Here's the Republican front runner...

[CCTAU]

just to keep this thread straight, TRUMP is not the frontrunner any longer.

TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT (GOP nominee)!

[Kaos]

just to keep this thread straight, TRUMP is not the frontrunner any longer.

TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT (GOP nominee)!

Can't spell triumph without t.

[AUChizad]

Hitler comparisons are way off base...

From the one consistently pro-Trump news source:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/15/bill-kristol-republican-spoiler-renegade-jew/

Bill Kristol: Republican Spoiler, Renegade Jew

[WiregrassTiger]

Hitler comparisons are way off base...

From the one consistently pro-Trump news source:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/15/bill-kristol-republican-spoiler-renegade-jew/

This might have some sway with me, IF I trusted Kristol any more than I do Trump. But, I don't. He's an operative and a pretender.

[Kaos]

Hitler comparisons are way off base...

From the one consistently pro-Trump news source:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/15/bill-kristol-republican-spoiler-renegade-jew/

Because an snobby member of the ruling elite is trying to figure out a way to deny Trump regardless the political cost you've finally swayed me, Chizad. 

Oh puuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhLEEEEASE.  This guy and people like him just make me more determined to vote for Trump. 

[AUChizad]

Because an snobby member of the ruling elite is trying to figure out a way to deny Trump regardless the political cost you've finally swayed me, Chizad. 

Oh puuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhLEEEEASE.  This guy and people like him just make me more determined to vote for Trump.

Also, he's a filthy kike, amirite?

[Kaos]

Also, he's a filthy kike, amirite?

I don't care what he does in the fields when it's windy. 

If you can't see that this guy is worse than Trump and the very reason Trump is going to win?  Can't help you there. 

[GH2001]

Also, he's a filthy kike, amirite?

Ehhh Kristol is the epitome of the establishment. Anyone else saying it may be credible. His dad Irvin and George Romney practically invented the RINO establishment with Nelson Rockefeller. Just don't expect too many to go along with Bill on this one.

[AUChizad]

Ehhh Kristol is the epitome of the establishment. Anyone else saying it may be credible. His dad Irvin and George Romney practically invented the RINO establishment with Nelson Rockefeller. Just don't expect too many to go along with Bill on this one.

First of all, in a conservative principles pissing match, Kristol laps Trump 1,000 times.

Secondly, this is all entirely beside the point. No one here has a problem with Breitbart calling him a "Renegade Jew" to rile up the neo-Nazi Trump base? Shocking.

[Kaos]

First of all, in a conservative principles pissing match, Kristol laps Trump 1,000 times.

Secondly, this is all entirely beside the point. No one here has a problem with Breitbart calling him a "Renegade Jew" to rile up the neo-Nazi Trump base? Shocking.

Didn't notice.  Didn't much care.  Tired of the protected classes.

Extends to islamos, the mexicanos, the blacks, the lesbo/homo/dunnos, the jews, and what all else. 

I read the article and it offended me that a small group of elites wishes to substitute their will for the will of the people. 

I bought a Trump hat immediately after reading that. 

[GH2001]

First of all, in a conservative principles pissing match, Kristol laps Trump 1,000 times.

Secondly, this is all entirely beside the point. No one here has a problem with Breitbart calling him a "Renegade Jew" to rile up the neo-Nazi Trump base? Shocking.

It's the point about someone who has been THE problem lecturing people about them being a problem. There is nothing conservative about Bill Kristol and his ilk. At. All. He and his dad have been the patriarchs of the ruling GOP class the last 50 years. They essentially ARE the problem. And indirectly they are why Trump happened. He should look in the mirror if he's upset about any kind of insurgent candidate he doesn't like. That's all I'm saying. The Kristols and Romneys of the GOP are the reason the Trumps of the GOP happen. So he has no slack to do any whining at this point.

[WiregrassTiger]

Shocking.

What would be even more shocking is if you were to hook up some jumper cables and stick both of the other ends up into your pussy.

