I have some Obamacare Questions

[AUTailgatingRules]

1.  How many of the supposed 4 million that have signed up so far were the people that were kicked off their old insurance

2.  If we are only going to sign up 5- 6 million people, what are we going to do with the other 25 million who remain uninsured?  ( 30 million is the number I kept hearing were previously uninsured)

3.  If Obamacare only insures 5-6 million people and costs $1.5 trillion, why did we not just buy insurance for these people and leave the system alone ( would have been much cheaper)

4.  Of the $4 million that have signed up so far, how many have actually paid.

5.  6.5 million people lost their old insurance and 4 million have signed up for Obamacare, are we not 2.5 million in the hole?

[CCTAU]

Maths. It's whats for dinner!

[Townhallsavoy]

I don't know the answers to your questions, but I believe Wes was fairly knowledgeable about Obamacare.  Maybe he'll show up.

It seems to me like we're setting up a future of socialized medicine, which in my opinion, is the best option of the three.

[Vandy Vol]

It seems to me like we're setting up a future of socialized medicine, which in my opinion, is the best option of the three.

The founding fathers never intended for you to have socialized medicine.  I visited the Supreme Court building and Moses told me that personally.

[WiregrassTiger]

1.  How many of the supposed 4 million that have signed up so far were the people that were kicked off their old insurance

2.  If we are only going to sign up 5- 6 million people, what are we going to do with the other 25 million who remain uninsured?  ( 30 million is the number I kept hearing were previously uninsured)

3.  If Obamacare only insures 5-6 million people and costs $1.5 trillion, why did we not just buy insurance for these people and leave the system alone ( would have been much cheaper)

4.  Of the $4 million that have signed up so far, how many have actually paid.

5.  6.5 million people lost their old insurance and 4 million have signed up for Obamacare, are we not 2.5 million in the hole?

My answer to all 5 is that this is a bigger failure than anyone could have imagined and is only a good thing for people that want us to become even more socialized. We are socialist. Many of us hate the idea and are reticent in admitting it.

[GH2001]

I just want my free shit

Where it be?

[dallaswareagle]

My answer to all 5 is that this is a bigger failure than anyone could have imagined and is only a good thing for people that want us to become even more socialized. We are socialist. Many of us hate the idea and are reticent in admitting it.

You will never hear that from the MSM. Never Ever.

[AU_Tiger_2000]

My answer to all 5 is that this is a bigger failure than anyone could have imagined and is only a good thing for people that want us to become even more socialized. We are socialist. Many of us hate the idea and are reticent in admitting it.

It's not a failure.  A failure would imply that the results are not what the people who put this into place wanted.  Less people are paying into private insurance and are relying on the government.  Next step will be to de-privatize hospitals, medical research, and pharmaceuticals in order to control costs so that more people can afford health care.

[dallaswareagle]

It's not a failure.  A failure would imply that the results are not what the people who put this into place wanted.  Less people are paying into private insurance and are relying on the government.  Next step will be to de-privatize hospitals, medical research, and pharmaceuticals in order to control costs so that more people can afford health care.

And less people can pay more.

[AUChizad]

I don't know the answers to your questions, but I believe Wes was fairly knowledgeable about Obamacare.  Maybe he'll show up.

It seems to me like we're setting up a future of socialized medicine, which in my opinion, is the best option of the three.

I too would like to hear Wes opine.

I know everyone's expecting me to defend it since you've all decided I'm the pinko lib'ruhl hippie, but in actuality I consistently oppose big government programs like this.

The only difference you will see from me is I'm not rooting for its total collapse just because I don't think it's the best way to go about healthcare reform. I am able to empathize with people who needed coverage that truly were unable to get it, and recognize the need for some kind of reform. If the ACA truly made healthcare more affordable to more people and extended coverage to people who previously could not get coverage (i.e. people with preexisting conditions) without all the problems we're seeing, I'd be all for it, even if it meant me being wrong about it.

Because of this, I'd genuinely like to hear a rational argument that it's not the total failure I currently believe it to be.

[AUTailgatingRules]

I too would like to hear Wes opine.

I know everyone's expecting me to defend it since you've all decided I'm the pinko lib'ruhl hippie, but in actuality I consistently oppose big government programs like this.

