Today is the day all of you gay Xers unite!

[RWS]

So has pedophelia.

Two legal consenting adults trying to marry is not the same as a 50 year old fucking a 5 year old.  Ditto for murder; one party is not consenting. 

[Godfather]

What is wrong with pedophelia?  Surrous querstion dat I be axin.

Signed,
Uncle Sani

[Kaos]

What is wrong with pedophelia?  Surrous querstion dat I be axin.

Broken bones are always a problem. 

[War Eagle!!!]

As to the Bible being perfect, I have faith that it is. I recognize the difference between the New and the Old testaments, but I believe in the whole. Logically, I recognize that it was written, collectively, by inherently fallible men. But here's the rub: If I just start cherry picking passages that I like or don't like because it was written by men I might as well chuck the Bible out of the window and start being a new age, "spiritual", good feelings and good vibes hippy type.

Who says God has to make sense to you? And you have to agree with what GOD says? Good grief.

What about the difference between a man that was born gay and a man that was born straight? Both are born with the drive to commit acts that the Bible defines as sin. Having worked in a jail I can tell you that a surprising percentage of men and women are capable of committing both heterosexual and homosexual acts. But if you really start deciding what is wrong or right based off how you're born the struggle of Christianity, and life in general, loses meaning. Whats the point in preaching the word of God? You were either born to believe it or not. Whats the point of charity? Poor were born to starve to death. Whats the point of science and medicine? Men were born to die of the measles and if man was meant to fly we'd have wings. As you can see, if you take that line of thinking to its inevitable conclusion you wind up excusing a lot of silliness.

Now here's the problem I have with my fellow conservatives: sin is sin. To be guilty of any one sin, without faith in Jesus' sacrifice, is to be condemned to hell. That means that all sins, having the same penalty, are equally horrible in God's eyes. Now, I commit sin. You guys sure as hell do. In fact, on this very board, several of you argued that prostitution should be legal, or at least ignored. Now how is it that a prostitute, who is capable of tempting you red-blooded American boys less of an "abomination" to the church OR the state than a gay dude marrying another gay dude? At the very least, I assume the married gay dudes aren't going to be capable of subverting any church men into sin. As a representative of the state I can point out that prostitution causes or correlates with a number of other criminal problems. Haven't seen anyone clamoring to get anyone arrested for cheating on their wives, or take away the rights of divorced couples. Nobody getting locked up for taking the Lord's name in vain either. Why is this one sin so important to the state?

I think the state oughta get out of the marriage business altogether. Do I think homosexuality is okay? Nah its gross and a sin but that ain't really any of the state's business.  Separation of church and state and all that. I think we have wayyyyy bigger fish to fry as a country in general and as conservatives in specific. I think Christians who believe and follow the Bible oughta remember the greatest commandment.

Jesus replied: “'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Well said.

[Godfather]

Well said.

I would have gone with "Amen"

[Godfather]

I will add that judging and persecuting others is also a "sin". Live and let live, I say. 

Do I find homosecks gross...yep. Do I condemn them... nope, it's their thing.   What right as a person do I have to judge others? Let God sort them out.

Like Jumbo said, if they want to get married, let them.  It doesn't affect me, if they want to be equally miserable.

[GH2001]

I will add that judging and persecuting others is also a "sin". Live and let live, I say.

It really is that simple. End of story.

[Godfather]

What is wrong with pedophelia?  Surrous querstion dat I be axin.

Shit... cause then I have to walk back through the forrest alone.

[War Eagle!!!]

This will be the last I say of this. You don't have to change your heart to know Jesus. You get to know Jesus so he can change your heart. It is up to Christians to love everyone and share the word of God with all people. It is not up to Christians to try and change anyone. If someone knows Christ, He will do that for them. If being gay is a sin, so be it. But that is up to God to change their heart and not us. Being gay is not taking someones life or raping a child. Those comparisons are dumb. Being gay is a way of life for some people and if it is disapproving to God, then God will handle it. Christ taught us to love everyone and share His word to everyone. If we do that, Christ will handle the rest.

[Godfather]

I would also like to add that I never come into this forum, because I do not like to debate politics.  It is a never ending battle because you are never going to change the mindset of someone else. 

However the rest of this fucking forum is dead, because all of you fuckers want to talk about gay shit. 

I now hate you all.

[Buzz Killington]

This will be the last I say of this. You don't have to change your heart to know Jesus. You get to know Jesus so he can change your heart. It is up to Christians to love everyone and share the word of God with all people. It is not up to Christians to try and change anyone. If someone knows Christ, He will do that for them. If being gay is a sin, so be it. But that is up to God to change their heart and not us. Being gay is not taking someones life or raping a child. Those comparisons are dumb. Being gay is a way of life for some people and if it is disapproving to God, then God will handle it. Christ taught us to love everyone and share His word to everyone. If we do that, Christ will handle the rest.

Very well put.  I don't agree with homosexuality, but it is not my place to judge people.  All I can do as a Christian is love everybody (even you, GF) and try my best to live a life the way I should.  Which, by the way, I never do. 

