Prowler

[Godfather]

I have a question....actually multiple.  You can take this for what it's worth, but I'm being genuine.  I have never called you names on here (to my knowledge), I know we have had disagreements but you are still a fellow Auburn fan. 

I don't really know you even though I have met you before in brief settings in real life.  I love Jumbo and I know you are his boy, so I have to believe you are good people.  I have no problems with someone having a different opinion than me, wesfau2 for instance, one of my best friends (politically we don't agree, and that is ok).  Sufficed to what people believe and have said on here you are no idiot. 

What I presume to know about you is through your posts and Jumbo.  You work hard.  You have a solid job.  Not sure if you own or rent a home, but I presume you live a nice life.  You aren't on the government dime. I believe you have work-related healthcare, like most of us. Correct me if I am wrong on any of my presumptions.

Ok questions some of these are multiple so I apologize.  I'm not being a dick or trolling you.  I'm curious as to why you have some of the ideas you have. 

1. You supported Bernie Sanders, who in his own words believes in socialism.  Why do you think socialism would be a good fit in the US?
2. Socialism has shown over the years to constantly fail.  Why do you think it would work here?
3. Were your parent's immigrants? How do you feel about immigration? 
4. Should the government be more involved in our lives or less?
5. Do believe you have white privilege? why/why not?
6. Do you believe that there is a wage gap? why/why not?
7. I know you are left on social issues.  Do you lean left or right on fiscal issues?
8. What is your stance on abortion?
9. What is your biggest gripe against Trump?
10. Should we have free healthcare for all? Why?
11. Should the rich pay more taxes or less? why?

You can choose to answer these questions or not answer them... whatever you choose.  I am actually curious as I would like to have a civil discussion with you on these issues. 

[WiregrassTiger]

Don't take the bait P. Fuck the Man.

[Kaos]

I have a question....actually multiple.  You can take this for what it's worth, but I'm being genuine.  I have never called you names on here (to my knowledge), I know we have had disagreements but you are still a fellow Auburn fan. 

I don't really know you even though I have met you before in brief settings in real life.  I love Jumbo and I know you are his boy, so I have to believe you are good people.  I have no problems with someone having a different opinion than me, wesfau2 for instance, one of my best friends (politically we don't agree, and that is ok).  Sufficed to what people believe and have said on here you are no idiot. 

What I presume to know about you is through your posts and Jumbo.  You work hard.  You have a solid job.  Not sure if you own or rent a home, but I presume you live a nice life.  You aren't on the government dime. I believe you have work-related healthcare, like most of us. Correct me if I am wrong on any of my presumptions.

Ok questions some of these are multiple so I apologize.  I'm not being a dick or trolling you.  I'm curious as to why you have some of the ideas you have. 

1. You supported Bernie Sanders, who in his own words believes in socialism.  Why do you think socialism would be a good fit in the US?
2. Socialism has shown over the years to constantly fail.  Why do you think it would work here?
3. Were your parent's immigrants? How do you feel about immigration? 
4. Should the government be more involved in our lives or less?
5. Do believe you have white privilege? why/why not?
6. Do you believe that there is a wage gap? why/why not?
7. I know you are left on social issues.  Do you lean left or right on fiscal issues?
8. What is your stance on abortion?
9. What is your biggest gripe against Trump?
10. Should we have free healthcare for all? Why?
11. Should the rich pay more taxes or less? why?

You can choose to answer these questions or not answer them... whatever you choose.  I am actually curious as I would like to have a civil discussion with you on these issues.

I think you misspelled gutter hore. 

smh

[AUChizad]

This thread is a good start.

I too am not trolling when I say I hope he answers these based on his own thoughts without having to copypasta.

[WiregrassTiger]

This thread is a good start.

I too am not trolling I say I hope he answers these based on his own thoughts without having to copypasta.

Yeah well you've yet to answer numerous questions about your sexual identity. So, pump your brakes regarding Prowler.

[Token]

If there has ever been a day that we can go one thread without being a pile of assholes, this is it.

[Kaos]

If there has ever been a day that we can go one thread without being a pile of assholes, this is it.

I feel triggered. 

[GH2001]

This thread is a good start.

I too am not trolling when I say I hope he answers these based on his own thoughts without having to copypasta.

You guys act as if he hasn't had this opportunity before now.

[Kaos]

You guys act as if he hasn't had this opportunity before now.

I know I been clowning, but seriously.  This. 

These waters have been chummed before.  You're not going to pull a cogent shark out of them. 

[War Eagle!!!]

I have a question....actually multiple.  You can take this for what it's worth, but I'm being genuine.  I have never called you names on here (to my knowledge), I know we have had disagreements but you are still a fellow Auburn fan. 

