Saybinz Hath Spoken

[The Six]

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/02/alabamas_nick_saban_offers_fir.html

Some selections with translations in bold

When you look at plays that are run, and a team averages 88 plays, and we average 65 at Alabama, that's 20-something plays more a game over a 12-game season, that adds up to four more games a year that guys have to play. I think it's wear and tear and tougher to prepare players when you have to play against a hurry-up offense because of the way you have to practice.

I'm tired of my five stars being busts in the NFL and I'm blaming on having to play A&M and Auburn because it surely can't be the grind my process puts them through.

The second thing is, can officials officiate the game? They're not in position when the ball is snapped, just like defensive players aren't in position when the ball is snapped, so that's a game administration issue that people should probably look into.

Look, we have the league zebras on our side 'cause most of 'em diddy rooted for the Bear and the others we've flat out bought. Now that's a wasted investment if they can't be in position to call bullshit holding plays on a fast team. So somebody best to be fixing that.

Even though there is no scientific data to prove this, there was a study at Virgina Tech in 2003. All right, they did sub-concussive head traumas on eight players for 10 games. Those players played 61 plays a game and had 18 sub-concussive hits in a game, so they played 61 plays a game for 10 games. So, I'm saying if you're playing nose guard, three-technique, defensive end, offensive tackle, offensive guard, if you played 88 plays in a game, there's no scientific evidence but there is some logic that says the guy would have more hits. So, that's a player safety issue that I think people need to sorta look at.


Look, just slow down the game so I can rotate my 22 5 star 275-325 lbers in there so they'll stop transferring because they don't get to play enough.

[Buzz Killington]

Even though there is no scientific data to prove this, there was a study at Virgina Tech in 2003. All right, they did sub-concussive head traumas on eight players for 10 games. Those players played 61 plays a game and had 18 sub-concussive hits in a game, so they played 61 plays a game for 10 games. So, I'm saying if you're playing nose guard, three-technique, defensive end, offensive tackle, offensive guard, if you played 88 plays in a game, there's no scientific evidence but there is some logic that says the guy would have more hits. So, that's a player safety issue that I think people need to sorta look at.

He really said this?

[The Prowler]

He really said this?

Yup.

[The Prowler]

I don't think anybody was trying to change what they do or how they do it, but the fact that they can get on the line and snap it quick, you can't substitute. All right.

But, Auburn didn't have any trouble whatsoever substituting against aTm, even the announcers pointed it out how efficient Auburn was in their substituting and changed out the entire defensive line.

[Townhallsavoy]

The Gary Danielson quote should be the first thing heard at whatever committee they purchase next year for the rule changes. 

Saban's done.  This is the same kind of petulant whining you hear from every generation left behind.  It's no different than an old man starting a rant with "Kids these days" or "back in my day." 

Ok, fine Saban.  Players may only play 50 snaps a game to ensure there are less chances for concussions.  This includes your quarterback.  Have fun. 

[AUChizad]

Also, he don't know why y'all are callin this the Saban rule, a'ight. Wasn't him.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24462351/alabamas-nick-saban-talks-10-second-rule-pace-of-play-issues

Alabama coach Nick Saban and Arkansas' Bret Bielema have been the two coaches most closely associated with the proposed 10-second rule, meant to limit the pace of play for the offense and give defenses an opportunity to substitute between plays.

Saban did not even address the proposal publicly before Steve Spurrier starting calling it "The Saban Rule."

The Crimson Tide head coach broke his silence on Friday, addressing reporters in Columbus, Ga., before speaking to the Georgia Minority Coaches Association. Saban claims that he "had nothing to do" with the 10-second idea and most people discussing the issue "don't have all the facts."

Saban outlined his general philosophy on pace of play in college football by identifying three areas of concern.

via AL.com:

    "I really don't necessarily have an opinion on the 10-second rule. LulWhut? I think there are three issues that need to be researched relative to pace of play, the first being player safety. When you look at plays that are run, and a team averages 88 plays, and we average 65 at Alabama, that's 20-something plays more a game over a 12-game season, that adds up to four more games a year that guys have to play. I think it's wear and tear and tougher to prepare players when you have to play against a hurry-up offense because of the way you have to practice.

