this in with bribery and corruption.  Somebody school a lawyer. 

[AUJarhead]

Person facing six charges, including bribery conspiracy, solicitation of bribes and gratuities, conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and travel act conspiracy, according to court documents.

Guess acting as the middle man is conspiracy? 

But who is he defrauding?

[Snaggletiger]

Person facing six charges, including bribery conspiracy, solicitation of bribes and gratuities, conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and travel act conspiracy, according to court documents.

Guess acting as the middle man is conspiracy? 

But who is he defrauding?

EGG ZACHERY!!!  These kids know the deal.  Nobody is being defrauded.  There are no bribes.  Where is the "Honest services fraud".  This firm wants to represent these players who could potentially be making millions.  They're paying one of the player's coaches a little sumpn' sumpn' under the table to give them the 411 on this firm and hopefully, get them to sign when they turn pro.

Again, what the hell am I missing? NCAA problem?  Yes.  Illegal?  Please explain!

[chinook]

Corruption of the federal government since Auburn partially nurses on the federal government teat.   Money exchanged isn't being claimed on the Dub U Forty...hence defrauding the government as well as tax evasion.  Defrauding by being sneaky to the fans, other athletes etc...

Bribery well they were fronting the money to swindle these players to sign with agents and wear fancy suits.  Persons necessarily not the bag man but was involved in getting this player and that player swayed.

My golden retriever could be wrong though.


 

[Buzz Killington]

Person facing six charges, including bribery conspiracy, solicitation of bribes and gratuities, conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and travel act conspiracy, according to court documents.

Guess acting as the middle man is conspiracy? 

But who is he defrauding?

Sounds to me like he's defrauding Auburn, since he's not acting in its best interest by steering these kids to an agent to go pro.  The only thing I see here that is NCAA worthy is the money going to the kids parents while they play at Auburn.  That would make them ineligible and Auburn would have to possibly forfeit those 13 wins since 2015.

[Godfather]

Corruption of the federal government since Auburn partially nurses on the federal government teat.   Money exchanged isn't being claimed on the Dub U Forty...hence defrauding the government as well as tax evasion.  Defrauding by being sneaky to the fans, other athletes etc...

Bribery well they were fronting the money to swindle these players to sign with agents and wear fancy suits.  Persons necessarily not the bag man but was involved in getting this player and that player swayed.

My golden retriever could be wrong though.

You got me thinking....  If you lose that dog you don't go out there for an hour and look around.
You don't sit on the porch like a goon and wait.

You gotta think you got a pet. You got a responsibility!

If your dog is lost, you don't look for an hour then call it quits; you get your ass out there and you find that fucking dog!

[AUJarhead]

So, you see, the puppy was like industry. In that, they were both lost in the woods. And nobody, especially the little boy - "society" - knew where to find 'em. Except that the puppy was a dog. But the industry, my friends, that was a revolution.

[Godfather]

So, you see, the puppy was like industry. In that, they were both lost in the woods. And nobody, especially the little boy - "society" - knew where to find 'em. Except that the puppy was a dog. But the industry, my friends, that was a revolution.

AUBURN BASKETBALL RULES!

[wesfau2]

Corruption of the federal government since Auburn partially nurses on the federal government teat.   Money exchanged isn't being claimed on the Dub U Forty...hence defrauding the government as well as tax evasion.  Defrauding by being sneaky to the fans, other athletes etc...

Bribery well they were fronting the money to swindle these players to sign with agents and wear fancy suits.  Persons necessarily not the bag man but was involved in getting this player and that player swayed.

My golden retriever could be wrong though.

Yes and

Sounds to me like he's defrauding Auburn, since he's not acting in its best interest by steering these kids to an agent to go pro.  The only thing I see here that is NCAA worthy is the money going to the kids parents while they play at Auburn.  That would make them ineligible and Auburn would have to possibly forfeit those 13 wins since 2015.

Yes.

[WiregrassTiger]

EGG ZACHERY!!!  These kids know the deal.  Nobody is being defrauded.  There are no bribes.  Where is the "Honest services fraud".  This firm wants to represent these players who could potentially be making millions.  They're paying one of the player's coaches a little sumpn' sumpn' under the table to give them the 411 on this firm and hopefully, get them to sign when they turn pro.

Again, what the hell am I missing? NCAA problem?  Yes.  Illegal?  Please explain!

It is well known that you aren't well liked here. Or, really anywhere for that matter.

But, although you typically know little of law, this is a very good point.

What he did was dumb, etc. Fill in the blank. But, who did he defraud?

