Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2

[The Prowler]

Depth perception is a bit skewed when one of your effing eyeballs is pushed back into your effing skull!

From that video, the police officer didn't look to be in any sort of pain and I've yet to see a video of him being looked at by any EMTs. You'd think if someone had a fractured bone, that there would be some sort of pain or blood...something, definitely not just casually walking around.

[bgreene]

If you're claiming to have shot the guy while he's on top of you, I don't think you need your sight to know he's on top of you.

Keep in mind that I'm not stating that Brown was in the right, or that the witnesses' stories that support Brown are correct.  I'm merely pointing out that the evidence that comes out keeps contradicting both stories to some degree.

And again, there's always the chance that the clothing has gun powder residue.

I think it's still too early in the investigation to adamantly support either side.

If I'm right, the autopsy report stated that he was shot in the arm four times, and in the head twice.  so why would there be any gun powder residue on his clothes.  If there was going to be gun powder, it would be on the skin.

[smooth_operator]

From that video, the police officer didn't look to be in any sort of pain and I've yet to see a video of him being looked at by any EMTs. You'd think if someone had a fractured bone, that there would be some sort of pain or blood...something, definitely not just casually walking around.

The pain, in theory, yes, until you factor in the physiological changes survival stress puts on you and the different effects. Multiple, multiple accounts of people not knowing they had been shot, stabbed ect...
As far as the blood probably not enough to be visible from a grainy cell camera unless it was a compound fracture.
If you'll pardon the expression I still haven't seen a smoking gun one way or another I'm just tired of it tearing the country apart. The outdoor forum I visit is horrifying. I'm depressed at how quickly people use situations such as this to descend into hatred and violence.

[Vandy Vol]

If I'm right, the autopsy report stated that he was shot in the arm four times, and in the head twice.  so why would there be any gun powder residue on his clothes.  If there was going to be gun powder, it would be on the skin.

Those were my thoughts as well.  As close as the officer is claiming that Brown was, and the fact that he claims he shot him while in the car with him, there should be gun powder residue on the skin.  Not sure why there isn't, unless the officer's story isn't completely true.

But if there does happen to be gun powder residue on the clothes, then that would corroborate the officer's story, although it would still be confusing as to how none got on the skin when the wounds were all on exposed areas and the shots were (allegedly) fired at such close range.

[DnATL]

Those were my thoughts as well.  As close as the officer is claiming that Brown was, and the fact that he claims he shot him while in the car with him, there should be gun powder residue on the skin.  Not sure why there isn't, unless the officer's story isn't completely true.

But if there does happen to be gun powder residue on the clothes, then that would corroborate the officer's story, although it would still be confusing as to how none got on the skin when the wounds were all on exposed areas and the shots were (allegedly) fired at such close range.

Maybe they didn't see it on his skin because it was black powder?

[Vandy Vol]

Maybe they didn't see it on his skin because it was black powder?

[The Prowler]

All I know is if the verdict is "not guilty", there's going to be a lot of violence...probably more than the initial riots.

[bgreene]

All I know is if the verdict is "not guilty", there's going to be a lot of violence...probably more than the initial riots.

There won't be one hair extension store will be safe.

[CCTAU]

All I know is if the verdict is "not guilty", there's going to be a lot of violence...probably more than the initial riots.

Good. It will further confirm the left's constituents as idiots.


The minorities in this country have taken a step backwards since their great messiah has taken office, and few of them can see it. The party of equality continues to keep everyone in their place while making them think there is progress. I would laugh except it is dangerously sad.

[War Eagle!!!]

All I know is if the verdict is "not guilty", there's going to be a lot of violence...probably more than the initial riots.

Well then obviously, they need to find him guilty...facts be damned...

[AUChizad]

Meanwhile a few miles away in St. Louis.

[Townhallsavoy]

Seems like the cops in that video followed protocol.  Responded to a situation.  A man brandishing a knife comes towards them.  They give him multiple warnings to drop the weapon and hold his position.  He gets too close and blam, blam.  He's dead. 

