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« Reply #180 on: March 11, 2017, 08:09:09 AM »
Point of odor:  You didn't have to.  It was indelibly etched into your post.   You suffer from white privilege syndrome.  You feel guilty because you have more than others.  It's a disease. 

No, I don't.  But thanks for telling me how I feel.  This sort of labeling makes these discussions easier for you.  You can simply slap a label on someone and be dismissive.  People are generally more nuanced than that. 
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« Reply #181 on: March 11, 2017, 08:29:56 AM »
My business:

I represent 17 different manufacturers of disposable foodservice products.  I take what they make, mark it up for profit ( As high as the market will allow), and sell it to restaurants and distributors throughout the USA. 

While the manufacturers may be regulated by the EPA etc, I am not.  I am simply an evil profit monger

Capitalism in it's purest form

Off the top of my head, you're still subject to/impacted by the following regulations:
SBA competition
business license requirements
antitrust laws
FTC advertising/marketing regulations
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« Reply #182 on: March 11, 2017, 08:53:18 AM »
No, I don't.  But thanks for telling me how I feel.  This sort of labeling makes these discussions easier for you.  You can simply slap a label on someone and be dismissive.  People are generally more nuanced than that.

This coming from you?  Rich.
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« Reply #183 on: March 11, 2017, 03:41:57 PM »
Almost accurate for me. I find myself moving more Left and more Libertarian (strange combo) as I'm getting older and not wealthy.

This is an interesting comment to me.  Why would not being wealthy move you in any way?  Why is wealthy a reason to every change core values?  Why is wealth that important?

I'm not wealthy and figured out years ago that I'm either not capable of being wealthy or not willing to make the sacrifices it takes.  But I did figure out how to live inside my means AND enjoy life at the same time.  Not pointing specifically at you here THS but I do think this is the problem with our current society and it bleeds over into every social and political aspect.  I'm not going to own a business, be in the top 1% or even be able to do everything I'd like to do before I die.  That's ok.  What I do own is mine and I've either already paid for it or am currently paying for it.

I wish we as a society could focus more on obtaining a higher quality WITHOUT having to be wealthy.
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« Reply #184 on: March 11, 2017, 05:15:57 PM »
Yeah, but damn I'd like to give wealthy a try.  If I don't like it, I swear I'll give it all back.
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« Reply #185 on: March 11, 2017, 09:36:00 PM »
Yeah, but damn I'd like to give wealthy a try.  If I don't like it, I swear I'll give it all back.

What would you do if you had a million dollars?
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« Reply #186 on: March 11, 2017, 09:42:30 PM »
What would you do if you had a million dollars?

Tell you what I'd do.  Two chicks at the same time, man.
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« Reply #187 on: March 13, 2017, 10:40:27 AM »
What would you do if you had a million dollars?

But to be honest I'd add it to the other 20 million I already have of course.
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« Reply #188 on: March 13, 2017, 10:42:36 AM »
But to be honest I'd add it to the other 20 million I already have of course.

Admit it, you have a big safe full of money that you jump in like Scrooge McDuck, don't you?
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Re: Health Care
« Reply #189 on: March 13, 2017, 10:46:34 AM »
Admit it, you have a big safe full of money that you jump in like Scrooge McDuck, don't you?
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« Reply #190 on: March 13, 2017, 11:07:28 AM »
This is an interesting comment to me.  Why would not being wealthy move you in any way?  Why is wealthy a reason to every change core values?  Why is wealth that important?

I'm not wealthy and figured out years ago that I'm either not capable of being wealthy or not willing to make the sacrifices it takes.  But I did figure out how to live inside my means AND enjoy life at the same time.  Not pointing specifically at you here THS but I do think this is the problem with our current society and it bleeds over into every social and political aspect.  I'm not going to own a business, be in the top 1% or even be able to do everything I'd like to do before I die.  That's ok.  What I do own is mine and I've either already paid for it or am currently paying for it.

I wish we as a society could focus more on obtaining a higher quality WITHOUT having to be wealthy.

This is a really interesting point. 

You want to see an ardent Republican?  Take somebody from a poor background and let them get rich, particularly if they make it on their own. 

It's easy to talk about redistributing the wealth when it's not your wealth that's being redistributed.  When you have money all of a sudden it's easy to see the inherent unfairness in taking away what you worked and slaved and sacrificed to earn to give it to someone who had the same opportunity and by bad luck or poor choices didn't achieve what you did. 

The entire concept of "leveling the field" is socialist at its core.  It's Animal Farm and it will never, ever, ever, ever work.  What does work and has been proven time after time is seeing someone make their way out as an example. 

