Chuck & Nancy's Minion

[AUChizad]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/06/schumer-and-pelosi-offer-support-for-harvey-aid-and-debt-limit-boost-242376

Trump sides with Democrats in debt limit, funding, Harvey deal
The agreement sets up a brutal year-end fiscal cliff.

Donald Trump, who casts himself as a master negotiator, took the first offer Democrats put on the table.

Republicans left the Oval Office Wednesday stunned. Trump had quickly sided with Democrats on a short-term debt ceiling increase, even overruling his own Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to concur with "Chuck and Nancy," as he later called them on Air Force One.

But Trump defied more than his top aides. He turned on Republican leaders in Congress when he caved to Democrats’ demands to raise the debt limit and fund the government for three months, setting up a brutal year-end fiscal cliff. The move shocked everyone, as top White House officials and GOP leaders had been gearing up to raise the debt ceiling through the 2018 midterm election, looking to pass legislation as soon as Friday.

But even after Mnuchin, Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell pushed back on the Democratic demands in the meeting, Trump agreed to the three-month deal that will also head off the possibility of a government shutdown until mid-December.

During the meeting, Ryan sharply criticized the Democratic proposal, a source familiar with the exchange said. But Schumer reminded him that Ryan had supported short-term increases in the past intended to help create bipartisan deals in 2013.

So after Democrats rejected GOP proposals to raise the debt ceiling for 18 months, and then six months — Trump endorsed Schumer’s three-month pitch.

The Treasury Department will likely be able to buy more time for Congress on the debt limit into 2018. But the Wednesday deal still means Congress will have to raise the debt ceiling, negotiate a massive trillion-dollar spending bill, and potentially hash out a deal on immigration all at once or in quick succession.

Democrats were gleeful.

"Both sides have every intention of avoiding default in December and look forward to working together on the many issues before us," said Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi.

Trump also touted his actions on Air Force One en route to North Dakota for an event on tax reform.

"We essentially came to a deal and I think the deal will be very good," Trump said.

Capitol Hill Republicans, loath to vote twice to raise the debt ceiling, were less than pleased. They said privately that Trump caved too quickly, relinquishing the GOP’s leverage. And they worried that Trump would do the same in future deals.

"I think our members would probably want to see something that goes significantly longer than that," said Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, the No. 3 GOP leader, when asked about the short-term debt limit proposal.

One senior Republican aide spoke more bluntly on background: “The president of the United States just handed a loaded gun to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.”

The meeting came after congressional Democrats turned the screws on the president and GOP leaders, who need Democratic votes to raise the debt limit and avert a default.

Democratic leaders said Wednesday morning that they'd offer Trump their votes for a package delivering aid to victims of Hurricane Harvey and raising the debt ceiling only until mid-December. GOP leaders, eager to avoid multiple contentious votes on the debt ceiling, want to raise the debt ceiling through late 2018.

“Given Republican difficulty in finding the votes for their plan, we believe this proposal offers a bipartisan path forward to ensure prompt delivery of Harvey aid as well as avoiding a default, while both sides work together to address government funding, DREAMers, and health care,” Schumer and Pelosi said in a joint statement.

The move by congressional Democrats was intended to preserve their leverage later this year on other issues, even though in the past, Democrats, including both Schumer and Pelosi, have said the debt ceiling should not be a topic of negotiation. But Democratic leaders were emboldened because Republicans needed significant Democratic support on the spending and debt legislation, which is expected to split congressional Republicans.

Indeed, significant numbers of Republican defections were expected on the legislation, and debt ceiling votes typically draw opposition from conservatives who demand spending cuts in return.

During a Wednesday morning press conference Speaker Paul Ryan blasted Democrats’ opening salvo as “ridiculous and disgraceful,” accusing them of playing politics “at a moment when we have fellow citizens in need.”

“Let's think about this: We’ve got all this devastation in Texas. We’ve got another unprecedented hurricane about to hit Florida. And they want to play politics with the debt ceiling?” Ryan (R-Wis.) said. “That will strand the aid that we need to bring to the victims of these storms.”

