TrumpCare 3.0 not gonna make it...

The Prowler · « **on:** July 18, 2017, 07:37:04 AM »

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/how-the-republican-health-care-bill-fell-apart/index.html?sr=fbCNN071817how-the-republican-health-care-bill-fell-apart0711AMVODtop

Here's an idea...something the Republicans could've been working on for the past 8 years or so...make some tweeks to ObamaCare (hint: focus on the negatives and work on them). They can even rename it TrumpBiglyCare or whatever the fuck they wanna call it.

AUJarhead · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2017, 08:14:29 AM »

These mother fuckers had 6 fucking years to come up with a plan. 6 goddamn years, and they can't get shit they agree on. They voted to repeal, when Obama is in there, knowing that it will get vetoed, and they don't have the votes to override it, because they know it plays well with the masses. Now, they won't, because they are fucking spineless.

Democrats are a party of really awful, shitty, fucking ideas. Republicans are a party of no fucking ideas.

Fuck both parties.

Kaos · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2017, 09:51:28 AM »

It should never have been enacted in the first place.

The best move is to get rid of it completely and take a couple of steps back from raw socialism.

The problem is that we have a President willing to do what's unpopular (among the entitled class) for the good of the country, but a House and Senate afraid to do anything because they're afraid of what the media will say or that they might lose a vote here and there. So they waffle hoping it will all go away.

Too bad Trump can't fire them all.

War Eagle!!! · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2017, 09:55:42 AM »

Quote from: Kaos on July 18, 2017, 09:51:28 AM

It should never have been enacted in the first place.

The best move is to get rid of it completely and take a couple of steps back from raw socialism.

Agreed. But as Obama knew, once an entitlement was given, it is hard as hell for it to be taken back. The democrats scream about the GOP taking healthcare away from millions when it never should have been given in the first place. Obama set the standard on free healthcare, and it will take a massive movement (which isn't going to happen) to reverse the decision.

AUJarhead · « **Reply #4 on:** July 18, 2017, 09:57:25 AM »

Quote from: Kaos on July 18, 2017, 09:51:28 AM

It should never have been enacted in the first place.

I think some here said it when it was first passed, that it was intended to fail. Fail to move us to single payer. Throw all this money at it, and when it fails (which every one here opposed to it said it would), the only solution would be going to single payer.

Kaos · « **Reply #5 on:** July 18, 2017, 10:07:50 AM »

Quote from: War Eagle!!! on July 18, 2017, 09:55:42 AM

Agreed. But as Obama knew, once an entitlement was given, it is hard as hell for it to be taken back. The democrats scream about the GOP taking healthcare away from millions when it never should have been given in the first place. Obama set the standard on free healthcare, and it will take a massive movement (which isn't going to happen) to reverse the decision.

I think the movement is there but the media won't let it be seen. They keep the Beltway sheep in fear by focusing on the minority protests.

Ogre · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2017, 10:17:52 AM »

Quote from: AUJarhead on July 18, 2017, 09:57:25 AM

I think some here said it when it was first passed, that it was intended to fail. Fail to move us to single payer. Throw all this money at it, and when it fails (which every one here opposed to it said it would), the only solution would be going to single payer.

CCTAU · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2017, 03:53:46 PM »

I kinda like how its working out. This is not on Trump and he is showing that congress has been sitting on its ass for far too long.

They worry about the consequences ans not about doing what they were elected to to. I predict a new plan will pass about this time next year.

Kaos · « **Reply #8 on:** July 18, 2017, 09:01:16 PM »

The only part of the plan I don't fully understand is its certain failure.

Did Obama really want his name attached to this disastrous turd knowing that it was going to crash and burn just in time for Hillary to ride in, put the entire insurance industry out of business and fold it into the government? Was he that dedicated to the socialist agenda that he'd allow his legacy to be besmirched?

I can see if there was some quid pro quo where she agreed to blame republicans for not letting him go far enough with his plan and kept his name on top of it. But they were not that close were they?

They damn sure never expected Trump to win and have a fight on their hands to keep any of it.

It was better the way it was. Most rational people recognize that. More governmental meddling isn't the answer. Repeal. Never replace.

The Prowler · « **Reply #9 on:** July 18, 2017, 11:13:34 PM »

Quote

He promised vengeance if Republicans did not pass the bill -- but little incentive for doubtful senators to get behind him, perhaps not the most effective strategy for a President with low approval ratings.

"I don't even want to talk about it because I think it would be very bad," Trump said in an interview last week with Christian Broadcasting Network. "I will be very angry about it and a lot of people will be very upset."

Ohhh...is he going to have a widdle tantrum and blame everyone else, but himself?