I don't really know you even though I have met you before in brief settings in real life.  I love Jumbo and I know you are his boy, so I have to believe you are good people.  I have no problems with someone having a different opinion than me, wesfau2 for instance, one of my best friends (politically we don't agree, and that is ok).  Sufficed to what people believe and have said on here you are no idiot. 

What I presume to know about you is through your posts and Jumbo.  You work hard.  You have a solid job.  Not sure if you own or rent a home, but I presume you live a nice life.  You aren't on the government dime. I believe you have work-related healthcare, like most of us. Correct me if I am wrong on any of my presumptions.

Ok questions some of these are multiple so I apologize.  I'm not being a dick or trolling you.  I'm curious as to why you have some of the ideas you have. 

1. You supported Bernie Sanders, who in his own words believes in socialism.  Why do you think socialism would be a good fit in the US?
2. Socialism has shown over the years to constantly fail.  Why do you think it would work here?
3. Were your parent's immigrants? How do you feel about immigration? 
4. Should the government be more involved in our lives or less?
5. Do believe you have white privilege? why/why not?
6. Do you believe that there is a wage gap? why/why not?
7. I know you are left on social issues.  Do you lean left or right on fiscal issues?
8. What is your stance on abortion?
9. What is your biggest gripe against Trump?
10. Should we have free healthcare for all? Why?
11. Should the rich pay more taxes or less? why?

You can choose to answer these questions or not answer them... whatever you choose.  I am actually curious as I would like to have a civil discussion with you on these issues.

[The Prowler]

1. You supported Bernie Sanders, who in his own words believes in socialism.  Why do you think socialism would be a good fit in the US? (Because it would be)

2. Socialism has shown over the years to constantly fail.  Why do you think it would work here? (We still use socialist programs. I think it would work better if people would care more for their neighbor).

3. Were your parent's immigrants? How do you feel about immigration? (Mother and my 3 aunts immigrated from Germany. They should be properly vetted. As for refugees, the vetting processes need to be expedient).

4. Should the government be more involved in our lives or less? (I'd like for them to be less involved).

5. Do believe you have white privilege? why/why not? (Yes. I've gotten pulled over a few times and I have yet to be shot at).

6. Do you believe that there is a wage gap? why/why not? (Yes. Any moron can see that).

7. I know you are left on social issues.  Do you lean left or right on fiscal issues? (Left)

8. What is your stance on abortion? (Pro-choice. It's the woman's body. I find it funny, some of the "pro-life" people in this Country are the same ones screaming at refugees or saying fuck the 23 Million Americans that are going to be kicked off of healthcare with TrumpCare).

9. What is your biggest gripe against Trump? (He's a fucking liar, literally anything he says is a lie. That is perfectly fine for a celebrity, but it is a huge mistake for a President...especially one that has an Ego the size of Trump's and doesn't know how to shut his mouth).

10. Should we have free healthcare for all? Why? (Yes, because healthcare isn't a privilege. Everyone deserves to have healthcare. The country spends more money on Medicare, Medicaid, & VA healthcare than it would cost to give everyone healthcare).

11. Should the rich pay more taxes or less? why? (The top 1% should be paying a lot more, they're the ones hiding Billions in offshore accounts)

[ssgaufan]

1. You supported Bernie Sanders, who in his own words believes in socialism.  Why do you think socialism would be a good fit in the US? (Because it would be)

4. Should the government be more involved in our lives or less? (I'd like for them to be less involved).

If you answered these two questions honestly, you have no clue how socialism works.

[AUChizad]

1. You supported Bernie Sanders, who in his own words believes in socialism.  Why do you think socialism would be a good fit in the US? (Because it would be)

I can tell right away this is going to be insightful...

2. Socialism has shown over the years to constantly fail.  Why do you think it would work here? (We still use socialist programs. I think it would work better if people would care more for their neighbor).

Social programs are not Socialist programs, Prowler. Have you heard of Venezuela? Take a peek at how Socialism is going for them.

4. Should the government be more involved in our lives or less? (I'd like for them to be less involved).

Please explains how this comports with your affinity for Socialism. I'm not trying to be insulting when I say, I seriously don't think you understand the meaning of the term.

5. Do believe you have white privilege? why/why not? (Yes. I've gotten pulled over a few times and I have yet to be shot at).

Do you believe that no non-white people in America can say this as well?

6. Do you believe that there is a wage gap? why/why not? (Yes. Any moron can see that).

That is not a why or a why not. What data/facts do you have to back this up? Do you understand that the difference in outcome is different than the difference in opportunity? Do you understand the factors that go into this statistic is the total wages for ALL women vs. ALL men, regardless of career choices, hours worked, or the voluntary choice to NOT work and be a stay-at-home mom?

Here is a video for you to "research" that breaks this down pretty clearly.

10. Should we have free healthcare for all? Why? (Yes, because healthcare isn't a privilege. Everyone deserves to have healthcare. The country spends more money on Medicare, Medicaid, & VA healthcare than it would cost to give everyone healthcare).