[AUChizad]

It's the point about someone who has been THE problem lecturing people about them being a problem. There is nothing conservative about Bill Kristol and his ilk. At. All. He and his dad have been the patriarchs of the ruling GOP class the last 50 years. They essentially ARE the problem. And indirectly they are why Trump happened. He should look in the mirror if he's upset about any kind of insurgent candidate he doesn't like. That's all I'm saying. The Kristols and Romneys of the GOP are the reason the Trumps of the GOP happen. So he has no slack to do any whining at this point.

Renegade. Jew. In the headline. That was my point.

But to engage your strawman, your argument is devoid of logic and sense. What is so despicably un-conservative about Kristol? Name one thing. He and Romneys have been solidly and consistently part of the Republican party. And that's bad now? That's the argument from the people telling me "Vote for the GOP candidate no matter what clown they run for president"? I seriously fail to see the logic.

Trump is a powerful drug.

[Saniflush]

Renegade. Jew. In the headline. That was my point.

But to engage your strawman, your argument is devoid of logic and sense. What is so despicably un-conservative about Kristol? Name one thing. He and Romneys have been solidly and consistently part of the Republican party. And that's bad now? That's the argument from the people telling me "Vote for the GOP candidate no matter what clown they run for president"? I seriously fail to see the logic.

Trump is a powerful drug.

The way I read it was GH was just saying that Kristol along with the vast majority of the GOP have themselves to blame for this thing named trump.  Personally I agree that they have caused what is happening now by having shitty candidates and aligning themselves with just this side of whackos from the extreme right.

[GH2001]

The way I read it was GH was just saying that Kristol along with the vast majority of the GOP have themselves to blame for this thing named trump.  Personally I agree that they have caused what is happening now by having shitty candidates and aligning themselves with just this side of whackos from the extreme right.

You complete me.

There is no straw man here. I've been following this stuff a long long time. And Kristol has been in this stuff almost since birth. He is no new figure. The establishment is a huge issue in both parties. And they are almost completely to blame for both Bernie and Trump being as big as they are. People are absolutely fed up with the bullshit ruling elite on both sides. They are sick of this establishment taking advantage of their vote with nothing really ever changing. They have seen through the fact that the establishment knows how to say certain buzzwords in an election and get their vote.

The only thing that results from every president aside from Kennedy (his personal issues aside) and Reagan, is the same bullshit promises and the same end result of the country getting sold down the toilet. If Bill Kristol really wanted to blame someone he should look squarely at himself, Karl Rove, The Bushes, The Romneys and other establishment goons that have done jack shit for the people whose vote they have taken advantage of and taken for granted for the past 40 or so years.

Again this is not an endorsement or condemnation of Trump or Bernie. Just an observation of what has happened.

[WiregrassTiger]

You complete me.

There is no straw man here. I've been following this stuff a long long time. And Kristol has been in this stuff almost since birth. He is no new figure. The establishment is a huge issue in both parties. And they are almost completely to blame for both Bernie and Trump being as big as they are. People are absolutely fed up with the bullshit ruling elite on both sides. They are sick of this establishment taking advantage of their vote with nothing really ever changing. They have seen through the fact that the establishment knows how to say certain buzzwords in an election and get their vote.

The only thing that results from every president aside from Kennedy (his personal issues aside) and Reagan, is the same bullshit promises and the same end result of the country getting sold down the toilet. If Bill Kristol really wanted to blame someone he should look squarely at himself, Karl Rove, The Bushes, The Romneys and other establishment goons that have done jack shit for the people whose vote they have taken advantage of and taken for granted for the past 40 or so years.

Again this is not an endorsement or condemnation of Trump or Bernie. Just an observation of what has happened.

^^^Knows his neocon history. And Bill's daddy was known as the father of the movement.

Now, I can't say that I disagree with everything Kristol stands for but this is what gets us a Trump. Who put us into Iraq? The neocons. Argue about whether it was right or wrong all you want but that's a fact, Jack. They got us there to fight Israel's war.

My problem with the neocon movement is that they want to pick and choose the ideas and philosophies that they want off of the left side of politics and bring those with them to the right. The movement has one underlying central idea and theme and that is to protect Israel. It has little to do with conservativism in the U.S. That's just a means to an end. And it was really smart.

[AUChizad]

You complete me.

