Let's Solve some problems ( Conservative vs Progressive)

[AUTailgatingRules]

With football in the silly season, let's solve some real problems.  Since we seem to have a board full of progressives constantly telling us old codgers to wake up and evolve, let's examine some problems and the solutions to said problems.

Problem # 1:  Poverty in the African American/White/and hispanic communities

Opine

[Kaos]

With football in the silly season, let's solve some real problems.  Since we seem to have a board full of progressives constantly telling us old codgers to wake up and evolve, let's examine some problems and the solutions to said problems.

Problem # 1:  Poverty in the African American/White/and hispanic communities

Opine

Education.

Done.

But it has to be relevant education.  All should learn basics of history/science/geography/math.  On that platform, skills training -- employable skills -- should follow.

And oh, repeal NAFTA.  We can't continue to let US companies move living wage jobs to Mexico in the name of $8 sneakers at Wal Mart. 

That's the biggest problem in my opinion.  When I grew up small towns thrived.  Each of them had its own niche -- Westinghouse Plant, Fruit of the Loom, Muffler Plant, whatever where people with less education (or ability to be educated) could get work, provide for their families and make a living wage.  Those jobs are now mostly overseas.  Because we want to pay $7 for a three-pack of Hanes tighty whiteys at the Wal Marks instead of the $10 it would cost of those were manufactured in the US.  Take a ride up Highway 43 from Mobile to Muscle Shoals. Look at all the dead and dying small towns along the way.  Where do the people who used to populate those dried up areas -- and their kids -- go when the local jobs dry up? No skills, no hope.  THOSE are the jobs 'Merica needs, not the hot-air "we created 57,000 new jobs" horse manure Obama spreads in his phony teleprompter speeches.

[CCTAU]

Education.

Done.

But it has to be relevant education.  All should learn basics of history/science/geography/math.  On that platform, skills training -- employable skills -- should follow.

And oh, repeal NAFTA.  We can't continue to let US companies move living wage jobs to Mexico in the name of $8 sneakers at Wal Mart. 

That's the biggest problem in my opinion.  When I grew up small towns thrived.  Each of them had its own niche -- Westinghouse Plant, Fruit of the Loom, Muffler Plant, whatever where people with less education (or ability to be educated) could get work, provide for their families and make a living wage.  Those jobs are now mostly overseas.  Because we want to pay $7 for a three-pack of Hanes tighty whiteys at the Wal Marks instead of the $10 it would cost of those were manufactured in the US.  Take a ride up Highway 43 from Mobile to Muscle Shoals. Look at all the dead and dying small towns along the way.  Where do the people who used to populate those dried up areas -- and their kids -- go when the local jobs dry up? No skills, no hope.  THOSE are the jobs 'Merica needs, not the hot-air "we created 57,000 new jobs" horse manure Obama spreads in his phony teleprompter speeches.

Well. that and the fact that we have the highest corporate taxes in the world. But hey, make them rich bastards pay!


Bring back vocational schools and after 10 grade, choose a route; college or work.

[AUTailgatingRules]

Education.

Done.

But it has to be relevant education.  All should learn basics of history/science/geography/math.  On that platform, skills training -- employable skills -- should follow.

And oh, repeal NAFTA.  We can't continue to let US companies move living wage jobs to Mexico in the name of $8 sneakers at Wal Mart. 

That's the biggest problem in my opinion.  When I grew up small towns thrived.  Each of them had its own niche -- Westinghouse Plant, Fruit of the Loom, Muffler Plant, whatever where people with less education (or ability to be educated) could get work, provide for their families and make a living wage.  Those jobs are now mostly overseas.  Because we want to pay $7 for a three-pack of Hanes tighty whiteys at the Wal Marks instead of the $10 it would cost of those were manufactured in the US.  Take a ride up Highway 43 from Mobile to Muscle Shoals. Look at all the dead and dying small towns along the way.  Where do the people who used to populate those dried up areas -- and their kids -- go when the local jobs dry up? No skills, no hope.  THOSE are the jobs 'Merica needs, not the hot-air "we created 57,000 new jobs" horse manure Obama spreads in his phony teleprompter speeches.

No mention of the 2 parent family?  Odds of poverty in a 2 parent household are significantly less than in a 1 parent household. 

