What if the Russians?

[wesfau2]

You are ok with hidden corruption?

Fuck's sake.

Not even remotely what I'm saying.

[GH2001]

Fuck's sake.

Not even remotely what I'm saying.

And what I'm saying is most of these people (politicians and media folks) are bitching because they got caught. That's the crux of ALL of this. They got beat at their own game. The product we're seeing - whether it's a recount, or assange, or Putin - is all the reaction of some maniacal spoiled brats who didn't get their way. And to that there is nothing illegal about it or show stopping. But the narrative is being driven that direction.

Alls I'm sayin counselor. If I misinterpreted your response my apologies.

[The Six]

Anybody seen that Snowden flick? I wondered how Robin did as Snowman. I know Divergent chick is naked in it. Haven't heard much else.

[CCTAU]

And what I'm saying is most of these people (politicians and media folks) are bitching because they got caught. That's the crux of ALL of this. They got beat at their own game. The product we're seeing - whether it's a recount, or assange, or Putin - is all the reaction of some maniacal spoiled brats who didn't get their way. And to that there is nothing illegal about it or show stopping. But the narrative is being driven that direction.

Alls I'm sayin counselor. If I misinterpreted your response my apologies.

What game? The dims are so trustworthy!

“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/voter-fraud-michigan-recount-uncovers-many-votes-37-detroit-precincts/

[bottomfeeder]

What if the Department of Homeland Security tried to hack voter machines in Georgia?

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/12/no_author/attempted-hack-us-voter-database/

Attempted Hack of US Voter Database Traced to IP Address Used by US Government
An attempted hack of a voter database in Georgia was traced to an IP address used by the Department of Homeland Security. We blame Russia, of course.

What if, like the Romans, our own fucking government causes ALL of the problems and blames others?

WTF?

the CIA has concluded that “Russian operatives covertly interfered in the election campaign in an attempt to ensure the Republican candidate’s victory.”

If the CIA is actually stupid enough to believe this, the US is without a competent intelligence agency. Of course, the CIA didn’t say and doesn’t believe any such thing. The fake news stories in the presstitute media are all sourced to unnamed officials. Former British ambassador Craig Murray described the reports accurately: “bullshit.”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/12/paul-craig-roberts/youre-peace/

What if our own government wants endless global conflict and expects us to pay for it ALL?

Peter Schiff, president of Euro-Pacific Capital, has written several books on the state of the financial system. His focus is on the long-term consequences of years of government and central bank manipulation of fiat currencies:

“Never in the course of history has a country’s economy failed because its currency was too strong…The view that a weak currency is desirable is so absurd that it could only have been devised to serve the political agenda of those engineering the descent. And while I don’t blame policy makers from spinning self-serving fairy tales (that is their nature), I find extreme fault with those hypnotized members of the media and the financial establishment who have checked their reason at the door. A currency war is different from any other kind of conventional war in that the object is to kill oneself. The nation that succeeds in inflicting the most damage on its own citizens wins the war. ” [emphasis added]

Sacrificing the stability of national currencies has been used as a way prop up failing private institutions around the globe. By kicking the can down the road yet another time, bureaucrats and bankers sealed the fate of the financial system as we know it.

A currency war has been declared, ensuring that the U.S. dollar, Euro, Yen and many other state currencies are linked in a suicide pact. Printing money and endlessly expanding debt are policies that will erode the underlying value of every dollar in people’s wallets, as well as digital funds in their bank accounts. This new war operates in the shadows of the public’s ignorance, slowly undermining social and economic stability through inflation and other consequences of central control. As the Federal Reserve leads the rest of the world’s central banks down the rabbit hole, the vortex it’s creating will affect everyone in the globalized economy.

[wesfau2]

And what I'm saying is most of these people (politicians and media folks) are bitching because they got caught. That's the crux of ALL of this. They got beat at their own game. The product we're seeing - whether it's a recount, or assange, or Putin - is all the reaction of some maniacal spoiled brats who didn't get their way. And to that there is nothing illegal about it or show stopping. But the narrative is being driven that direction.

Alls I'm sayin counselor. If I misinterpreted your response my apologies.

McCain and Schumer were on a news panel Monday morning discussing the Russians hacking into BOTH RNC and DNC networks.

I'm not saying the shit that was spread/released vis a vis Clinton (the "emails") was false.

I'm not saying I endorse/condone any of the shit uncovered in the "emails."

I'm not whining/crying that "my side" (spit) lost.

I'm saying that it is exceedingly odd that a foreign power with dirt on BOTH parties chose to disseminate information damaging only one of the two candidates. 

I'm saying that the intertwining of Trump's business interests with the Russians combined with their peek into the politics that put him in power should be troubling to everyone.

I'm saying that Putin/Kremlin has Trump in a compromised position and this should be troubling to everyone.

Now, if some of you guys are done shadow-boxing my point, pummeling arguments that I never made and generally being the reactionaries that we've all come to know and...well, know...then we can dial back the assumptions and chat about it.

[Kaos]

McCain and Schumer were on a news panel Monday morning discussing the Russians hacking into BOTH RNC and DNC networks.

I'm not saying the shit that was spread/released vis a vis Clinton (the "emails") was false.

I'm not saying I endorse/condone any of the shit uncovered in the "emails."

I'm not whining/crying that "my side" (spit) lost.

I'm saying that it is exceedingly odd that a foreign power with dirt on BOTH parties chose to disseminate information damaging only one of the two candidates. 

I'm saying that the intertwining of Trump's business interests with the Russians combined with their peek into the politics that put him in power should be troubling to everyone.