There is no straw man here. I've been following this stuff a long long time. And Kristol has been in this stuff almost since birth. He is no new figure.

It's a strawman argument because it's not what I was (originally, at least) arguing, and yet you've volleyed it up as if it was and attacked that, in order to take the focus off of my original point, which is that Trump's propaganda arm Breitbart News is riling up Trump's neo-Nazi base by scare headlines of "renegade Jews" undermining his campaign. Anyway...now that you've drug me into this entirely other argument...

The establishment is a huge issue in both parties. And they are almost completely to blame for both Bernie and Trump being as big as they are. People are absolutely fed up with the bullshit ruling elite on both sides. They are sick of this establishment taking advantage of their vote with nothing really ever changing.

The only thing that results from every president aside from Kennedy (his personal issues aside) and Reagan, is the same bullshit promises and the same end result of the country getting sold down the toilet. If Bill Kristol really wanted to blame someone he should look squarely at himself, Karl Rove, The Bushes, The Romneys and other establishment goons that have done jack shit for the people whose vote they have taken advantage of and taken for granted for the past 40 or so years.

Again, what specifically have they done that is so despicable? I don't operate in Trumpian vagaries about the boogeyman "establishment".

How did the Bushes and the Romneys and Karl Rove betray their base specifically? By NOT catering to neo-Nazis? Or by standing for the litany of conservative principles, list ad-nauseum in this thread, that Trump decidedly DOES NOT support, or in the very least only momentarily pretends to support while running for the GOP nomination?

[AUChizad]

^^^Knows his neocon history. And Bill's daddy was known as the father of the movement.

Now, I can't say that I disagree with everything Kristol stands for but this is what gets us a Trump. Who put us into Iraq? The neocons. Argue about whether it was right or wrong all you want but that's a fact, Jack. They got us there to fight Israel's war.

My problem with the neocon movement is that they want to pick and choose the ideas and philosophies that they want off of the left side of politics and bring those with them to the right. The movement has one underlying central idea and theme and that is to protect Israel. It has little to do with conservativism in the U.S. That's just a means to an end. And it was really smart.

Yes, and "bomb the shit out of Iraq", "kill their families", and "do much worse than waterboarding" is a complete 180 from those warmongering neocons...

[GH2001]

It's a strawman argument because it's not what I was (originally, at least) arguing, and yet you've volleyed it up as if it was and attacked that, in order to take the focus off of my original point, which is that Trump's propaganda arm Breitbart News is riling up Trump's neo-Nazi base by scare headlines of "renegade Jews" undermining his campaign. Anyway...now that you've drug me into this entirely other argument...
Again, what specifically have they done that is so despicable? I don't operate in Trumpian vagaries about the boogeyman "establishment".

How did the Bushes and the Romneys and Karl Rove betray their base specifically? By NOT catering to neo-Nazis? Or by standing for the litany of conservative principles, list ad-nauseum in this thread, that Trump decidedly DOES NOT support, or in the very least only momentarily pretends to support while running for the GOP nomination?

1st part. Bill Kristol is a big part of that article. That's why. And a big part of this overall problem.

2nd part. Because the neocons, establishment, ruling elites, whatever you want to call them - have been at the core of most of the worst policy decisions the last half century. They are wolves in sheep clothing. The left has them too. They know how to microtarget voters and use demographics. They simply want votes. They want power. They'll talk about guns and momma and Jesus and anything else they need to in order to get that vote. The ones on the right are just as big govt as the ones on the left. They believe in racking up debt, intrusion into people's lives, higher taxes, endless wars, global economic coalitions, unstable monetary policy, expanding govt, expanding entitlements, open borders. Most of them are no better than the left. What did W do about any of that better than Obama? 0

They are one worlders and globalists. They are elitists. They are authoritarians that don't give two shits about you or the constitution but want you to think they do. Problem now, is people have seen through a lot of it. Is Trump the answer or solution to it? Not at all. But the people's like for him is because of the aforementioned disdain for the goons that have been there for 50 years and done NOTHING but create turmoil and debt. 

[WiregrassTiger]

Yes, and "bomb the shit out of Iraq", "kill their families", and "do much worse than waterboarding" is a complete 180 from those warmongering neocons...