That's the exact message the White House had been sending to Capitol Hill. FEMA officials told lawmakers Tuesday that they'll run out of emergency funding as soon as Friday. Compounding that, Treasury officials began arguing they couldn't pay FEMA claims to victims unless the debt ceiling is increased immediately.

That's why GOP leaders told House Republicans during a closed-door conference meeting Wednesday that Republicans would remain in town — even through the weekend — until a Harvey-debt ceiling package is signed by the president.

But Trump upended GOP leadership's plans during the White House meeting. Sources familiar with the discussions said Ryan and McConnell made it clear that they didn’t agree with Schumer or Pelosi. When Democrats wouldn't agree, they pushed for a six-month debt ceiling increase instead of the full 18 months.

Trump appeared to tire of the back and forth when Democrats wouldn’t cave to the six-month increase. He struck a deal — or at least, what he saw as one — cutting Mnuchin off mid-sentence as he argued against the merits of a short-term debt increase. The room went silent. Everyone was stunned.

Republicans returned to the Capitol disheartened. They thought they could call Democrats' bluff on the matter and were ready to exit the meeting as a standstill. One senior GOP aide said the whole experience was "mystifying.”

“Maybe it's about the wall, I don't know,” this person said. “None of it makes any sense.”

Unlike now, Republicans in December won’t have a disaster relief bill to help win support for a debt ceiling increase — always a tough vote for Republicans — said another GOP source.

Democratic leadership staff began discussing a short-term debt ceiling strategy before the August recess, according to several Democratic sources following the talks. Some staff floated the idea of only agreeing to temporary increases in the debt ceiling until Republicans promised that tax reform will not add to the deficit.

The ongoing conversation suggests Democrats were ready to play hardball on the debt ceiling even before the hurricanes that have threatened Texas, Louisiana and Florida.

The short-term debt-limit strategy allows Democrats to say they're not flirting with default but also buys them the time they want to negotiate and use their leverage for other big-ticket items from immigration to government funding. The items mentioned in their Wednesday release — a debt limit hike, government spending, hurricane aid and protection for Dreamers — could in theory be rolled into one giant package later this year, though Democrats are more focused on ensuring that all those measures are bipartisan, according to Democratic aides.

But two debt limit votes would be painful for Republican leaders, who are already pulling teeth to get one increase in the nation's borrowing limit over the finish-line. Trump himself, GOP leadership sources say, will have to get involved to muster enough Republican votes for a single Harvey-debt limit package — and that's assuming every Democrat backs the bill.

“No one wants to revisit this,” said Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.) coming out of the GOP conference meeting.

Not all Republicans hated the idea when Democrats floated it, however. One GOP leadership ally, Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), suggested he wasn't opposed to the Democrats' proposal.

“Look, a short term increase in the debt limit so that they can handle this is a sensible thing, in my view," the Oklahoma Republican said, arguing that it might even be preferable to leadership's long-term debt increase strategy. "That’s not like an 18-month deal.... I think it would have a lot more difficulty than something short term. So we’ll have to wait and see."

After the deal was struck, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) defended the president’s actions: "I don't know that he sided with the Democrats. He made an agreement.”

If this were Kasich or Jeb! or Cruz or you-name-the-actual-Republican-here doing this he would be cuck of all cucks, but Trump can shoot someone on 5th avenue and wouldn't lose a vote.

Seriously, this is what you call making deals? At least he's not making deals with totally-not-conservative-enough Paul Ryan, amirite?

I look forward to Hannity having Schumer and Pelosi on his show next week to praise their leadership, vision, and conservative bone fides.

I'm trying my damndest to enjoy football and stay away from the trainwreck that is modern American politics, but it doesn't seem possible.

