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Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2

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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #140 on: August 19, 2014, 02:53:57 PM »
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #141 on: August 19, 2014, 02:56:32 PM »
If you want to go underground and do the vigilante thing in a black van with tinted windows, I will drive. We could call it the A team. Or, B team. Whichever you want. I just want to shoot some fuckers.

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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #142 on: August 19, 2014, 03:06:46 PM »
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #143 on: August 19, 2014, 03:41:14 PM »
If the Scots vote to tell England to fuck off once and for all in a couple of weeks, it may not be the worst option. Aside from all the rain and fog and shit.

Are you kidding? They will be damn near bankrupt in 10 years. Those people are a helluva lot more fun to be around, but they have never successfully governed themselves. Now is a bad time to start.
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #144 on: August 19, 2014, 04:11:55 PM »
If the Scots vote to tell England to fuck off once and for all in a couple of weeks, it may not be the worst option. Aside from all the rain and fog and shit.

And cold.  Don't forget the cold. 
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #145 on: August 19, 2014, 04:17:15 PM »
Are you kidding? They will be damn near bankrupt in 10 years. Those people are a helluva lot more fun to be around, but they have never successfully governed themselves. Now is a bad time to start.

Lot of propaganda out there about it....

Their revenues created far exceed their expenses out the door. The country they are trying to get away from however is the exact opposite. Why is it do you think England is adamantly opposed to it? They will be fine.

But yea, rain and cold. It would be an adjustment. Lots of people gonna be considering these places in general soon though.
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #146 on: August 19, 2014, 04:50:26 PM »
Lot of propaganda out there about it....

Their revenues created far exceed their expenses out the door. The country they are trying to get away from however is the exact opposite. Why is it do you think England is adamantly opposed to it? They will be fine.

But yea, rain and cold. It would be an adjustment. Lots of people gonna be considering these places in general soon though.

Sounds like a good place to increase my drinking.
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #147 on: August 19, 2014, 04:50:51 PM »
Smooth, I think you deserve a slap on the back.
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #148 on: August 19, 2014, 05:02:26 PM »
I just read this entire thread.  Have you gone berserk?  Can't you see that man is a ni...
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #149 on: August 19, 2014, 05:02:55 PM »
I just read this entire thread.  Have you gone berserk?  Can't you see that man is a ni...

He's near!
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #150 on: August 19, 2014, 05:10:02 PM »
I just read this entire thread.  Have you gone berserk?  Can't you see that man is a ni...
What'd he say?
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #151 on: August 19, 2014, 05:38:23 PM »
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #152 on: August 19, 2014, 06:02:42 PM »
We don't agree. Graham's "totality" standard is the standard for determining the reasonableness of a use of force. If you find a judge unwilling to consider the "totality" then you find a trial judge not following the standard set by SCOTUS. Not to say I wouldn't be surprised.

The SCOTUS opinion you cited has nothing to do with the rules of evidence, as I've already stated.  It addressed whether reasonable cause existed to use excessive force.  The court only addressed the fact that the victim's history could create reasonable cause, but the issue was not raised as to whether the victim's history is admissible.  So Graham is, as I've already stated, not applicable to this discussion.

Furthermore, just because evidence exists doesn't mean that it's admissible.  A piece of evidence can be part of the "totality" of the situation, but that doesn't mean it's automatically admissible.  So while a court has agreed that a cop can and should take into account a victim's history when determining what amount of force to use, and while the victim's history may be viewed as a piece of evidence, not all evidence is admissible.  That basic premise does not violate the decision in Graham, nor does it violate any SCOTUS opinion.  I've already cited to case law which shows that the victim's history still has to go through the 404(b) and 403 tests, even in use of force determinations.

If what you're claiming were true, then the court would not have gone through those tests.  The court would have just said, "According to Graham, the victim's history is part of the 'totality' of the facts and circumstances that the officer has to consider, and thus it's automatically admissible because we are forced to review the 'totality,' as we can not exclude any part of the 'totality.'"  Yet they didn't do that, and instead proceeded to walk through the 404(b) and 403 tests...not sure what more you want in order to prove that the rules of evidence still have to be followed, and that those rules of evidence do prohibit admitting the victim's history in some circumstances.
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #153 on: August 19, 2014, 06:17:51 PM »


Wes and I don't appreciate you posting pictures of us.
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #154 on: August 19, 2014, 06:56:38 PM »
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ferguson-police-fail-attempt-smear-michael-brown-exposed/#mc0TW0dWEG1L7E7G.99

So, the police officer wasn't responding to the dispatcher giving him the description of the robbery suspect or suspects (like was stated at some point in the police's spider web story) and the video wasn't seen until a few days later...hmmmm
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #155 on: August 19, 2014, 07:37:33 PM »
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ferguson-police-fail-attempt-smear-michael-brown-exposed/#mc0TW0dWEG1L7E7G.99

So, the police officer wasn't responding to the dispatcher giving him the description of the robbery suspect or suspects (like was stated at some point in the police's spider web story) and the video wasn't seen until a few days later...hmmmm

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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #156 on: August 19, 2014, 08:49:40 PM »
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ferguson-police-fail-attempt-smear-michael-brown-exposed/#mc0TW0dWEG1L7E7G.99

So, the police officer wasn't responding to the dispatcher giving him the description of the robbery suspect or suspects (like was stated at some point in the police's spider web story) and the video wasn't seen until a few days later...hmmmm

The county hasn't released its autopsy report yet, but the autopsy report performed by a private party at the request of the family has been released.  According to that report, no gun powder residue was found on the body, suggesting that the shots were not fired within close range.  However, the report also indicates that the clothes were not tested for gun powder residue in that autopsy, probably because the county only allowed the doctor to view the body.

I still have no idea which "side" is correct in this case, but the facts that continue to come out seem to contradict both stories.  It'll be interesting to see what picture the total body of evidence paints.
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #157 on: August 19, 2014, 09:15:15 PM »
The county hasn't released its autopsy report yet, but the autopsy report performed by a private party at the request of the family has been released.  According to that report, no gun powder residue was found on the body, suggesting that the shots were not fired within close range.  However, the report also indicates that the clothes were not tested for gun powder residue in that autopsy, probably because the county only allowed the doctor to view the body.

I still have no idea which "side" is correct in this case, but the facts that continue to come out seem to contradict both stories.  It'll be interesting to see what picture the total body of evidence paints.

"And to conclude the investigation, it turns out that Mike Brown was killed by a bow and arrow shot by a boy across the street.  Darren Wilson does not exist, and Ferguson is not even a city in the United States." 
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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #158 on: August 19, 2014, 09:38:19 PM »
"And to conclude the investigation, it turns out that Mike Brown was killed by a bow and arrow shot by a boy across the street.  Darren Wilson does not exist, and Ferguson is not even a city in the United States."

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Re: Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2
« Reply #159 on: August 19, 2014, 09:57:27 PM »
And cold.  Don't forget the cold.
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