The Force Awakens

Kaos · « **on:** October 21, 2015, 10:01:23 AM »

Ok, so the latest Star Wars trailer has my hopes up.

The first three in retrospect weren't what you'd call great cinema, but those movies were a cultural phenomenon and had a significant impact on a lot of people. I'll never forget sitting in the theater when that massive ship dominated the entire screen. Unlocked a sense of wonder in me. Doesn't matter that I now know that "massive" ship was actually the size of a matchbox car.

Those three movies -- even with the stupid ass Ewoks, which I hated -- were legends to me.

And then? They came out with those god awful, shittacular fuckersnots with Racist Jinks, that punk ass bitch Jingle All the Way kid, that turd in a cape Homo Christensen and some painted up Halloween freak Darth Bannister or some ridiculous garbage. That took a filthy broccoli shit all over my entire childhood. Those movies were such an abomination that Caddyshack II high fived itself.

I didn't want to have any expectations for this new version/story or whatever. But I've got to admit that when I first saw Han and Chewie in the original trailer it gave me some goosebumps. This last trailer has me on board. I bought tickets for opening night yesterday.

The bad part is I think I already have it figured out. Luke has gone bad. That's the story. I hope I'm wrong and there's a bigger story than that, but my gut says that at the end of this film a mask will be removed to reveal bad Luke Skywalker, seduced by the dark side.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #1 on:** October 21, 2015, 10:08:12 AM »

Agree totally. After the first 3, it wasn't Star Wars anymore. I completely lost interest in trying to follow it and keep up with the new cast of characters and storylines.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2015, 10:24:26 AM »

Quote from: Kaos on October 21, 2015, 10:01:23 AM

The bad part is I think I already have it figured out. Luke has gone bad. That's the story. I hope I'm wrong and there's a bigger story than that, but my gut says that at the end of this film a mask will be removed to reveal bad Luke Skywalker, seduced by the dark side.

I agree with this, but I think it'll be more complicated than that.

That was a big point of IV-VI. It's very difficult to avoid the dark side when you're that skilled in the Force.

I don't think Luke Skywalker is suddenly going to be the next Vader. I do think we'll see him isolated on a distant planet trying to keep balance in himself with the Force. We may learn something more about Yoda as well. Was Yoda really on that planet by himself to live out a retirement? Or was there something else going on that he was trying to keep at bay?

Godfather · « **Reply #3 on:** October 21, 2015, 11:05:22 AM »

The fact that George Lucas didn't write it nor is directing it is good enough for me.

WiregrassTiger · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2015, 11:12:01 AM »

I knew that all of you are nerds but damn. Just damn. (insert Tubb's facepalm that no longer works for me on Winders 10 and my new highspeed industrial computer)

ssgaufan · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2015, 11:30:32 AM »

Quote from: WiregrassTiger on October 21, 2015, 11:12:01 AM

I knew that all of you are nerds but damn. Just damn.

GH2001 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2015, 12:24:06 PM »

I thought this was a thread about kaos taking Viagra.

Godfather · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2015, 12:26:59 PM »

BTW you are wrong about Luke, Kaos, just letting you know. I have read the after books, Luke is not the bad guy.

AUJarhead · « **Reply #8 on:** October 21, 2015, 12:51:23 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on October 21, 2015, 12:26:59 PM

BTW you are wrong about Luke, Kaos, just letting you know. I have read the after books, Luke is not the bad guy.

Which ones? Only ones I've read take place right after Jedi.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #9 on:** October 21, 2015, 02:16:49 PM »

Quote from: AUJarhead on October 21, 2015, 12:51:23 PM

Which ones? Only ones I've read take place right after Jedi.

They're comic books

AUJarhead · « **Reply #10 on:** October 21, 2015, 03:06:57 PM »

Quote from: Snaggletiger on October 21, 2015, 02:16:49 PM

They're comic books

Aftermath is a legit book, words and everything. No pictures!

Godfather · « **Reply #11 on:** October 21, 2015, 03:32:55 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on October 21, 2015, 12:26:59 PM

BTW you are wrong about Luke, Kaos, just letting you know. I have read the after books, Luke is not the bad guy.

Disregard this I was informed by someone more knowledgable in the force, that when the rat took over he waved his hand and made half the Star Wars Universe disappear.

The Six · « **Reply #12 on:** October 21, 2015, 03:42:21 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on October 21, 2015, 03:32:55 PM

Disregard this I was informed by someone more knowledgable in the force, that when the rat took over he waved his hand and made half the Star Wars Universe disappear.

Mickey don't play. Just ask the Jonas Brothers.

AUChizad · « **Reply #13 on:** October 21, 2015, 06:36:41 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on October 21, 2015, 03:32:55 PM

Disregard this I was informed by someone more knowledgable in the force, that when the rat took over he waved his hand and made half the Star Wars Universe disappear.