[AUChizad]

Oh, and that was the same day as this.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/20739/oh-no-trump-tweets-warm-feelings-toward-dreamersat-ben-shapiro

OH NO: Trump Tweets Warm Feelings Toward DREAMers...At Pelosi's Request. Yes, Really.

and this

http://www.chicagotribune.com/g00/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-heitkamp-north-dakota-20170906-story.html?i10c.referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F

'A good woman': Did Trump help Democrat Heidi Heitkamp get re-elected in North Dakota?

[CCTAU]

It will be OK prowler. You'll be fine.

[chinook]

I'm trying my damndest to enjoy football and stay away from the trainwreck that is modern American politics, but it doesn't seem possible.

 

[Kaos]

Jesus Heezros. 

This is what you wanted.  Somebody who wouldn't hew to party politics and make decisions based on what he thought was right, regardless of where the ideas came from. 

So the media, which has been blowing Schumer and nibbling Nancy like a fluffer at a 30 person gang bang porno shoot, suddenly thinks they are morons and dangerous because Trump backs their plan? And you're pissing and moaning too?

Maybe it's not the best idea. But in the grand scheme it's small.  It keeps the government from shutting down at a time when the Harvey mess is being counted and there are possibly two more are gonna lay some waste. Maybe, just maybe, Trump also wants to shake things up just a little so he can get his things done with less histrionics from that side.  Hard for them to claim he's a republican despot when he listens to their argument and taken their side.

Stop relying on comedians and fools for your political news. Wake up to the fact that Trump is a lot smarter than you and than you give him credit for. There is no "trainwreck" except in the minds of triggered little bitches who can't bear to admit the truth. Everything is better since Trump was elected.

[AUChizad]

So the media, which has been blowing Schumer and nibbling Nancy like a fluffer at a 30 person gang bang porno shoot, suddenly thinks they are morons and dangerous because Trump backs their plan? And you're pissing and moaning too?

Citation needed.

Maybe it's not the best idea. But in the grand scheme it's small.  It keeps the government from shutting down at a time when the Harvey mess is being counted and there are possibly two more are gonna lay some waste. Maybe, just maybe, Trump also wants to shake things up just a little so he can get his things done with less histrionics from that side.  Hard for them to claim he's a republican despot when he listens to their argument and taken their side.

Again, zero point zero percent chance you or any other Trump loyalist would say this about literally any actual, sorry, "establishment" Republican.

Stop relying on comedians and fools for your political news.

This is no truer the 500th time you're saying it than it was the first.

Wake up to the fact that Trump is a lot smarter than you and than you give him credit for. There is no "trainwreck" except in the minds of triggered little bitches who can't bear to admit the truth. Everything is better since Trump was elected.

[jmar]

Jesus Heezros. 

This is what you wanted.  Somebody who wouldn't hew to party politics and make decisions based on what he thought was right, regardless of where the ideas came from. 

So the media, which has been blowing Schumer and nibbling Nancy like a fluffer at a 30 person gang bang porno shoot, suddenly thinks they are morons and dangerous because Trump backs their plan? And you're pissing and moaning too?

Maybe it's not the best idea. But in the grand scheme it's small.  It keeps the government from shutting down at a time when the Harvey mess is being counted and there are possibly two more are gonna lay some waste. Maybe, just maybe, Trump also wants to shake things up just a little so he can get his things done with less histrionics from that side.  Hard for them to claim he's a republican despot when he listens to their argument and taken their side.

Stop relying on comedians and fools for your political news. Wake up to the fact that Trump is a lot smarter than you and than you give him credit for. There is no "trainwreck" except in the minds of triggered little bitches who can't bear to admit the truth. Everything is better since Trump was elected.

Never been a Trump fan but I think I like him more each day  given my growing hatred for those opposed to working with him from either party.

[Kaos]

Citation needed.

There's not enough space in this forum for the quotes I could use.

Again, zero point zero percent chance you or any other Trump loyalist would say this about literally any actual, sorry, "establishment" Republican.

Citation needed.

This is no truer the 500th time you're saying it than it was the first.

Oh, it's true.  It's proven.  Everybody knows it.  There was even a poll. 