The problems we have now?  We've developed a culture of expectation.  Even within the last generation.  When I turned 16 I hoped I'd have a car to drive when my parents weren't using it.  That was less than optimal. I wanted my own car so I got a job, got a loan (with dad's help) and bought my own. Used 65 Mustang that took some work to get to where I wanted it to be.  My kids?  They started looking when they were 15 to see what kind of car they might want to be given.  And I gave them cars.  All of their friends were given cars, many of them new.  One of my best friends got a second job so he could pay for his son's car.  At no point did it cross his mind to make his son work to pay for it -- even though he, like me, had gotten a job at 16 in order to be able to have his own car. 

It's no longer enough for so many to have opportunity.  They want immediate results.  Nice apartment, nice car, new furniture... right out of the gate. 

When I tried college the first time, I lived in a filthy rathole because it was all I could afford.  My kids?  Swank gated apartment complex with two pools, a rec room, a gym, a spa, volleyball courts, grilling areas...

The idea of sacrifice and saving has been rendered moot.  Doing without is for the other suckers.  And if that means Prowler thinks I should give up 40% of the money I WORK for?  Well, that's just too bad for me.  It doesn't matter that for the first three or four years after I started my business I worked 18-20 hours a day, maxed out all my credit cards to keep things going, missed time with my girls, and couldn't always get them the things we needed because I was sacrificing those things in order to build the business.  He doesn't care that there was a point about three years in where the economy struggled, some of the states with which we had contracts froze their spending and I was literally two or three weeks at most from not being able to make it through.  That doesn't matter.  Some people don't make as much as I do, so I should give up the money I earned so we can all be closer to even. 

I say FUCK that.  I've contributed to it.  I've raised kids who haven't learned the hard lessons of survival. I'm ashamed of that.  But at least I've raised them to try to solve their own problems and not look to government to do it. 

Unfortunately we've devolved as a society.  When I was a kid and I saw people who lived in big houses and had nice things I thought to myself "what do I have to do so I can have those things too?"   Today, the Prowlers of the world look at people who have more and think "what can I do to take away from them so we all have the same things..."  It's a diseased mindset. Penalizing people who achieve more is backward thinking.   

I agree with Token.  Far too many people these days are obsessed with and jealous of what others have when they should instead be grateful for their own lives.  "The poor" in this country would be considered fat and wealthy in 90% of the rest of the world. 
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Re: Health Care
« Reply #191 on: March 13, 2017, 01:23:04 PM »
This is a really interesting point. 

You want to see an ardent Republican?  Take somebody from a poor background and let them get rich, particularly if they make it on their own. 

It's easy to talk about redistributing the wealth when it's not your wealth that's being redistributed.  When you have money all of a sudden it's easy to see the inherent unfairness in taking away what you worked and slaved and sacrificed to earn to give it to someone who had the same opportunity and by bad luck or poor choices didn't achieve what you did. 

The entire concept of "leveling the field" is socialist at its core.  It's Animal Farm and it will never, ever, ever, ever work.  What does work and has been proven time after time is seeing someone make their way out as an example. 

The problems we have now?  We've developed a culture of expectation.  Even within the last generation.  When I turned 16 I hoped I'd have a car to drive when my parents weren't using it.  That was less than optimal. I wanted my own car so I got a job, got a loan (with dad's help) and bought my own. Used 65 Mustang that took some work to get to where I wanted it to be.  My kids?  They started looking when they were 15 to see what kind of car they might want to be given.  And I gave them cars.  All of their friends were given cars, many of them new.  One of my best friends got a second job so he could pay for his son's car.  At no point did it cross his mind to make his son work to pay for it -- even though he, like me, had gotten a job at 16 in order to be able to have his own car. 

It's no longer enough for so many to have opportunity.  They want immediate results.  Nice apartment, nice car, new furniture... right out of the gate. 

When I tried college the first time, I lived in a filthy rathole because it was all I could afford.  My kids?  Swank gated apartment complex with two pools, a rec room, a gym, a spa, volleyball courts, grilling areas...

The idea of sacrifice and saving has been rendered moot.  Doing without is for the other suckers.  And if that means Prowler thinks I should give up 40% of the money I WORK for?  Well, that's just too bad for me.  It doesn't matter that for the first three or four years after I started my business I worked 18-20 hours a day, maxed out all my credit cards to keep things going, missed time with my girls, and couldn't always get them the things we needed because I was sacrificing those things in order to build the business.  He doesn't care that there was a point about three years in where the economy struggled, some of the states with which we had contracts froze their spending and I was literally two or three weeks at most from not being able to make it through.  That doesn't matter.  Some people don't make as much as I do, so I should give up the money I earned so we can all be closer to even. 

I say FUCK that.  I've contributed to it.  I've raised kids who haven't learned the hard lessons of survival. I'm ashamed of that.  But at least I've raised them to try to solve their own problems and not look to government to do it. 

