Mike Brown: Trayvon Part 2

[War Eagle!!!]

How, from the angle of the camera, do you know how far the dude is from the officer?

[Token]

How, from the angle of the camera, do you know how far the dude is from the officer?

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Furthermore, who decided in the article that he never came closer than 10-15 feet?  There is a lot of difference between 10 and 15 feet. How could you make such a statement without knowing the exact footage?

Either way, he was certainly within 21 feet. And he most certainly closed the gap between himself and the officers.  While carrying a knife. While screaming "shoot me". After taking something that didn't belong to him.

[Saniflush]

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Furthermore, who decided in the article that he never came closer than 10-15 feet?  There is a lot of difference between 10 and 15 feet. How could you make such a statement without knowing the exact footage?

Either way, he was certainly within 21 feet. And he most certainly closed the gap between himself and the officers.  While carrying a knife. While screaming "shoot me". After taking something that didn't belong to him.

Shit was suicide by cop.  Fuck him.

[Townhallsavoy]

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Furthermore, who decided in the article that he never came closer than 10-15 feet?  There is a lot of difference between 10 and 15 feet. How could you make such a statement without knowing the exact footage?

Either way, he was certainly within 21 feet. And he most certainly closed the gap between himself and the officers.  While carrying a knife. While screaming "shoot me". After taking something that didn't belong to him.

I will ask this -

With current technology and current research funding and the vast amount of money being given to police forces to purchase military grade equipment, where are the tasers?  This guy could have been subdued the second he began resisting the police.  Why are we not investing in better technology for situations like this? 

[Snaggletiger]

Shit was suicide by cop.  Fuck him.

Hold it! Next man makes a move, the ni**er gets it!

Hold it men.  He's not bluffing.

[dallaswareagle]

I will ask this -

With current technology and current research funding and the vast amount of money being given to police forces to purchase military grade equipment, where are the tasers?  This guy could have been subdued the second he began resisting the police.  Why are we not investing in better technology for situations like this?

All the advance technology in the world is not going to stop the more advanced dumbasses in the world.

[Token]

I will ask this -

With current technology and current research funding and the vast amount of money being given to police forces to purchase military grade equipment, where are the tasers?  This guy could have been subdued the second he began resisting the police.  Why are we not investing in better technology for situations like this?

It's a very basic reason. Tasing you doesn't necessarily mean you will drop your weapon. In most instances that I've seen, being tased causes your body to lock up and causes your grip to clinch. Meaning if you are holding an object, you're going to hold it tighter.  Also, the two prongs in a taser have to make direct contact with skin. Bulky and/or loose clothing will cause the prongs to not penetrate. 

And the average person can close the a 20 foot distance in a matter of seconds, so if I miss with taser, I now have nano seconds to drop taser, pull service weapon and stop you from stabbing or shooting me.

If you have lethal force, I have lethal force.

[WiregrassTiger]

It's a very basic reason. Tasing you doesn't necessarily mean you will drop your weapon. In most instances that I've seen, being tased causes your body to lock up and causes your grip to clinch. Meaning if you are holding an object, you're going to hold it tighter.  Also, the two prongs in a taser have to make direct contact with skin. Bulky and/or loose clothing will cause the prongs to not penetrate. 

And the average person can close the a 20 foot distance in a matter of seconds, so if I miss with taser, I now have nano seconds to drop taser, pull service weapon and stop you from stabbing or shooting me.

If you have lethal force, I have lethal force.

^^He normally doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about but in this instance, he's correct. The average man could be subdued quite easily with being tased. But, take me for example. The taser would do little more than piss me off further.

Granted, there are very few (if any) men of my strength and pain endurance out there but it's better for the officers to be safe than sorry.

[smooth_operator]

I don't have to be a cop to read the article that accompanied the video.
For the tenth time, I'm not defending the guy. He was clearly provoking the cops. He was clearly confrontational. No one really should be surprised when a guy ends up dead after bowing up for the cops daring them to shoot you.