You've proven it in the links and citations you've posted to support your positions for the last 18 months. 

Also proven. 

Name one thing worse since Trump's election that doesn't rely on the hysterical bawling from the left as verification. 

Economy? Better
National Security?  Better
Immigration?  Better

It's all better than it was. 

[Snaggletiger]

I honestly don't know enough about debt ceilings or the ins and outs of government shutdowns to talk intelligently about it.  (Or a lot of other things for that matter) 

I don't know if this was the case, but if he agreed with their plan because it keeps everybody from playing politics when bad shit has happened (Harvey) and is about to happen (Irma), I have no problem with it.  People need help and many more are about to join them and if they don't get it because politicians are acting like spoiled little bitches, then toss them all out on their collective asses.

[CCTAU]

Jesus Heezros. 
There is no "trainwreck" except in the minds of triggered little bitches who can't bear to admit the truth. Everything is better since Trump was elected.

^^^THIS^^^^ would have sufficed!

[WiregrassTiger]

I honestly don't know enough about debt ceilings or the ins and outs of government shutdowns to talk intelligently about it.  (Or a lot of other things for that matter) 

Never stopped you before with anything else. Never, ever.

[Snaggletiger]

Never stopped you before with anything else. Never, ever.

I'll beat you up. 

[Kaos]

I just find it incredibly dishonest and a clear indicator of a biased mindset when they bitch because Trump "won't work with democrats" and then bitch again when he does.

The republicans have control. They aren't getting shit done. Trump likes for shit to get done. Is it any surprise, really, that he's figuring out how to do that?  He's always been about making the deal.  He tried butting heads -- and will continue to do so -- but this small move averts an immediate "crisis" and gives him leverage with his biggest detractors.

How can the howling mob criticize him when he backs a plan supported by their pets?

Chizad just showed how. 

 

[jmar]

Not really political. But short of an overhaul of the Affordable Care Act and building a border wall, there is no reason for this administration not to advance its agenda. McConnell and Ryan should never be obstacles. The fucking debt ceiling isn't an authored bill to fuss over who takes credit and they are obstructionists toward progress in the wake of mounting natural disasters. It's unforgivable that they refuse to work with the man.

[GH2001]

On the surface one would say it's the dreaded pivot. As the Federalist said - the pivot is real and it's spectacular

But I think this is a pure chess move or power play by the Don. This is him pulling out his ball sack, grabbing them, giving Ryan and McConnell the middle finger - and saying "don't fuck with me again". Or the next time the unholy alliance will be much more than this marginal one.

Not going to say I agree or disagree with it really. But is a ballsy if not dangerous move depending on how the entire GOP on Capitol Hill takes it. He could ruffle the feathers of some that he needs that have been supportive of him. He could cut off the arm to spite the finger.

[GH2001]

I just find it incredibly dishonest and a clear indicator of a biased mindset when they bitch because Trump "won't work with democrats" and then bitch again when he does.

The republicans have control. They aren't getting shit done. Trump likes for shit to get done. Is it any surprise, really, that he's figuring out how to do that?  He's always been about making the deal.  He tried butting heads -- and will continue to do so -- but this small move averts an immediate "crisis" and gives him leverage with his biggest detractors.

How can the howling mob criticize him when he backs a plan supported by their pets?

Chizad just showed how. 

 

But siding with the minority party also won't get shit done. IF.... he manages to alienate the entire other side. Have to be careful here. He needs the entire dem base and about 1/3 of the GOP to still get anything worthwhile passed. And depending on how the legislation is written (budget reconciliation process or not) he may also need a super majority in the senate to prevent filibuster.

[Ogre]

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised at this.  Trump is not a conservative and never has been.  And if he gets rid of the debt ceiling all together as he hinted at yesterday, all bets are off.  The country is already in a financial hole so deep my grandkids won't be able to dig out of it, but that would truly signal the beginning of the end for our country. 

But who cares about all that sissy talk?  #MAGA!!!1!

[AUChizad]

There's not enough space in this forum for the quotes I could use.