[dallaswareagle]

Seems like the cops in that video followed protocol.  Responded to a situation.  A man brandishing a knife comes towards them.  They give him multiple warnings to drop the weapon and hold his position.  He gets too close and blam, blam.  He's dead.

White cop, black suspect Victim.


Racism. 

[GH2001]

Seems like the cops in that video followed protocol.  Responded to a situation.  A man brandishing a knife comes towards them.  They give him multiple warnings to drop the weapon and hold his position.  He gets too close and blam, blam.  He's dead.

THIS ^^

Now - what if something similar happened in Ferguson? I think its very possible. No video so impossible to know for sure but just saying that COULD have happened. He also literally invited them to shoot him while being very threatening to the cops.

Notice the picture that is immediately painted by the bystander? "Man dey done shot dat dude over a honey bun and soda...that aint rite. Dey should have just let him have it."

Right...thats exactly why he got shot. He dug his own grave on this one...literally.

[Townhallsavoy]

THIS ^^

Now - what if something similar happened in Ferguson? I think its very possible. No video so impossible to know for sure but just saying that COULD have happened. He also literally invited them to shoot him while being very threatening to the cops.

Notice the picture that is immediately painted by the bystander? "Man dey done shot dat dude over a honey bun and soda...that aint rite. Dey should have just let him have it."

Right...thats exactly why he got shot. He dug his own grave on this one...literally.

Not to mention criticizing the officers for cuffing him.  Don't care if he's dead or appears to be dead.  He gets an extra heartbeat or two and that's enough for an officer or an innocent civilian to die. 

[AUChizad]

Meh...Not excusing the behavior of this guy at all. He was certainly asking for it.

But the officers said he had a knife in an overhand position drawn to attack. I can't see a knife at all in the video. Not saying he doesn't have one, but it wasn't drawn like they described.

Also, they said he was charging at them from 3-4 feet, which would have been legal to use lethal force at that point. He was never closer than like 10 feet from them.

So (surprise) they lied to make it look better on them.

Were they on edge because of the shit that went down in Ferguson? Probably. Was this dude clearly being confrontational and showed potential to get violent? Certainly.

Once again, I see this as a fuck up from all sides.

[smooth_operator]

Meh...Not excusing the behavior of this guy at all. He was certainly asking for it.

But the officers said he had a knife in an overhand position drawn to attack. I can't see a knife at all in the video. Not saying he doesn't have one, but it wasn't drawn like they described.

Also, they said he was charging at them from 3-4 feet, which would have been legal to use lethal force at that point. He was never closer than like 10 feet from them.

So (surprise) they lied to make it look better on them.

Were they on edge because of the shoot that went down in Ferguson? Probably. Was this dude clearly being confrontational and showed potential to get violent? Certainly.

Once again, I see this as a fudge up from all sides.

21 feet is the recommended distance for applying lethal force against an edged weapon. He got way fudgeing closer than that. If you were half the expert you think you were you would read up about the effects of survival stress on an individual and then you would never be surprised when things are misremembered. The stress of having to kill someone to save yourself or another is so high that soldiers and cops almost never remember exactly what happened, thank God this goon recorded and released his video. Speaking of that goon he had lots of opportunity to defuse the situation. If he was my friend I would've.
If you're such a hero that you have a better answer to lethal confrontations than using the recommended tactical solutions then sign the fudge up and get to saving life, armchair quarterback
The one thing about you that amazes me is how sure you are about things you don't know shoot about.

[WiregrassTiger]

Officers: "Get your hands out of your pocket!"
Dumbass: "Shoot me! Shoot me (motherfuckers?) Shoot me now!"
Gunfire: Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow!
Dumbass filming: "Oh my God....(long pause) they just kilt him."

You know, I don't mean to make light of someone dying but this was a Darwin award winning scenario. And the amazement of the people who witnessed it is even more amazing than the dumbasses actions. I wonder what they really thought would happen?