    I don't know that there's any particular scientific evidence that you could say, more guys get hurt in this offense versus that one, or hurry-up, or whatever, but everything that we've ever done in the NCAA is about exposure. How many exposures does a player get? We've always tried to limit spring practice, we limit fall camp, we limit the number of days you can hit now. We have acclimation days: so many days in shorts, so many days in shoulder pads. The NFL even limited their practice even more, but really found that they got more guys hurt in the games. The ratio of guys that get hurt in the game is 7 to 1 that guys get hurt in practice. So we're limiting practice, and playing more plays in the game. College football is the only game in the country, of any kind, that the college game is longer than the pro game. And the disparity in plays run is like 59 to 72 in the NFL - 59 for the lowest-average team, 72 for the highest. You know, in college, it's more like 61 and 90. All right, so there's a large disparity. But that's just something that people need to look at.

    The second thing is, can officials officiate the game? They're not in position when the ball is snapped, just like defensive players aren't in position when the ball is snapped, so that's a game administration issue that people should probably look into.

    And the third thing, to me, and the last thing, which is not the most important, I think the first is most important, is there any competitive imbalance created by the pace of play.

    So I think those are all issues that people need to look at. In the NFL, what they did is the officials stand over the ball until the officials are ready to call the game. All right, that's how they control the pace of play. The coach at Philadelphia ran 83 plays a game at Oregon, and ran 65 a game in Philadelphia. So why do they control the pace of play in the NFL? I mean, I'm just asking.

    But anyway, there's just a lot of issues that need to be looked at, but I think the bottom line is, was football intended to be a continuous game?

    Soccer is a continuous game, rugby is a continuous game, but for the physical elements that are involved in playing a football game and the number of plays that you play, I don't know that it was ever intended to be a continuous game."

Saban went on to give background on the creation of the 10-second rule -- apparently involving a study of up-tempo offenses like Oregon, Auburn and Texas A&M -- and address player safety concerns raised by Bret Bielema.

[Buzz Killington]

His twatter was hacked

[Buzz Killington]

It was photoshopped

[Snaggletiger]

"When you look at plays that are run, and a team averages 88 plays, and we average 65 at Alabama, that's 20-something plays more a game over a 12-game season, that adds up to four more games a year that guys have to play. I think it's wear and tear and tougher to prepare players when you have to play against a hurry-up offense because of the way you have to practice."


Yeah, that would be the case if every team on your schedule ran the HUNH....and your defense never stopped any of them.


Dumb ass.

[AU_Tiger_2000]

"When you look at plays that are run, and a team averages 88 plays, and we average 65 at Alabama, that's 20-something plays more a game over a 12-game season, that adds up to four more games a year that guys have to play. I think it's wear and tear and tougher to prepare players when you have to play against a hurry-up offense because of the way you have to practice."


Yeah, that would be the case if every team on your schedule ran the HUNH....and your defense never stopped any of them.


Dumb ass.

So you're saying all of them?

[Snaggletiger]

So you're saying all of them?

Most of them.  More than a few of them.

[bottomfeeder]

He's such a pussy.

[The Prowler]

I'd hate to have Auburn's coach be rediculed across the World.

WKRP:
News reporter guy: "The Terror Level has been raised to Threat Lev..."
News reporter lady: "This just in, uat's HC Nick Saban is a fuckin pussy that knows the only way he can continue to win is if the opposing offenses has to line up and run straight at his 1,200lb Defensive Line and his 1,200lb Linebackers...back to you Bert."

[wesfau2]

Don't know if he coined it, but saw Will Collier calling the pro-slow duo "Bert and Squirt."

[AUChizad]

Can't believe no one's mentioned this asshattery.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10552938/nick-saban-alabama-crimson-tide-says-pace-play-bears-closer-look

Saban: Pace of play needs review
Updated: March 4, 2014, 11:26 PM ET
By Chris Low | ESPN.com

Alabama's Nick Saban isn't taking credit for the "10-second rule" that's scheduled to be voted on Thursday by the NCAA playing rules oversight panel, but he is adamant that the pace of play in college football bears a closer look as it relates to player safety.