I'm saying that Putin/Kremlin has Trump in a compromised position and this should be troubling to everyone.

Now, if some of you guys are done shadow-boxing my point, pummeling arguments that I never made and generally being the reactionaries that we've all come to know and...well, know...then we can dial back the assumptions and chat about it.

I'm saying you're wrong. 

There's nothing to talk about, Keith Behar. 

[wesfau2]

I'm saying you're wrong. 

There's nothing to talk about, Keith Behar.

O.
K.

[WiregrassTiger]

I'm concerned about the hacking and the potential of blackmail with any and all politicians. I am glad that the Dem emails were discovered, I just hate it took Russian hackers. And didn't wiki say info did not come from Russian hackers?

Regardless, this and similar cyber crime is a major threat to our security. Probably more likely than a North Korea nuke attack but could be as devastating.

This should be a bipartisan concern and not just something to make baseless accusations about Trump stealing the election.

[Kaos]

I'm concerned about the hacking and the potential of blackmail with any and all politicians. I am glad that the Dem emails were discovered, I just hate it took Russian hackers. And didn't wiki say info did not come from Russian hackers?

Regardless, this and similar cyber crime is a major threat to our security. Probably more likely than a North Korea nuke attack but could be as devastating.

This should be a bipartisan concern and not just something to make baseless accusations about Trump stealing the election.

The "Russian hacker" line is Clinton camp bullshit reinforced by a politicized Obama-led federal government.

The mission is to delegitimize Trump. 

And you are swallowing the bait.

[WiregrassTiger]

The "Russian hacker" line is Clinton camp bullshit reinforced by a politicized Obama-led federal government.

The mission is to delegitimize Trump. 

And you are swallowing the bait.

Whether this instance proves to be Russian hacking is immaterial to me. It may have influenced the election. It may not have. Regardless, the story wasn't fiction with Hillary's unsecured server and influence with party politics.

The hacking is still rampant and we're not prepared.

[Kaos]

Whether this instance proves to be Russian hacking is immaterial to me. It may have influenced the election. It may not have. Regardless, the story wasn't fiction with Hillary's unsecured server and influence with party politics.

The hacking is still rampant and we're not prepared.

Agree that data security is a myth. 

But "the Russians done stolt this hear elecSHUN" is unabashed nonsense. 

[The Prowler]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-officials-putin-personally-involved-in-us-election-hack/ar-AAlzZQI?ocid=sf

If proven true, and it's sounding like it is, this is a problem...a big fucking problem. Yes, there is corruption in the DNC and it was somewhat brought to light. But to sit there and think that there isn't corruption in the RNC is just plain ignorant and, in this case, dangerous. If the tables were turned and Putin had a vendetta against Trump and government agencies stated that Putin had involvement in tampering with our Presidential election in favor of Clinton...everyone that's trying to whitewash it, right now, would all be clamoring for blood. Therefore, it is wrong on many levels.

[CCTAU]

LOL. Trump wasn't exactly RNC!


And any dirt on Trump was released...

[The Prowler]

Is this one of those fake news sites?

http://www.salon.com/2016/12/13/report-donald-trumps-campaign-is-threatening-political-reprisal-for-defecting-republican-electors/

If true, is that against the law?

[Kaos]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-officials-putin-personally-involved-in-us-election-hack/ar-AAlzZQI?ocid=sf

If proven true, and it's sounding like it is, this is a problem...a big fucking problem. Yes, there is corruption in the DNC and it was somewhat brought to light. But to sit there and think that there isn't corruption in the RNC is just plain ignorant and, in this case, dangerous. If the tables were turned and Putin had a vendetta against Trump and government agencies stated that Putin had involvement in tampering with our Presidential election in favor of Clinton...everyone that's trying to whitewash it, right now, would all be clamoring for blood. Therefore, it is wrong on many levels.

That is the bullshit. 

No "tampering." 

[Kaos]

Is this one of those fake news sites?

http://www.salon.com/2016/12/13/report-donald-trumps-campaign-is-threatening-political-reprisal-for-defecting-republican-electors/

If true, is that against the law?

Yes.  No. 

[Saniflush]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-officials-putin-personally-involved-in-us-election-hack/ar-AAlzZQI?ocid=sf

If proven true, and it's sounding like it is, this is a problem...a big fucking problem. Yes, there is corruption in the DNC and it was somewhat brought to light. But to sit there and think that there isn't corruption in the RNC is just plain ignorant and, in this case, dangerous. If the tables were turned and Putin had a vendetta against Trump and government agencies stated that Putin had involvement in tampering with our Presidential election in favor of Clinton...everyone that's trying to whitewash it, right now, would all be clamoring for blood. Therefore, it is wrong on many levels.

I think I am gonna need your definition of "tampering" in this instance, cause if we are saying that tampering constitutes favoring one side over the other then the first ones to the hangman's noose should be our own media. 

[Pell City Tiger]

I think I am gonna need your definition of "tampering" in this instance, cause if we are saying that tampering constitutes favoring one side over the other then the first ones to the hangman's noose should be our own media.

It's amazing how these morons were singing the praises of our secure electoral process when it appeared the bitch was running away with the election. The nefarious Russians got drug into it only after Trump beat her ass.

I love this shit. These ignorant assholes couldn't do more to guarantee another ass whipping in the next election than what they're doing right now.

[The Prowler]

It's amazing how these morons were singing the praises of our secure electoral process when it appeared the bitch was running away with the election. The nefarious Russians got drug into it only after Trump beat her ass.

I love this shit. These ignorant assholes couldn't do more to guarantee another ass whipping in the next election than what they're doing right now.

Putin and Russia's involvement was brought up a few times before election day.