Missiles away

[Pell City Tiger]

My Navy boys just launched a missile strike against the Assad regime in Syria in response to the chemical weapons attack against civilians yesterday.

I'm torn on this action. A large part of me says "this isn't a fight we need to be in" while another says that evil act cannot stand unpunished.

[Pell City Tiger]

60 Tomahawks just took out a military installation in Syria where the plane came from that launched the chemical weapons attack. The missiles were timed 1 minute apart to last for 1 hour. The warheads were 1000 lb war heads.

[AUJarhead]

I agree with you PCT with regard to being torn. But the more I think about it, this is the right thing to do. To do nothing is criminal.

[Pell City Tiger]

This is a fight that has been coming since the last administration's ill advised Arab Spring policy. A stupid, stupid move by the Clinton state department and John McCain.

[Snaggletiger]

I watched 3 different media outlets over the last hour to see what the coverage would be like.  Quite honestly, the overriding theme was this was a small scale, low risk action that simply sent a message and put few civilians and U.S. military personnel at risk. Even the MSNBC "expert" said as much, despite the guy with Rachel Maddow begging and pleading for a negative response.  Let me paraphrase one of his in-depth, non-biased questions that this asshole asked.

"So, we basically spend 30 million dollars to launch these missiles.  And every time one is launched, there is a collective sigh among everyone on board the ship because each and every missile launched puts our Navy personnel in danger....and a few craters on a meaningless airfield is all we get?" 

The "expert" again, said "No, this was a very strategic move simply carried out to send a message to Assad that we won't tolerate you launching gas attacks and killing your own people."

I even heard one of the analysts say that this also sends a message to numerous other countries, most notably, North Korea.       

[Token]

I don't like being involved in world conflict.  At all.  But it pisses me off to no end to see men and women having to spray their crying 3 year old children down with water hoses trying to save their lives from nerve agents unleashed by their own damn government.  I don't want to be part of a country that has the power to stop that bullshit but sits on their hands to spare someone's feelings. 

[Snaggletiger]

I don't like being involved in world conflict.  At all.  But it pisses me off to no end to see men and women having to spray their crying 3 year old children down with water hoses trying to save their lives from nerve agents unleashed by their own damn government.  I don't want to be part of a country that has the power to stop that bullshit but sits on their hands to spare someone's feelings.

This is troof.  I've long since been a proponent of taking a huge step back from being the world's police force.  Syria is a messed up, jumbled place, with multiple nations involved.  The Prez, Dictator, Leader...whatever, went waayyyy across the line and gassed his own people.  We can't and shouldn't try to take the country over.  But we can definitely sit on the outskirts of town and fuck shit up to let him know this won't fly.

[The Prowler]

About 4 years ago, something very similar happened in Syria. Syrian rebels were responsible for the gas attack 4 years ago and it's very likely they were responsible again. It was a "false flag" then and after more information is released, this time around, it's very likely going to be another false flag.

The US didn't bomb them in '13 and probably shouldn't have bombed them this time either.

Here's some tweets from Trump back in '13...

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.
1:14 PM - 29 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
If Obama attacks Syria and innocent civilians are hurt and killed, he and the U.S. will look very bad!
2:26 PM - 30 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
How bad has our "leader" made us look on Syria. Stay out of Syria, we don't have the leadership to win wars or even strategize.
4:28 PM - 30 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
"@mguarino64: @realDonaldTrump " How would you treat the Syria situation if president?" I'd let them all fight with each other-focus on US!
6:09 AM - 1 Sep 2013

[CCTAU]

I don't like being involved in world conflict.  At all.  But it pisses me off to no end to see men and women having to spray their crying 3 year old children down with water hoses trying to save their lives from nerve agents unleashed by their own damn government.  I don't want to be part of a country that has the power to stop that bullshit but sits on their hands to spare someone's feelings.

Evil kills his own people like this. Evil cannot be allowed to flourish.


There is no way we can just sit and watch. Oppression and armed conflict is one thing, but to spray your own people? Pure evil!

[Kaos]

About 4 years ago, something very similar happened in Syria. Syrian rebels were responsible for the gas attack 4 years ago and it's very likely they were responsible again. It was a "false flag" then and after more information is released, this time around, it's very likely going to be another false flag.

The US didn't bomb them in '13 and probably shouldn't have bombed them this time either.

Here's some tweets from Trump back in '13...

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.
1:14 PM - 29 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
If Obama attacks Syria and innocent civilians are hurt and killed, he and the U.S. will look very bad!
2:26 PM - 30 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
How bad has our "leader" made us look on Syria. Stay out of Syria, we don't have the leadership to win wars or even strategize.
4:28 PM - 30 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
"@mguarino64: @realDonaldTrump " How would you treat the Syria situation if president?" I'd let them all fight with each other-focus on US!
6:09 AM - 1 Sep 2013

Fuck off.

[The Six]

Get ready for gas to cost us $3 a gallon again but fuck the evil in that part of the world. Nuke the motherfucker from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[Snaggletiger]

Seriously Prowler.  Come on, man.  Stop with the Anti-Trump and understand this was just a message that we, and hopefully the world, will not tolerate this shit.  This should not be viewed as a political stunt.  He gassed people.  Killed them in a slow, torturous death.  Children.  We simply sent a message to stop it.  But you have to take this as an opportunity to take the 1,467th shot at Trump?  Please!

[The Prowler]

Evil kills his own people like this. Evil cannot be allowed to flourish.


There is no way we can just sit and watch. Oppression and armed conflict is one thing, but to spray your own people? Pure evil!