"I don't care about getting blamed for this. That's part of it," Saban told ESPN.com. "But I do think that somebody needs to look at this very closely.

"The fastball guys (up-tempo coaches) say there's no data out there, and I guess you have to use some logic. What's the logic? If you smoke one cigarette, do you have the same chances of getting cancer if you smoke 20? I guess there's no study that specifically says that. But logically, we would say, 'Yeah, there probably is.'"

The proposed 10-second rule would penalize teams for snapping the ball in the first 10 seconds of the 40-second clock.

Only 25 of the nation's 128 FBS head coaches are in favor of the proposal, according to a survey conducted by ESPN's Brett McMurphy.

Of the 25 in favor, only 11 are coaches at "power five" conference schools (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC, plus Notre Dame). Of the 128 coaches overall, 73 percent (93) are opposed to the proposal while 19.5 percent (25 coaches) are in favor of it. Seven percent (nine coaches) are undecided.

While an outpouring of coaches have said there's no evidence that player safety is compromised by speeding up the tempo and generating more plays in the game, at least one noted neurosurgeon is genuinely concerned about the length of the college game now and the number of snaps some teams are playing.

Dr. Julian Bailes has been around the game for more than 30 years. He's the chairman of the Department of Neurosurgery and co-director of the NorthShore Neurological Institute in Evanston, Ill.

"I think it's not accurate when people say we have to study this because we don't have any evidence or know anything about it," Bailes said. "I don't think that's true. I think we have some facts and do know something about it. Now, we probably should study it more. But to say we don't know anything about this is disingenuous and inaccurate."

In particular, Bailes points out that studies have shown that players are seven times more at risk to be injured in games than in practice.

"If you play more snaps, you're going to have more exposure. I think that's a fact," said Bailes, who's been a consultant for the NFL Players Association and an advisor to the NCAA. "It bears very serious consideration on whether the game should be slowed down or have fewer plays if you believe exposure equals injury risk or player safety.

"We know if you play another 20 to 25 snaps a game, you're going to have more exposure to all injuries, and you're going to have more potential for concussions, and you're going to have more blows to the head, whether they call them concussions or not."

Saban, whose Crimson Tide have won three of the last five national championships, has been a lightning rod ever since it was revealed that he addressed the NCAA football rules committee last month in Indianapolis. He's on record as saying that he doesn't think football should necessarily be a continuous game. He'd like to see the officials dictate the pace of the game more so than offenses, similar to what happens in the NFL.

Arizona coach Rich Rodriguez recently made fun of the proposed 10-second rule in a YouTube video that spoofs the movie "Speed."

"Let's not distort the facts because of your personal agenda," Rodriguez said.

Clemson's Dabo Swinney said the rule "makes no sense" and added that to "hide behind player safety is wrong because it's just not factual."

Saban hasn't backed down. He said he'll adjust regardless of what the rules are, but maintains that the increasing pace of play in college football logically lends itself to more injuries. He also points out that the NFL has done a better of job controlling the pace.

"I always go back to what they do in the NFL because they spend millions of dollars to figure out what's best for the game," Saban said.

In 2013, the highest average number of plays being run per game in college football was 90. In the NFL, the highest average number of plays being run was 72.

Moreover, Chip Kelly's Oregon offenses in 2012 averaged 83 plays per game. With the same offensive philosophy, Kelly's Philadelphia Eagles' offense last season ran an average of 65 plays per game.

"Our game's getting to where it's not about blocking and tackling," Saban said. "It's about how fast can we go so they can't get lined up. Is that what we want the game to be?

"But let's not forget the issue here. The issue I'm arguing for is the increased number of exposures, the player safety issue. I don't see how logically it can't be, but we should at least do a study to find out. I guess the question is: How do we manage it in the meantime? Do we let them keep going, or do we slow them down?"

Air Force coach Troy Calhoun, the NCAA football rules chairman, declined to comment Tuesday through his school's spokesman. But a source close to the committee told ESPN.com that Saban's comments to the committee last month were confined to player safety and the administration of the game by the officials.