This is correct. And a good thing, IMO. Mainly due to the fact that it would be lame to release a movie following the plot lines of some amateur ass fan fiction that everyone already knows.

However...

Quote from: Kaos on October 21, 2015, 10:01:23 AM

The bad part is I think I already have it figured out. Luke has gone bad. That's the story. I hope I'm wrong and there's a bigger story than that, but my gut says that at the end of this film a mask will be removed to reveal bad Luke Skywalker, seduced by the dark side.

Luke is suspiciously absent from the poster and sort of absent from the trailers. That's true. However, it is more likely that he's disfigured or something after living in exile and they want his appearance to be some sort of reveal in the film.

Adam Driver is playing Kylo Ren, the new Sith.

And these luscious locks do not belong to Mark Hamill.

Also so here's the trailer, and, spoiler based on an observation from it that I'll print it in white for courtesy.

Chewbacca's dead. 1:45. Clearly him. Hairy body, shoulder strap thing.

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #14 on:** October 21, 2015, 07:37:49 PM »

Just watched that trailer. Okay, THAT'S what I'm talkin' bout. I will go see this.

AUJarhead · « **Reply #15 on:** October 21, 2015, 09:30:22 PM »

Quote from: AUChizad on October 21, 2015, 06:36:41 PM

However, it is more likely that he's disfigured or something after living in exile and they want his appearance to be some sort of reveal in the film.

Not disfigured.

Likely in hiding.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 21, 2015, 10:35:42 PM »

Quote from: AUJarhead on October 21, 2015, 09:30:22 PM

Not disfigured.

Likely in hiding.

Hiding is my guess, but not from anything other than distraction. To master the Force he's got to embrace the yin and yang, right? I'd assume acknowledging/accepting the Dark Side requires constant vigilance so that you aren't slowly convinced by the silver tongue that doesn't shut up. You find a swamp, eliminate all distractions, hang out and focus on accentuating the positive and e-liminating the negative in order to reach the highest level of Nirvana. Which, coincidentally, smells like Teen Spirit.

djsimp · « **Reply #17 on:** October 21, 2015, 10:49:42 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on October 21, 2015, 10:35:42 PM

Hiding is my guess, but not from anything other than distraction. To master the Force he's got to embrace the yin and yang, right? I'd assume acknowledging/accepting the Dark Side requires constant vigilance so that you aren't slowly convinced by the silver tongue that doesn't shut up. You find a swamp, eliminate all distractions, hang out and focus on accentuating the positive and e-liminating the negative in order to reach the highest level of Nirvana. Which, coincidentally, smells like Teen Spirit.

Basically following Yodas footprint

AUChizad · « **Reply #18 on:** December 18, 2015, 10:05:34 AM »

Anybody see it yet?

Here are my takes, without spoilers...

First of all, it was 10,000x better than the prequels. It was everything we wanted those to be. The CGI was tactful and didn't take you out of the movie. It was used in a way that updated the franchise, yet didn't feel like it was relying on it, and still kept the feel of the originals rather than some Pixar bullshit.

The acting was infinitely better than the deadpan garbage in the prequels and probably better than any movie in the franchise.

There was actual, genuine humor. Not "Yousa gonna be in some deep doodoo" childish annoying tripe.

And most importantly, it was just good. The plot was coherent and you actually gave a shit about the characters.

In my opinion, the use of old characters to tie back to the original trilogy, and new characters being the central focus was perfectly balanced and effective. This wasn't like Indiana Jones where the central focus was some a cast of geriatrics to capitalize on nostalgia. The passing of the torch felt genuine, not contrived.

It borrowed from the original trilogy in just the right ways and just the right amounts to make it feel like it belonged in the franchise, without being too much just a wink and nod fest. The three new leads, Rey, Finn, and Poe, had strong elements of Luke, Leia and Han, although some of their characteristics were rearranged a bit. Specifically, Rey is more of the Luke character. Poe is definitely the Han. Finn is sort of more the Leia role.

I won't go any further into the plot than that, but divorcing myself from the nostalgia factor, it could possibly have been the best film in the series, when taking all of that into account. It was definitely in the mix with the original trilogy and was FOR SURE better than the prequels by miles and miles. In fact, this just made me angrier at what a pile of garbage those were and how they COULD have been more like this in so many ways...

Snaggletiger · « **Reply #19 on:** December 18, 2015, 10:19:39 AM »

I'm genuinely pumped about seeing this. After Return of the Jedi, the whole thing lost me. Became totally uninterested. Similar to Batman and Bond for me. After the 27th different Batman and 64th James Bond, it stopped working. When I saw the trailer, I thought "Okay, this looks like the Star Wars that had me driving home from the theater playing Jedi Knight and using my gear shift to fire laser shots at incoming evil guys".