YUP

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"We were let down by all of the Democrats and a few Republicans. Most Republicans were loyal, terrific & worked really hard. We will return!" Trump tweeted on Tuesday morning.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/trump-health-care-failure/index.html?sr=fbCNN071817trump-health-care-failure0813PMVODtopLink

CCTAU · « **Reply #10 on:** July 19, 2017, 12:16:41 AM »

Actually he's holding them accountable.
The American public is listening.

Kaos · « **Reply #11 on:** July 19, 2017, 12:46:39 AM »

Quote from: The Prowler on July 18, 2017, 11:13:34 PM

Ohhh...is he going to have a widdle tantrum and blame everyone else, but himself?

YUP

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/trump-health-care-failure/index.html?sr=fbCNN071817trump-health-care-failure0813PMVODtopLink

Can you discuss the specifics without acting like an ass?

The Prowler · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2017, 02:39:40 AM »

Quote from: CCTAU on July 19, 2017, 12:16:41 AM

Actually he's holding them accountable.
The American public is listening.

I know that atleast 22 Million are listening.

The Prowler · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2017, 06:40:40 AM »

Quote from: Kaos on July 19, 2017, 12:46:39 AM

Can you discuss the specifics without acting like an ass?

This is a specific man-child tantrum...

"...we'll just let Obamacare fail. We're not going to own it. I'm not going to own it. I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it. We'll let Obamacare fail..."

Basically this..."Obamacare is a bad law that will fail if we do nothing. So, we will let it fail because then we won't take the blame for its failure. Then Democrats, who will take the blame, will come crawling to us wanting to make a deal because the politics will be so bad for them."

I guess Trump and his Trumpets forgot that the Republicans own the majority in D.C. can't blame Obama anymore.

Kaos · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2017, 08:56:40 AM »

Quote from: The Prowler on July 19, 2017, 06:40:40 AM

This is a specific man-child tantrum...

"...we'll just let Obamacare fail. We're not going to own it. I'm not going to own it. I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it. We'll let Obamacare fail..."

Basically this..."Obamacare is a bad law that will fail if we do nothing. So, we will let it fail because then we won't take the blame for its failure. Then Democrats, who will take the blame, will come crawling to us wanting to make a deal because the politics will be so bad for them."

I guess Trump and his Trumpets forgot that the Republicans own the majority in D.C. can't blame Obama anymore.

So no, then.

Just establishing the parameters.

CCTAU · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2017, 05:30:27 PM »

Quote from: The Prowler on July 19, 2017, 06:40:40 AM

This is a specific man-child tantrum...

"...we'll just let Obamacare fail. We're not going to own it. I'm not going to own it. I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it. We'll let Obamacare fail..."

Basically this..."Obamacare is a bad law that will fail if we do nothing. So, we will let it fail because then we won't take the blame for its failure. Then Democrats, who will take the blame, will come crawling to us wanting to make a deal because the politics will be so bad for them."

I guess Trump and his Trumpets forgot that the Republicans own the majority in D.C. can't blame Obama anymore.

Libtatd logic, can't blame obummer for obummercare!

The Prowler · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2017, 05:51:01 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on July 18, 2017, 10:07:50 AM

I think the movement is there but the media won't let it be seen. They keep the Beltway sheep in fear by focusing on the minority protests.

The majority of Americans don't want to see 32 Million lose their coverage nor do they want to see their premiums increase by 25-50%, per the CBO on the repeal but not replace.

AUTailgatingRules · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2017, 09:13:37 PM »

Quote from: The Prowler on July 19, 2017, 05:51:01 PM

The majority of Americans don't want to see 32 Million lose their coverage nor do they want to see their premiums increase by 25-50%, per the CBO on the repeal but not replace.

Stop Lying. 32 million are not going to "lose" their insurance. Those people will CHOOSE not to purchase insurance. It will still be available to them, they will not buy it.

BIG BIG BIG difference

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2017, 10:18:27 PM »

Increase by 25%-50%? What the holy hell? My premiums more than doubled under Obama and I estimate I have 30-40% less coverage with a $3,000.00 deductible. I'm paying over $20,000.00 per year for less coverage. We've now lost 2 employees strictly because of Obamacare. That's what is real to me Prowler.

WiregrassTiger · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2017, 10:50:43 PM »

Quote from: Snaggletiger on July 19, 2017, 10:18:27 PM

Increase by 25%-50%? What the holy hell? My premiums more than doubled under Obama and I estimate I have 30-40% less coverage with a $3,000.00 deductible. I'm paying over $20,000.00 per year for less coverage. We've now lost 2 employees strictly because of Obamacare. That's what is real to me Prowler.

Yep. At 21,600. 1800 mo.

Pre Obama at around 1k. I'm not blaming everything on him but it's just fact it went up that much.