More Intel should've been gathered, especially since nearly the same thing happened less than 4 years ago (which turned out to be the Syrian rebels that did the gas bombing then...not Assad's regime).

[The Prowler]

Seriously Prowler.  Come on, man.  Stop with the Anti-Trump and understand this was just a message that we, and hopefully the world, will not tolerate this shit.  This should not be viewed as a political stunt.  He gassed people.  Killed them in a slow, torturous death.  Children.  We simply sent a message to stop it.  But you have to take this as an opportunity to take the 1,467th shot at Trump?  Please!

Posting the hypocrisy that is Trump. Especially when he blamed the Obama admin for this recent attack, for not being tough enough on Assad. Obama told Assad back in '13 to not use gas on his citizens or the US would come after him. Assad didn't after that and it's very likely that he was not part of the attack this time around either.

Trump goes in guns a blazin' not realizing that a retaliation is possible. We saw and continue to see what happens when we poke around and destabilize a Country. We're still in Iraq fighting (15 years later).

[Snaggletiger]

Posting the hypocrisy that is Trump. Especially when he blamed the Obama admin for this recent attack, for not being tough enough on Assad. Obama told Assad back in '13 to not use gas on his citizens or the US would come after him. Assad didn't after that and it's very likely that he was not part of the attack this time around either.

Trump goes in guns a blazin' not realizing that a retaliation is possible. We saw and continue to see what happens when we poke around and destabilize a Country. We're still in Iraq fighting (15 years later).

 

[Token]

About 4 years ago, something very similar happened in Syria. Syrian rebels were responsible for the gas attack 4 years ago and it's very likely they were responsible again. It was a "false flag" then and after more information is released, this time around, it's very likely going to be another false flag.

The US didn't bomb them in '13 and probably shouldn't have bombed them this time either.

Here's some tweets from Trump back in '13...

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.
1:14 PM - 29 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
If Obama attacks Syria and innocent civilians are hurt and killed, he and the U.S. will look very bad!
2:26 PM - 30 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
How bad has our "leader" made us look on Syria. Stay out of Syria, we don't have the leadership to win wars or even strategize.
4:28 PM - 30 Aug 2013

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
"@mguarino64: @realDonaldTrump " How would you treat the Syria situation if president?" I'd let them all fight with each other-focus on US!
6:09 AM - 1 Sep 2013

1. This is why the left will get 8 years of Trump.  Y'all still don't get it and likely never will.
2. People change their opinions all the time.  If you want to bitch about something, it's smart not to point to something you are guilty of yourself. 

[The Prowler]

Also, Trump didn't receive Congressional approval before launching the attack...and he's back at his golf resort 

[CCTAU]

Also, Trump didn't receive Congressional approval before launching the attack...and he's back at his golf resort 

He doesn't need it. Take another civics class!

[RWS]

More Intel should've been gathered, especially since nearly the same thing happened less than 4 years ago (which turned out to be the Syrian rebels that did the gas bombing then...not Assad's regime).

They knew the exact base that the plane that executed the attacks took off from, which happens to be a Syrian government base.  Also, the rebels do not possess fixed wing aircraft.  How much more intel do you want?  4 years ago the White House didn't even believe that the rebels launched those nerve gas attacks.  They don't have the missiles with warheads to launch them, they don't have the launching system to launch them, they don't have the experts to correctly mix the chemicals, etc etc.  Here's a quote from Jay Carney in a press briefing about that attack almost 4 years ago:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2013/08/27/press-briefing-press-secretary-jay-carney-8272013

Let me also say, and I think that both Secretary Kerry and I attempted to make clear yesterday that there is no doubt here that chemical weapons were used on a massive scale on August 21st outside of Damascus.  There is also very little doubt, and should be no doubt for anyone who approaches this logically, that the Syrian regime is responsible for the use of chemical weapons on August 21st outside of Damascus.

We have established with a high degree of confidence that the Syria regime has used chemical weapons already in this conflict.  We have made clear that it is our firm assessment that the Syrian regime has maintained control of the stockpile of chemical weapons in Syria throughout this conflict.  It is also the case that the Syrian regime has the rocket capacity to deliver the chemical weapons as they were delivered with repugnant results on August 21st outside of Damascus.

[RWS]

Posting the hypocrisy that is Trump. Especially when he blamed the Obama admin for this recent attack, for not being tough enough on Assad. Obama told Assad back in '13 to not use gas on his citizens or the US would come after him. Assad didn't after that and it's very likely that he was not part of the attack this time around either.

Trump goes in guns a blazin' not realizing that a retaliation is possible. We saw and continue to see what happens when we poke around and destabilize a Country. We're still in Iraq fighting (15 years later).

Obama established his "red-line" less than a year BEFORE the chemical attack in August 2013.  You can say it was the rebels all you want, but as my previous post states, the White House at the time didn't even believe that it was the rebels because they didn't possess the means to launch an attack in that manner and the intel they had pointed to Assad. 

Last night as I was watching coverage on this, I was in the same camp as others here; I wasn't all that thrilled about us sticking our nose in something that wasn't really our problem.  But then when you see the video of them hosing off nearly lifeless kids that are around the same age as mine.  Fuck that.  Nobody deserves something like that.  It's obvious that Assad will continue to do this shit unless someone checks him on it.  I'm glad that someone finally had the balls to say that we are no longer going to tolerate that. 

Is retaliation by Syria possible?  Sure, I guess.  But they're not going to tug on Superman's cape.  Plus, they don't possess the military needed to project power that would affect us.  You think they're going to fuck with Israel?  They will get wiped off of the face of the planet quicker than we would do it.  Syria isn't going to do shit, and I'm sure that was taken into account when the strike was planned.