I'm not known for my math skills, but how exactly does the country spend more on these three super small segments of the much, much larger healthcare pie than it would cost for ALL health care of ALL people in this country? You might have forgotten to carry the one or something.

[Godfather]

1. You supported Bernie Sanders, who in his own words believes in socialism.  Why do you think socialism would be a good fit in the US? (Because it would be)

2. Socialism has shown over the years to constantly fail.  Why do you think it would work here? (We still use socialist programs. I think it would work better if people would care more for their neighbor).

I am going to try and discuss these with you one at a time, but I am going to discuss the first 2 together because they deal with the same principle.

Some of these I will also ask additional questions ...apologies for that. 

Do you currently like living in the US? 

With #1 you really didn't answer the question.  "Because it will" doesn't mean anything, why will it work?

See socialism preaches equality amongst others right?  I want equality too, but I want equal opportunity (which we currently have) not equal outcome. See the problem with socialism is people don't realize that there are still 2 classes, the poor which become 95% and the ultra rich which are the 5%.  Socialism makes everyone dirt poor because everyone is then equal right.  I have history to back me up on this.  Hell, I have Venezuela right now that says I am right.

You can honestly debate with me a system that Bernie Sanders wouldn't have to live by.  The man has 3 houses.  I don't own 3 houses...do you own 3 houses?   

Here's the thing, my father taught me to worry about myself.  Don't worry about what the other guy is making. That's what America is based on.  Any American can become anything they want to be (equal opportunity).  You can invent something and become a multi-millionaire. You can work your ass off and build a company.  The sky is the limit, we are only limited by our own attitudes. 

Caring for your neighbor is not socialism.  I agree with you that there are socialist programs in this country.  I would also say that many of them aren't working.  I would argue that Social Security is a socialist program and was developed to help the elderly after retirement to maintain a way of living.  The program is in shambles. 

Socialism brings more government into our lives (which is why your answer to question #4 "I'd like for them to be less involved" is contradictory and confusing to me.)

[Godfather]

3. Were your parent's immigrants? How do you feel about immigration? (Mother and my 3 aunts immigrated from Germany. They should be properly vetted. As for refugees, the vetting processes need to be expedient).

Don't have much to go on with you here, but I agree and disagree with you. 

I guess my question was also a bit ambiguous.  I probably should have asked: Do we have an immigration problem currently? How would you propose we fix it?  You answered some of that.

See I do believe we have a big immigration problem here.  Not as big as Europe, but if left unchecked would be.  I don't believe we should shut down our borders permanently but I do think we should shut them down until we figure out a better way to fix our immigration system.  I believe it was Dr. Charles Krauthammer who said that we should shut down our borders for 1-2 years, build the wall and in the meantime figure out how to correct our current system. 

I agree on your vetting, but I also want a cap on how many people are let in each year. 

[Token]

I'm sorry for my previous response in this thread. 

Carry on.

[Kaos]

I'm sorry for my previous response in this thread. 

Carry on.

I'm not.

Move along.

[The Prowler]

Don't have much to go on with you here, but I agree and disagree with you. 

I guess my question was also a bit ambiguous.  I probably should have asked: Do we have an immigration problem currently? How would you propose we fix it?  You answered some of that.

See I do believe we have a big immigration problem here.  Not as big as Europe, but if left unchecked would be.  I don't believe we should shut down our borders permanently but I do think we should shut them down until we figure out a better way to fix our immigration system.  I believe it was Dr. Charles Krauthammer who said that we should shut down our borders for 1-2 years, build the wall and in the meantime figure out how to correct our current system. 

I agree on your vetting, but I also want a cap on how many people are let in each year.

When Trump proposed the travel ban on the 7 Countries he and the rest of the White House stated then, that it would be a 90 day pause on those countries, while they figured out a better way to vet them. That was about 100 days ago...and nothing has been figured out, in fact, no one is looking into trying to figure out how to strength the process.

Also, the wall would likely take longer than 1-2 years to build, just look at Corridor X, that was started about 15 years ago.

I agree with a yearly cap.

[CCTAU]

1. You supported Bernie Sanders, who in his own words believes in socialism.  Why do you think socialism would be a good fit in the US? (Because it would be)

You lost any SANE American right there.


I too feel much pity for you and yours!

[chinook]

When Trump proposed the travel ban on the 7 Countries he and the rest of the White House stated then, that it would be a 90 day pause on those countries, while they figured out a better way to vet them. That was about 100 days ago...and nothing has been figured out, in fact, no one is looking into trying to figure out how to strength the process.

Also, the wall would likely take longer than 1-2 years to build, just look at Corridor X, that was started about 15 years ago.

I agree with a yearly cap.

ha. The Exc. order has been in legal limbo. Day 1 hasn't started.