"They cudda tazed him cuz" cameraman is correct. They could've tased him. They could've also been shot or stabbed while trying to juice him up. They protected themselves in the most efficient manner. Now, they'll go through a whirlwind of stupid ass second-guessing.

[AUChizad]

21 feet is the recommended distance for applying lethal force against an edged weapon. He got way fudgeing closer than that. If you were half the expert you think you were you would read up about the effects of survival stress on an individual and then you would never be surprised when things are misremembered. The stress of having to kill someone to save yourself or another is so high that soldiers and cops almost never remember exactly what happened, thank God this goon recorded and released his video. Speaking of that goon he had lots of opportunity to defuse the situation. If he was my friend I would've.
If you're such a hero that you have a better answer to lethal confrontations than using the recommended tactical solutions then sign the fudge up and get to saving life, armchair quarterback
The one thing about you that amazes me is how sure you are about things you don't know shoot about.

I don't have to be a cop to read the article that accompanied the video.

Cell Phone Video Emerges That Refutes St. Louis Cops Version of Shooting
By Jay Syrmopoulos on August 20, 2014

St. Louis- On Tuesday, while tensions continued to simmer in Ferguson, just a few miles away 25-year-old Kajieme Powell was gunned down by St. Louis cops.

Officers claimed that they were in fear of their lives as Powell charged at them with a knife. They claim he had the knife in an “overhand grip” and came within three feet of the officers, at which time they opened fire, killing Powell.

The incident stemmed from a call by a Six Star Market owner after Powell allegedly stole two energy drinks, according to KSDK.

Reports from witnesses claim that Powell was acting erratically, pacing back and forth on the street and talking to himself, while carrying a knife.

St. Louis Metro Police Chief Sam Dotson responding to a question of whether the shooting was justified said his officers “have a right to go home at night” going on to say that all officers have a right to defend themselves.

He went on to defend his officers actions saying that they used deadly force due to the suspect with a knife coming within three of four feet of the officers, which would be considered within lethal range.

New cell phone video has emerged that calls into question officer’s version of events, and Dotson’s defense of his officers, leading up to the shooting.

In the video two cops arrive together, exit the vehicle, and demand Powell drop the knife. Powell begins yelling “shoot me, shoot me, shoot me now,” as walks onto a ledge then steps off as if to approach.

Powell, who had his hands at his sides, never came within more than 10-15 feet of the officers before they opened fire killing him.

As the man recording the incident stated,

“They could have tazed that man.”
Surely the officers could have utilized non-lethal force in this situation.

It seems that these officers, and Police Chief Dotson, think they are the only ones that “have a right to go home at night.”

The police turned a call about two stolen energy drinks into a murder, of course they will say it was justified, so they could go home at night… sadly, Kajieme Powell will never be able to go home again.

It’s this us or them mentality that has created the conditions we see in Ferguson and around the country, as the warrior cop has no sense how to diffuse a situation, but rather only how to use force and brutality on those they are sworn to protect and serve.

For the tenth time, I'm not defending the guy. He was clearly provoking the cops. He was clearly confrontational. No one really should be surprised when a guy ends up dead after bowing up for the cops daring them to shoot you.

I'm merely playing devil's advocate that there appear to be precautions that were not taken before resorting to shooting this guy nine times from 15 feet away within 15 seconds of getting out of their car.

[Snaggletiger]

21 feet is the recommended distance for applying lethal force against an edged weapon. He got way fudgeing closer than that. If you were half the expert you think you were you would read up about the effects of survival stress on an individual and then you would never be surprised when things are misremembered. The stress of having to kill someone to save yourself or another is so high that soldiers and cops almost never remember exactly what happened, thank God this goon recorded and released his video. Speaking of that goon he had lots of opportunity to defuse the situation. If he was my friend I would've.
If you're such a hero that you have a better answer to lethal confrontations than using the recommended tactical solutions then sign the fudge up and get to saving life, armchair quarterback
The one thing about you that amazes me is how sure you are about things you don't know shoot about.

Chizad.  Making friends and offering sound advice since 2006.