"The 10-second rule was not Nick's idea," the source said. "By the time he came into the room, the committee had already discussed and covered that topic. He talked about the likelihood of more plays leading to more injuries."

Also, that same source told ESPN.com that a similar proposal was on the table last year to slow the pace of play, a proposal that would have established a defined period of time in which the ball couldn't have been snapped following a first down.

"One of the charges has been that this came out of left field, that nobody had ever heard about it," the source said. "A similar proposal last year failed on a tie vote. It was basically the same thing, but doing it after a made first down."

Saban thinks there's something fundamentally wrong with college players being asked to play more plays in a game than NFL players. He wouldn't be opposed to college football following the NFL's lead and no longer stopping the clock after first downs, although that's a change that wouldn't be possible until the 2015 season.

"I think that would shrink the game some," Saban said. "Everybody's trying to characterize what I'm trying to say and crawl into my head, but I can't emphasize enough that the player safety issue is what's at issue here."

Bailes, who's also the medical director for Pop Warner Football in the United States, would like to see just as much emphasis placed on reducing exposures in games as practice.

"We work hard at the Pop Warner level and right on through the professional level to reduce unnecessary contact in practice, so I don't know how you can focus on reducing unnecessary contact in practice, but on the other hand, increase it in games by having more plays and not think that you're going to have less player safety," Bailes said.

What's even more fascinating are the ESPN talking heads (Bomani Jones, David Pollack to name a few) that are pretending that Saban made any sense whatsoever. A lot of "Well, he DOES have a point. That IS sound logic" etc. etc.
 

[Godfather]

Can't believe no one's mentioned this asshattery.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10552938/nick-saban-alabama-crimson-tide-says-pace-play-bears-closer-look
What's even more fascinating are the ESPN talking heads (Bomani Jones, David Pollack to name a few) that are pretending that Saban made any sense whatsoever. A lot of "Well, he DOES have a point. That IS sound logic" etc. etc.
 

I have come to the realization that you might as well call ESPN ...SSPN as in Saban.  They have their collective noses shoved so far up his ass that they know what he is having for dinner before his stomach does.

[Snaggletiger]

The problem(s) I have with this whole thing is that no one had an issue with the HUNH until Lord Saybinz decided he didn't like it.  Maybe I missed it but I don't recall hearing one word about it from anyone, not the media, not the so-called experts, not other coaches, not the fans...nobody had a problem with it.  Now, because Lord Saybinz decides he has a problem with it, it's been the hottest topic in sports for the last few weeks and suddenly, the analysts and experts act like "Yeah, this really needs to be addressed."

And like I said before, LS makes the completely assenine statement that when you add up the average number of plays a HUNH team runs versus the average of plays his 5*'s run, it adds up to playing 4 extra games a year when multiplied over a 12 game season.  You fucking dumbass.  There were only two, maybe three teams on his schedule that run the HUNH.  And it's your damn fault if you allow every HUNH team to slam it down your throat with 10-12 play drives every time they get the ball.  Get a 3 and out and your defense comes off the field. 

I don't think this will pass but the very fact that they're even considering it is mind boggling. 

[The Six]

From the Twitters

‏@AlexS_ESPN  24m
Saban on the perception of him pushing an agenda: "Everyone seems to know what I think ... without ever talking to me."

@AlexS_ESPN  25m
Saban on the proposed 10 second rule: "I don't think we need an advantage. ... We've been playing better than most."

 

[noxin]

The fastball guys (up-tempo coaches) say there's no data out there, and I guess you have to use some logic. What's the logic? If you smoke one cigarette, do you have the same chances of getting cancer if you smoke 20? I guess there's no study that specifically says that. But logically, we would say, 'Yeah, there probably is.

Seems like a good comparison to me.  Sure, smoking can lead to cancer, but that doesn't mean I can't run right down to the Kangaroo and buy a pack of smokes to kill myself if I choose to.

[Buzz Killington]

Seems like a good comparison to me.  Sure, smoking can lead to cancer, but that doesn't mean I can't run right down to the Kangaroo and buy a pack of smokes to kill myself if I choose to.

But if you had a 10 second waiting period, you could save your own life.  Don't you people see the compassion in that guy's actions?