[AUChizad]

I know that right now, the Person thing is a basketball matter.  But, I'm putting this here anyway because I am going to make a football reference.  And if the mods move it, bitches will be cut and blood will be on the floor.

Let me get to the point.  Why is what Person did illegal?  I've read up on RICO Statutes, Racketeering, Bribery etc.  What am I missing? Is it like the other night when I was talking to my Pops about some dates we were going to be out of town and I said let me go get my phone and I'll pull up my calendar, only to finally realize the phone I was searching for was against my ear?  Yeah, I did that. 

Is it so simple that I'm looking right past it?  He's charged with what, bribery and corruption?  So, who did he bribe?  Where's the corruption?  Again, tell me if I'm missing something here.  My understanding is that Person was paid money by an agent/financial advisor whatever it was, to steer Auburn players with NBA potential to their firm.  He's also accused of giving cash to the mother/parents of said potential NBA players, most likely to help move that process along. 

Okay, where's the bribery? Where's the corruption?  Violations of NCAA policy?  Absolutely!  Tax evasion?  Yeah, probably so.  I doubt anybody is reporting that money.  But the question remains.  How does any of that fall within the realm of what he's charged with?

Now the football reference to keep it in this forum.  I didn't get the Logan Young thing anymore than I do the current dealio.  Young paid a high school coach $150K to make sure that coach pimped the hell out of Alabama and hopefully get him to sign there.  Again, tax issues?  For sure.  Where is the Federal Crime?  He was charged under RICO Statutes, but maybe I've been too lazy to read enough in the case law to find out how far reaching they are.

Are they all NCAA violations?  Yep, I get that. And I'm not trying to lessen what Person did with regard to our program.  We fucked and they ain't no gittin' around it.  But I'm still trying to tie all this in with bribery and corruption.  Somebody school a lawyer.

Feds aren't getting their beak wet. Person individually may be small potatoes, maybe, but this is clearly about a grand scale dragnet.

100% why they're involved.

[chinook]

Feds aren't getting their beak wet. Person individually may be small potatoes, maybe, but this is clearly about a grand scale dragnet.

100% why they're involved.

a golden retriever told us that earlier.

[Godfather]

Yes and

Yes.

He is also defrauding the Parents and the Kids.  It may not be in their best interests to go pro or go to that particular agent.

As an advisor, you have a legal obligation to do what is the best interests of your clients.

It would be the same thing as a financial advisor taking money from Company A in exchange for putting all of his clients into Company A. 

[Godfather]

a golden retriever told us that earlier.

[Kaos]

He is also defrauding the Parents and the Kids.  It may not be in their best interests to go pro or go to that particular agent.

As an advisor, you have a legal obligation to do what is the best interests of your clients.

It would be the same thing as a financial advisor taking money from Company A in exchange for putting all of his clients into Company A.

So giving bad advice is a federal crime? 

I am a little confused here.

[chinook]

So giving bad advice is a federal crime? 

I am a little confused here.

I believe when Ben Franklin gets involved.

[Godfather]

So giving bad advice is a federal crime? 

I am a little confused here.

That's not giving bad advice.  It's doing something right or wrong because you get money from it.

I will use the financial advisor analogy again because I used to be one.  If you are an elderly person who is just looking for a stable financial dividend and low risk.  But I get a kickback from John Smith to sell his highly risky volatile stock and I advise you to put all your money into that stock. 

That isn't in your best intrest....its in my best interest.  The best interest for my wallet.  As an advisor (someone who advises) I have the fiduciary duty to you my client.

(Sidenote: This happens all the fucking time, and if you get caught you are looking at fines, losing your license, and possible jail time.)

[Kaos]

That's not giving bad advice.  It's doing something right or wrong because you get money from it.

I will use the financial advisor analogy again because I used to be one.  If you are an elderly person who is just looking for a stable financial dividend and low risk.  But I get a kickback from John Smith to sell his highly risky volatile stock and I advise you to put all your money into that stock. 

That isn't in your best intrest....its in my best interest.  The best interest for my wallet.  As an advisor (someone who advises) I have the fiduciary duty to you my client.

(Sidenote: This happens all the fucking time, and if you get caught you are looking at fines, losing your license, and possible jail time.)

I saw Christopher Moltisanti do that. He still got to fuck Adriana.  Win-win.

[WiregrassTiger]

I'm thinking things may not be as bad as they originally seemed. I'm holding on to hope that we keep Pearl and minimal sanctions.

I don't care about the sanctions. Just keep Pearl!

[WiregrassTiger]

Yes and

Yes.

It's probably best if you just let me handle the legal questions.