Unfortunately we've devolved as a society.  When I was a kid and I saw people who lived in big houses and had nice things I thought to myself "what do I have to do so I can have those things too?"   Today, the Prowlers of the world look at people who have more and think "what can I do to take away from them so we all have the same things..."  It's a diseased mindset. Penalizing people who achieve more is backward thinking.   

I agree with Token.  Far too many people these days are obsessed with and jealous of what others have when they should instead be grateful for their own lives.  "The poor" in this country would be considered fat and wealthy in 90% of the rest of the world.

This. All of it.

When I was young I used to actually idolize people like trump and steve jobs and others who were notoriously successful and not ashamed of it. Instead of ever being jealous I wanted to be like them. Yeah sure you are going to have some snot nosed brat types that get everything handed to them. I saw them in college. Most had new cars, nice clothes, lived in the nice big frat house over off Magnolia, etc etc. I worked my way through. Had a shitty efficiency apt. A piece of shit car. The definition of eeking through.  And the haves? Fuk them. Just keep grinding. Don't like being a have not? Go become a have. Is it gonna be hard? Damn fuckin right it is. How bad do you want it.

My dad was a mill laborer when I was born. My mother couldn't even find permanent work. And houses were unattainable unless you were rich because of the double digit interest rates combined with stagflation. Those were all the side effects of the years that were the carter administration. I lived my first years in them. It was rough for my parents. I'm sorry but there are no excuses. Most people that have nice things and nice lives now didn't always have it. They earned it.

I know you are also no exception K. You've busted your ass for decades. And for someone to demand it for themselves because they dont have it is truly deplorable. Especially when it's being espoused by people like Bernie.
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Re: Health Care
« Reply #192 on: March 13, 2017, 03:05:13 PM »
K you shouldn't be ashamed for taking care of your kids.  It doesn't mean they will grow up to be useless or me first adults.  I think it is more important to be a figure/leader for your kids. To follow through and set expectations of them, especially as adults. 

Case in point is myself.  I was given everything growing up.  I was given my first vehicle (not new) but still, My college education was paid for, including living off campus and everything it entails.  But I respected (still do) my parents and I tried never to take advantage of them. 

I also knew my parents would follow through on the expectations they set for me and the outcomes could be good or bad depending on if those expectations were met.  My parent's weren't bad enablers. They enabled me to get to where I am, but they never rewarded bad behaviors.   Which seems to happen more in this world.

I look at a friend of ours who has a 24 year old son who is still living at home and "wandering" through college. I joked with him (the 24 yr old) if he is ever going to graduate, and that his sister who is 20 is going to graduate before him.  He doesn't care and has no interest because he is living the life.  His bedroom at his parents has it's own entry and exit and it has a bathroom.  His mom still cooks and does the laundry and he has no expenses and they don't care.  They enable him to be the way he is. 

<side bar>When I changed my major my Senior year of college my Mom freaked the fuck out.  My Dad calmly said you can choose to do whatever you want son, however I am paying for school up until August of next year (that was 4 quarters) after that it is on you.   I busted my ass and still graduated in May leaving myself some room because I wasn't going to pay for school myself.  </side bar> I don't think the 24 yr old would care if his parents told him that, I don't know that they would follow through.  Because they won't let him fail.   

I knew my Dad absolutely would cut my ass off and for sure as hell would throw my ass out too. 
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Re: Health Care
« Reply #193 on: March 13, 2017, 03:28:09 PM »
Well said, GF.
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« Reply #194 on: March 13, 2017, 03:38:37 PM »
I started at Auburn, but I was not a student at that time, too young and immature. My parents put away money for me to go, but I would have wasted it trying to continue. I dropped out and joined the military.

 They sent me post card from Mexico while I was In basic training thanking me for the trip.

I was sad.  :sad:
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« Reply #195 on: March 13, 2017, 03:48:01 PM »
I started at Auburn, but I was not a student at that time, too young and immature. My parents put away money for me to go, but I would have wasted it trying to continue. I dropped out and joined the military.

 They sent me post card from Mexico while I was In basic training thanking me for the trip.

I was sad.  :sad:

 :huh:

so you mopped floors and solved mathematical equations in the hallway?
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« Reply #196 on: March 13, 2017, 03:58:06 PM »
CBO report is out.  Ugly.
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« Reply #197 on: March 13, 2017, 04:08:45 PM »
CBO report is out.  Ugly.

And we both know that to see what the real cost will be, add 30-40% onto the cost and the number of people that will lose insurance.
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« Reply #198 on: March 13, 2017, 04:09:57 PM »
:huh:

so you mopped floors and solved mathematical equations in the hallway?

He was about to move up to the fries too.  That's when the big bucks start rolling in.
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« Reply #199 on: March 13, 2017, 04:21:08 PM »
He was about to move up to the fries too.  That's when the big bucks start rolling in.

No way in hell is he assistant manager material.
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