The only difference you will see from me is I'm not rooting for its total collapse just because I don't think it's the best way to go about healthcare reform. I am able to empathize with people who needed coverage that truly were unable to get it, and recognize the need for some kind of reform. If the ACA truly made healthcare more affordable to more people and extended coverage to people who previously could not get coverage (i.e. people with preexisting conditions) without all the problems we're seeing, I'd be all for it, even if it meant me being wrong about it.

Because of this, I'd genuinely like to hear a rational argument that it's not the total failure I currently believe it to be.

It has never been about affordable health care for people that truly can not afford it.  Those people get put on medicaid.

It's about GIVING health care to the lower middle class and middle class that because of bad decisions, can not afford health care. 

How many people that were belly aching about not being able to afford health care owned a cell phone? How many had cable TV and Netflix accounts?   How many had more car than they could afford?

The reason they could not afford health insurance is because they CHOSE not to.  To those people, I say tough shit when you get hit with big medical bills.

This has always been about control.  The more we promise people, the more they become reliant on big government, the more free stuff we give them, the more they keep voting for us.  It is about maintaining power, pure and simple.

Just look at what they are running on now.  $10.10 minimum wage.  Give them a raise and they will vote for us.  Truly pitiful   

[WiregrassTiger]

I know everyone's expecting me to defend it since you've all decided I'm the pinko lib'ruhl hippie, but in actuality I consistently oppose big government programs

This is the only reason I haven't sent one of my guys (Guido) to see you. There is still hope for you. Not much, but some.

[CCTAU]

The reason they could not afford health insurance is because they CHOSE not to.  To those people, I say tough shit when you get hit with big medical bills.

This. They kept floating around the 45 million number, which was BS. Of those, many made over 75,000 a year, but CHOSE to spend their money elsewhere while taking advantage of programs like Peach care (GA) for their children.

So when you boil it down, maybe 30 million. Ans what is 30 million of 300 million?


So for 10% of the country, you screw the other 90%.

There's your reform right there!

[Vandy Vol]

It has never been about affordable health care for people that truly can not afford it.  Those people get put on medicaid.

If you're single, under 65, and make $18,000 a year, you're not eligible for Medicaid, but at the same time not likely to be able to afford insurance.

Not defending ACA, just pointing out that not all people incapable of affording insurance on their own can turn to Medicaid.

[CCTAU]

If you're single, under 65, and make $18,000 a year, you're not eligible for Medicaid, but at the same time not likely to be able to afford insurance.

Not defending ACA, just pointing out that not all people incapable of affording insurance on their own can turn to Medicaid.

AND not likely to choose to get it under obummer care either!

[Vandy Vol]

AND not likely to choose to get it under obummer care either!

Probably not, considering that the penalty for doing so in 2014 is 1% or $95 per person, whichever is higher.  So they could pay a $180 penalty, or insurance premiums for the year.  But should they decide that they want insurance, the ACA gives them credits to lower the monthly cost.  Those credits are unfortunately from other taxpayers, but still, if the person earning $18,000 wanted insurance, they have a better chance of being able to get it under ACA than they did previously.

[Saniflush]

There's your reform right there!

We ought to get us some of that reform.

[CCTAU]

We ought to get us some of that reform.

You don't say much, friend, but when you do it's to the point and I salute you for it.

[AUTailgatingRules]

If you're single, under 65, and make $18,000 a year, you're not eligible for Medicaid, but at the same time not likely to be able to afford insurance.

Not defending ACA, just pointing out that not all people incapable of affording insurance on their own can turn to Medicaid.

Still most limey to have a cell phone, cable T.V, smoke cigs,  ETC that could be dropped in order to afford coverage.  A person in that situation really only needs catastrophic coverage which up until Obamacare was very cheap.

[AUTailgatingRules]

  Those credits are unfortunately from other taxpayers, but still, if the person earning $18,000 wanted insurance, they have a better chance of being able to get it under ACA than they did previously.

I'll help pay their premiums when I am allowed to look into their financed and make the changes needed n order to budget what what they truly can afford.  If I can not find the money in their budget by canceling luxury items that are not needed, I will help on the insurance side.

Again, this person is still uninsured under Obamacare so why the hell is it all for?