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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2017, 09:50:27 PM »
IF she had been "vetted" and cleared, you'd be ok then?

The vetting system is a joke.  That's what I'm saying.  It's a waste of time.  I would prefer that serious background checks be conducted on every single person seeking a position.  It's not.  It's a charade.  They weren't going to allow Sessions.  They did.  They weren't going to allow (fill in the blank).  They did. 

I'm saying EVEN if they vetted her it would have taken longer but she'd still be where she is.

With 1/5 the media shit storm.
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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2017, 09:51:45 PM »
IF she had been "vetted" and cleared, you'd be ok then?

The vetting system is a joke.  That's what I'm saying.  It's a waste of time.  I would prefer that serious background checks be conducted on every single person seeking a position.  It's not.  It's a charade.  They weren't going to allow Sessions.  They did.  They weren't going to allow (fill in the blank).  They did. 

I'm saying EVEN IF they vetted her it would have taken longer but she'd still be where she is.

Yes.  Because in this case her approval would require, at least, congressional approval. 

I'm under no illusion that the current admin is holding fast and tight to the law.  What I want is a paper trail and a case for recourse.
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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2017, 09:52:01 PM »
With 1/5 the media shit storm.

The media does nothing but make shit storms. 

I have zero faith that anything will really change under GOP control.  Politicians are politicians. 
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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2017, 09:53:42 PM »
So...trying not to put words (or big meaty cocks) in your mouth...but...your answer is:

This shit is wrong without proper protocol.

Why is that so hard to say?

What's wrong with big meaty cocks?  There, I said it. 
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2017, 10:18:26 PM »
I'm pretty much with Snags.

It'd be better if she went through the "proper channels", but as with most things regarding the Trump presidency. Slight abnormalities, of which there are plenty, get dialed to 11.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ivanka-trumps-white-house-role-unprecedented/story?id=44282871

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How Ivanka Trump's Possible White House Role Wouldn't Be Unprecedented

Although a Trump adviser says it's a "fair assessment" that his daughter, Ivanka, may play an active role in the administration, she wouldn't be the first child of a president to do so.

Anita McBride, a former chief of staff to First Lady Laura Bush and board member of the White House Historical Association, points to several historical examples of first daughters taking on active roles to help their fathers in the White House.

“A fair number throughout our history have stepped up to help the president,” McBride said in an interview with ABC News.

“It wouldn't be unusual for a first child to step out, but this may be different if she is directly in charge of an initiative,” she added.

Though the Trump transition team has yet to announce what role, if any, Ivanka Trump may play in the future administration, she and her husband Jared Kushner have been house-hunting in Washington. And adviser Kellyanne Conway has said it's a "fair assessment" that she will be an active player.

"Ivanka is incredibly committed to women in the workplace, women in the economy, women entrepreneurs," Conway told reporters last week. "She has had a wonderful platform during the campaign."

President Harry Truman’s daughter, Margaret, prominently stepped in to a first lady-like role, McBride said, because her mother did not enjoy the public spotlight.

“Margaret Daniel stepped in to support President Truman,” McBride said. “Bess Truman didn't really like being here in Washington, she had a very limited public life.”

And with Melania Trump expected to delay her move to the White House so that son Barron can finish the school year in New York, McBride says it’s conceivable that Ivanka Trump may assume aspects of the role of first lady.

President Ronald Reagan’s daughter, Maureen, stands as another example of a first daughter assuming a prominent role during her father’s presidency, even serving as the co-chair of the Republican National Committee. She also lived in the White House.

And when Lyndon Johnson came to the White House, his daughter Lynda, who was a college student at the time, moved back in with her parents.

“Lynda Johnson moved back to the White House, went to school locally, and brought her college roommate and lived together in the White House,” McBride said. “It was at the height of the Vietnam War, it was a tough time.”

McBride says Johnson's daughter took an active role alongside her mother, Lady Bird Johnson, and traveled with her through the South to campaign and promote Johnson's Civil Rights agenda.

Regardless of what role Ivanka Trump ultimately plays in her father's administration if any, McBride expressed optimism that the White House will adapt accordingly.

"The White House always adapts to its new occupants, but also the occupants adapt to the history of the White House, so it's all going to work out just fine," McBride said.

Let alone the fact that she is far and away the most well-adjusted, moderate, sane, intelligent member of that family. She's the least of my worries.
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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2017, 10:41:24 PM »
Presumably she's getting a phone that will allow her to receive state secrets...without any oversight. 

This should bother you.

I'm not terribly surprised that it doesn't.

I don't even know what this means.  She now has unprecedented access to information that is otherwise unavailable.

PRESUMABLY

But go right ahead and soil your diapers.  Add your Trump baaaaaaaaad bleating to the cacophony. 
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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2017, 10:44:02 PM »
Yes.  Because in this case her approval would require, at least, congressional approval. 

I'm under no illusion that the current admin is holding fast and tight to the law.  What I want is a paper trail and a case for recourse.

Jesus CHRIST. 

Would you listen to yourself? 