I'm merely playing devil's advocate that there appear to be precautions that were not taken before resorting to shooting this guy nine times from 15 feet away within 15 seconds of getting out of their car.

I'm glad you brought that up.
Since you love it so much it will make you happy to hear that there is scientific, empirical data relating to lost or incorrect recall of high stress situations.
And which precautions were those? Should they have fled? Left the evidently deranged armed man with unarmed civilians? Stayed in the car? Or not responded to the call at all knowing full well some genius on the internet will denigrate them from behind the safety of a keyboard  for dealing with the problem.
If you're curious about the taser
A: the taser is not 100% reliable. You would not stand in front of an armed person with a taser.
B: officers are instructed to not tase people armed with edged weapons because on several occasions they did, that person then fell on their own knife. That's a lawsuit that is hard to win.
Your devils advocacy is painfully ignorant and offensive to me. Those guys did what they were supposed to, no question, and I still have to watch you suggest they're murderers. Evidently we are all constantly in danger because cops are walking the streets just waiting to kill. God knows why they haven't killed us all yet.

[AUChizad]

It's a very basic reason. Tasing you doesn't necessarily mean you will drop your weapon. In most instances that I've seen, being tased causes your body to lock up and causes your grip to clinch. Meaning if you are holding an object, you're going to hold it tighter.  Also, the two prongs in a taser have to make direct contact with skin. Bulky and/or loose clothing will cause the prongs to not penetrate. 

And the average person can close the a 20 foot distance in a matter of seconds, so if I miss with taser, I now have nano seconds to drop taser, pull service weapon and stop you from stabbing or shooting me.

If you have lethal force, I have lethal force.

He had a knife. Not a gun. What would it matter if he tensed up and gripped his knife tighter while he's laying on the ground?

[smooth_operator]

He had a knife. Not a gun. What would it matter if he tensed up and gripped his knife tighter while he's laying on the ground?

I answered that for you

[Token]

He had a knife. Not a gun. What would it matter if he tensed up and gripped his knife tighter while he's laying on the ground?

Well then how do you get it away from him? 

[Token]

I answered that for you

No no. We're going to slowly walk through this. I want to see the rationale behind disarming an aggressive subject armed with a knife, using the most minimum force possible.

[WiregrassTiger]

I think the cops should have ran.

[smooth_operator]

No no. We're going to slowly walk through this. I want to see the rationale behind disarming an aggressive subject armed with a knife, using the most minimum force possible.

I don't have time for that I'm looking to go shoot someone. If I haven't killed someone under a flimsy excuse by 4 I just didn't have a good day.

[Token]

So here we are. Call about a male pacing back and forth in a parking lot with a knife.  Who possibly just committed robbery.  We're on scene, he walks aggressively toward us, screaming to shoot him, holding a knife. You tase him, he's on the ground, laying on his hands that you now can't see.

What now?

[dallaswareagle]

So here we are. Call about a male pacing back and forth in a parking lot with a knife.  Who possibly just committed robbery.  We're on scene, he walks aggressively toward us, screaming to shoot him, holding a knife. You tase him, he's on the ground, laying on his hands that you now can't see.

What now?

Now, shoot him in the back.

[Token]

Now, shoot him in the back.

Wrong. We have to save his life and get him the obvious mental help that he needs.

[smooth_operator]

So here we are. Call about a male pacing back and forth in a parking lot with a knife.  Who possibly just committed robbery.  We're on scene, he walks aggressively toward us, screaming to shoot him, holding a knife. You tase him, he's on the ground, laying on his hands that you now can't see.

What now?

Wait wait wait too fast.
You get a call, pull up on scene. You see a guy there with a knife. He starts charging you immediately, screaming. If you were going to to try taser (if you had one) you would have to effectively communicate it to your partner, holster your duty weapon, draw the taser, announce taser taser, aim, them fire. Assuming you got all that right, and quickly enough  and the guy didn't fall on his own knife, then what

[WiregrassTiger]

I'd like to see you mofos try to take me in.