[Kaos]

This will be the last I say of this. You don't have to change your heart to know Jesus. You get to know Jesus so he can change your heart. It is up to Christians to love everyone and share the word of God with all people. It is not up to Christians to try and change anyone. If someone knows Christ, He will do that for them. If being gay is a sin, so be it. But that is up to God to change their heart and not us. Being gay is not taking someones life or raping a child. Those comparisons are dumb. Being gay is a way of life for some people and if it is disapproving to God, then God will handle it. Christ taught us to love everyone and share His word to everyone. If we do that, Christ will handle the rest.

Hate the sin. 

You're not doing that.  Can't hate the sin and condone acceptance of the activity in the same breath. 

Doesn't work. 

[War Eagle!!!]

Hate the sin. 

You're not doing that.  Can't hate the sin and condone acceptance of the activity in the same breath. 

Doesn't work.

Saw where Mobile mobilized a task force and in conjuction with Homeland Security rounded up 16 prostitutes.  They were all pretty ugly so not worth linking or adding photos. 

But I think about this. 

Why is it illegal for a woman to agree to fuck a man for money if that's what she wants to do?  Pimping I'm not much of a fan of, it just wasn't as much fun as I thought it would be. 

But if you're 25 years old or older and you choose to provide a man services in exchange for benefits, why should you be prevented from doing so?

I happen to know a 25 year old girl who currently "visits" at least three different married men.  She works sort of part time, but has her own apartment. She has a very nice car. She's always dripping in nice clothes, jewelry, shoes, watches, and accessories.  She goes to Vegas for weekends. She flies to New York for Christmas shopping.  She's never short of cash. Ever.

Some would call her a prostitute I guess. It's not what I'd want for my kids, but this girl has limited education, she's not very bright and she's using the only thing she has at her disposal.  Because she looks good. And flirts hard.  She is smart enough that even though she's mowing through money, she's also putting shitloads back.  Her bank account is fat.  Fatter than mine.

Should she be condemned? Is what she's doing wrong (other than the morality of providing married men what they are absolutely, positively not getting at home).  These guys aren't going to leave their wives and kids. They all know exactly what they're getting out of it. 

Is that wrong?

[Snaggletiger]

Well now.

[Kaos]

It was a question. 

[WiregrassTiger]

You know it's bad when I'm tired of talking about the gays. Lets move on to something else. Like my big wang-a-lang. Whatever. I will lock this thread if you don't.

[AUTiger1]

As to the Bible being perfect, I have faith that it is. I recognize the difference between the New and the Old testaments, but I believe in the whole. Logically, I recognize that it was written, collectively, by inherently fallible men. But here's the rub: If I just start cherry picking passages that I like or don't like because it was written by men I might as well chuck the Bible out of the window and start being a new age, "spiritual", good feelings and good vibes hippy type.

Who says God has to make sense to you? And you have to agree with what GOD says? Good grief.

What about the difference between a man that was born gay and a man that was born straight? Both are born with the drive to commit acts that the Bible defines as sin. Having worked in a jail I can tell you that a surprising percentage of men and women are capable of committing both heterosexual and homosexual acts. But if you really start deciding what is wrong or right based off how you're born the struggle of Christianity, and life in general, loses meaning. Whats the point in preaching the word of God? You were either born to believe it or not. Whats the point of charity? Poor were born to starve to death. Whats the point of science and medicine? Men were born to die of the measles and if man was meant to fly we'd have wings. As you can see, if you take that line of thinking to its inevitable conclusion you wind up excusing a lot of silliness.

Now here's the problem I have with my fellow conservatives: sin is sin. To be guilty of any one sin, without faith in Jesus' sacrifice, is to be condemned to hell. That means that all sins, having the same penalty, are equally horrible in God's eyes. Now, I commit sin. You guys sure as hell do. In fact, on this very board, several of you argued that prostitution should be legal, or at least ignored. Now how is it that a prostitute, who is capable of tempting you red-blooded American boys less of an "abomination" to the church OR the state than a gay dude marrying another gay dude? At the very least, I assume the married gay dudes aren't going to be capable of subverting any church men into sin. As a representative of the state I can point out that prostitution causes or correlates with a number of other criminal problems. Haven't seen anyone clamoring to get anyone arrested for cheating on their wives, or take away the rights of divorced couples. Nobody getting locked up for taking the Lord's name in vain either. Why is this one sin so important to the state?

I think the state oughta get out of the marriage business altogether. Do I think homosexuality is okay? Nah its gross and a sin but that ain't really any of the state's business.  Separation of church and state and all that. I think we have wayyyyy bigger fish to fry as a country in general and as conservatives in specific. I think Christians who believe and follow the Bible oughta remember the greatest commandment.

Jesus replied: “'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

 

[Snaggletiger]

It was tl;dr.  But if I had, I'm sure I would have liked it.

[AUTiger1]

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/02/gay_marriage_in_alabama_a_repo.html

[Snaggletiger]