Where was the Clinton paper trail? Bleached?  Where was the Imam's fucking paper trail? Forged?

Who gives a a fuck that you want vengeance recourse? 
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« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2017, 07:40:23 AM »
Jesus CHRIST. 

Would you listen to yourself? 

Where was the Clinton paper trail? Bleached?  Where was the Imam's fucking paper trail? Forged?

Who gives a a fuck that you want vengeance recourse?

Of all the things that occurred between 92-2000 and 2008-2012 and THIS is what they reach for NOW? Good grief. Sorry Wes but you're being an ideologue here. You didn't give two shits about any kind of presidential integrity or transgressions until this guy took office. Now suddenly you care? Gimme a break dude.
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« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2017, 07:54:41 AM »
Wes - serious question.  Were you cool with Valerie Jarrett's role in the Obama administration? 
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« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2017, 08:09:15 AM »
Wes - serious question.  Were you cool with Valerie Jarrett's role in the Obama administration?

Yes. Her. And many others. Related to Jarrett, how's about  Lyin' Susan Rice and her 5 different tales about Benghazi? The list goes on and on about things under that administration we could point out. Real issues.
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« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2017, 10:00:54 AM »
Wes - serious question.  Were you cool with Valerie Jarrett's role in the Obama administration?

Not germane, since she had an actual job/title, but not really cool with it.

The "well Obama did it, too" argument is the weakest.
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« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2017, 10:07:44 AM »
PRESUMABLY

But go right ahead and soil your diapers.  Add your Trump baaaaaaaaad bleating to the cacophony.

Jamie Gorelick, an attorney and ethics adviser for Ivanka Trump, said Monday that the first daughter will not have an official title, but will get a West Wing office, government-issued communications devices and security clearance to access classified information.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ivanka-trump-west-wing-office-classified-information-access/&ved=0ahUKEwjtuPqCqerSAhXMOCYKHbcYDxsQFghXMBE&usg=AFQjCNFuM4QK-jsxVT2c483A1DChgkCg4g&sig2=4G1FbG9wcG3PuO10OxBEgQ
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« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2017, 11:11:05 AM »
Not germane, since she had an actual job/title, but not really cool with it.

The "well Obama did it, too" argument is the weakest.

That's not my argument.  I never said I agreed with this move by Trump.  And while they're not exactly the same, it was well known that Valerie Jarrett was a close, personal friend of Obama's.  So much so that  she lived in the White House.  Where was the vetting process for her?  I don't recall those hearings.  Or is it not germane simply because Obama gave her a job title?

You say you weren't really cool with it, but I never saw a thread titled "Valerie." 
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« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2017, 11:26:59 AM »
That's not my argument.  I never said I agreed with this move by Trump.  And while they're not exactly the same, it was well known that Valerie Jarrett was a close, personal friend of Obama's.  So much so that  she lived in the White House.  Where was the vetting process for her?  I don't recall those hearings.  Or is it not germane simply because Obama gave her a job title?

You say you weren't really cool with it, but I never saw a thread titled "Valerie."
I think Wes is failing to see that no one here is "totally cool with it" either. Well, maybe the usual ideologues are, but most here aren't.

But also don't see this as the 5-Alarm hysteria the media is trying to make it out to be.
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« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2017, 11:35:22 AM »
Not germane, since she had an actual job/title, but not really cool with it.

The "well Obama did it, too" argument is the weakest.

No one is cool with it. And no one is justifying possibly bad behavior with other bad behavior. I'm just pointing out your selective criticism. Which appears to be based in ideology.
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« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2017, 12:06:40 PM »
I think Wes is failing to see that no one here is "totally cool with it" either. Well, maybe the usual ideologues are, but most here aren't.


That's my audience here.  Trying to shake the cognitive dissonance a bit.

No one is cool with it. And no one is justifying possibly bad behavior with other bad behavior. I'm just pointing out your selective criticism. Which appears to be based in ideology.

I make no bones about hating DT in my White House.

It's not ideology, per se, except to the extent anyone identifies with DT's willful ignorance as an ideology.
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« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2017, 12:06:43 PM »
No one is cool with it. And no one is justifying possibly bad behavior with other bad behavior. I'm just pointing out your selective criticism. Which appears to be based in ideology.
To be fair to Wes, the media didn't make anywhere near as big a deal over Jarrett because they are guilty of selective criticism. And that's a problem.
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« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2017, 12:08:07 PM »
To be fair to Wes, the media didn't make anywhere near as big a deal over Jarrett because they are guilty of selective criticism. And that's a problem.

I'm sure every president has a similar story.

It's not so much the violation of federal nepotism laws that irk me as much as the total tone deafness of this administration.
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« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2017, 12:15:31 PM »
I'm sure every president has a similar story.

It's not so much the violation of federal nepotism laws that irk me as much as the total tone deafness of this administration.

Ehh?  What did you say? 
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« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2017, 12:19:29 PM »
Ehh?  What did you say?

Turn up the miracle ear, old timer!
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