Just one will be fine.

I've done a lot of googling and can't find a single example of the media turning their backs on Pelosi & Schumer. After all, you'd think I'd have seen it come up from one of the comedians I solely get my news from that I actually haven't watched at all in years, and NEVER watched without taking their bits with a grain of salt.

This is all I can come up with.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/schumer-and-pelosi-just-totally-suckered-trump/2017/09/07/fcc79ec6-93f4-11e7-8754-d478688d23b4_story.html?utm_term=.4ed31535d19b

Schumer and Pelosi just totally suckered Trump

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/349727-power-shift-as-trump-opens-door-to-schumer-pelosi

Power shift as Trump opens door to Schumer, Pelosi

This one from a literal communist rag really rips 'em apart.
http://www.peoplesworld.org/article/are-schumer-and-pelosi-foxes-in-the-trump-henhouse/

Are Schumer and Pelosi foxes in the Trump henhouse?

Oh, it's true.  It's proven.  Everybody knows it.  There was even a poll. 

You've proven it in the links and citations you've posted to support your positions for the last 18 months. 

Citation of said citation needed. This is #FakeNews. When the flying fuck have I ever said "You know, the wage gap is totes real because I saw a segment on the Daily Show where Trevor Noah EVISCERATED its critics." Fuck outta here with that.

I just find it incredibly dishonest and a clear indicator of a biased mindset when they bitch because Trump "won't work with democrats" and then bitch again when he does.

The republicans have control. They aren't getting shit done. Trump likes for shit to get done. Is it any surprise, really, that he's figuring out how to do that?  He's always been about making the deal.  He tried butting heads -- and will continue to do so -- but this small move averts an immediate "crisis" and gives him leverage with his biggest detractors.

How can the howling mob criticize him when he backs a plan supported by their pets?

Chizad just showed how. 

 

You are utterly confused as to who your enemies are, or fail to distinguish between the factions at least. Hint: There is literally zero overlap between people who "bitch because Trump "won't work with democrats"" and those who "bitch again when he does". Zero.

Anyway, I'm checking out again. Have fun defending a literal lifelong Democrat siding with literal Congressional Democrats over a literal majority Republican Congress to impose literal baseline Democratic policies to prove you're a true Republican.

[jmar]

No reason for either house to treat him like Jimmy Carter and hasten an inevitable and possibly protracted recession that could be avoided for a couple of years longer, possibly the duration of his entire first term if they would just get beyond this jealous, butthurt aversion they have to him.

[Kaos]

Just one will be fine.

I've done a lot of googling and can't find a single example of the media turning their backs on Pelosi & Schumer. After all, you'd think I'd have seen it come up from one of the comedians I solely get my news from that I actually haven't watched at all in years, and NEVER watched without taking their bits with a grain of salt.

This is all I can come up with.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/schumer-and-pelosi-just-totally-suckered-trump/2017/09/07/fcc79ec6-93f4-11e7-8754-d478688d23b4_story.html?utm_term=.4ed31535d19b
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/349727-power-shift-as-trump-opens-door-to-schumer-pelosi
This one from a literal communist rag really rips 'em apart.
http://www.peoplesworld.org/article/are-schumer-and-pelosi-foxes-in-the-trump-henhouse/
Citation of said citation needed. This is #FakeNews. When the flying fuck have I ever said "You know, the wage gap is totes real because I saw a segment on the Daily Show where Trevor Noah EVISCERATED its critics." Fuck outta here with that.
You are utterly confused as to who your enemies are, or fail to distinguish between the factions at least. Hint: There is literally zero overlap between people who "bitch because Trump "won't work with democrats"" and those who "bitch again when he does". Zero.

Anyway, I'm checking out again. Have fun defending a literal lifelong Democrat siding with literal Congressional Democrats over a literal majority Republican Congress to impose literal baseline Democratic policies to prove you're a true Republican.

Ahhhhhh.....

Not worth it.  You see what you want to see. 

You wrong about a whole lot of that.