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Gay Marriage? Sure, If It's Gay Divorce

Gay Marriage? Sure, If It's Gay Divorce
« on: March 11, 2014, 07:33:36 PM »
Newb-lawyer question here -

So Alabama says that same-sex couples are not eligible for marriage.  They aren't even recognized as being married.  However, a gay couple that are established residents in the state of Alabama were married in Iowa in 2012 and now want to get a divorce.  It's mutually agreed upon.  Even split down the middle. 

Could this be used as a loophole?  If Alabama grants them their divorce, Alabama also recognizes that they were married thus making same-sex marriage something that exists. 

http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/03/what_do_you_think_should_alaba.html
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Re: Gay Marriage? Sure, If It's Gay Divorce
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2014, 10:18:46 PM »
It's up to you but I don't recommend taking legal advice re: your divorce from any lawyers that would frequent this place.
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Re: Gay Marriage? Sure, If It's Gay Divorce
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2014, 10:43:23 AM »
Newb-lawyer question here -

So Alabama says that same-sex couples are not eligible for marriage.  They aren't even recognized as being married.  However, a gay couple that are established residents in the state of Alabama were married in Iowa in 2012 and now want to get a divorce.  It's mutually agreed upon.  Even split down the middle. 

Could this be used as a loophole?  If Alabama grants them their divorce, Alabama also recognizes that they were married thus making same-sex marriage something that exists. 

http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/03/what_do_you_think_should_alaba.html

Saw this on the news last night.  The lawyer they had was saying it was highly unlikely that judge would dissolve the marriage for that reason.
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Re: Gay Marriage? Sure, If It's Gay Divorce
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2014, 07:47:33 PM »
The issue would have to be appealed and addressed by the courts.  Even then, however, there is no clear answer, as case law concerning non-uniform marriage laws is murky.  Divorces are an act of a court, and thus divorces are judgments that must be recognized by all states under the Full Faith and Credit clause.  However, because marriages are not the product of judicial proceedings, it can't really be argued that the Full Faith and Credit clause would require that a state recognize a same-sex marriage from another state.

Because the Full Faith and Credit clause hasn't traditionally been held to apply to marriages, non-uniformity between states' marriage laws has been addressed with comity principles and conflict of laws principles.  Courts have generally held that if two citizens of State A get married in State B, but don't reside in State B, then it's an "evasive marriage" with an intent to avoid State A's marriage laws, and so they uphold State A's refusal to recognize the marriage.

If there's no intent to evade, however, then it's a little more difficult to refuse to recognize the marriage.  The most recent restatement on conflict of laws isn't very clear, but based on the older restatements, the state would need a statute on file which states a clear intent to refuse recognition of such marriages, not just a law prohibiting such marriages from forming in their state, and such refusal of recognition would have to be a legitimate public policy interest of the state.

So, a state like Alabama that has an amendment which specifically refuses to recognize same-sex marriages would not have to divorce a same-sex couple that married in another state.  The only remaining question that would have to be addressed is whether prohibiting or refusing to recognize same-sex marriages is a violation of constitutional rights under the Due Process and/or Equal Protection clauses.
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Re: Gay Marriage? Sure, If It's Gay Divorce
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2014, 08:23:51 PM »
Forgot to clarify/conclude that if Alabama has the right to refuse to recognize a same-sex marriage from another state (which they do under current rulings, but may not continue to have that ability depending on the outcome of the constitutional issue), then they do not have to void (divorce) something that they do not recognize.
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