[Kaos]

No mention of the 2 parent family?  Odds of poverty in a 2 parent household are significantly less than in a 1 parent household.

Education will help that. 

I didn't want to start a race war, anyway.  I forget the numbers but a significant majority of black children are born out of wedlock and an even higher majority live in a single parent home. 

Given the other hysterical rants spewing from the ultra privileged libs, I didn't figure that was a can of worms anybody wanted opened.

[Kaos]

Well. that and the fact that we have the highest corporate taxes in the world. But hey, make them rich bastards pay!

It's the socialist ideal.  It's generated by people who've never done an actual day of work in their lives.  And by work I mean actual labor. 

Far too many people today go to school, get a job/car/house where they produce nothing, create nothing and generate nothing.  They've never really had to think for themselves, to figure out day to day where the next meal comes from, to work hard for little pay.  People don't put in dues.  Then they try to make rules for all of those who do.  To "help" them.  They're as oblivious  as Mortimer and Louis.  No clue how the world works at a base level. 

I've got friends like that. High school, college, grad school, job at a school teaching.  Never left that pampered environment. And they're the first to try to lecture me on curing social ills.  Pffffttttt.  They'd last 23 seconds in a zombie apocalypse.  What's more astounding is their complete ignorance of just how vapid and ill-informed their positions often are.  Seen some of that around here lately.

Got a friend who has a business degree and then went back and got a masters in something else. He's always giving me "book advice" on how to run my business.  I get better insight from the guy who cuts the grass.

Not saying you have to starve to understand hunger, or steal to understand crime.  But "research" can be a poor substitute. 

[AUChizad]

Not to bust up this "fuck hippies" rally, but I agree that the two best ways to eradicate poverty in America are to focus on family and education.

The only way we differ from what I can tell is that some of your definitions of "education" differ greatly the generally accepted one, as evidenced in many of these other threads. Teaching kids to proficiently use computers, for example is not a sign of Revelations. And it would not be beneficial to teach them that Moses rode dinosaurs either.

As far as the family thing, I'm with you, but how do you legislate that? Make divorce illegal? Systematically abort children born out of wedlock? That's more of a long-term cultural thing than anything that can be changed by passing laws.

[Kaos]

Not to bust up this "fudge hippies" rally, but I agree that the two best ways to eradicate poverty in America are to focus on family and education.

The only way we differ from what I can tell is that some of your definitions of "education" differ greatly the generally accepted one, as evidenced in many of these other threads. Teaching kids to proficiently use computers, for example is not a sign of Revelations. And it would not be beneficial to teach them that Moses rode dinosaurs either.

As far as the family thing, I'm with you, but how do you legislate that? Make divorce illegal? Systematically abort children born out of wedlock? That's more of a long-term cultural thing than anything that can be changed by passing laws.

This is why you can't be taken seriously.

[AUTailgatingRules]

As far as the family thing, I'm with you, but how do you legislate that? Make divorce illegal? Systematically abort children born out of wedlock? That's more of a long-term cultural thing than anything that can be changed by passing laws.

You have to first remove the benefits that foster the type of behavior you don't want to encourage.  By continuously offering more and more endless government assistance to women who procreate outside of marriage, you do nothing more than encourage the behavior.

Until you are willing as a progressive to show some tough love and make these types of people live with their poor decisions, you will continue to get the same poor decisions.

Until you are willing to take a long look at the erosion of the religious foundations of this country which encourage behaviors such as marriage (is is a religious institution) you will continue to get the results you are currently getting.

[AUChizad]

You have to first remove the benefits that foster the type of behavior you don't want to encourage.  By continuously offering more and more endless government assistance to women who procreate outside of marriage, you do nothing more than encourage the behavior.

Until you are willing as a progressive to show some tough love and make these types of people live with their poor decisions, you will continue to get the same poor decisions.

I don't know how many times I have to say I am generally opposed to government assistance programs (within reasonable limits) before it sinks in with you people.

Until you are willing to take a long look at the erosion of the religious foundations of this country which encourage behaviors such as marriage (is is a religious institution) you will continue to get the results you are currently getting.

Christians don't divorce? Or have children out of wedlock, even?

[CCTAU]

I don't know how many times I have to say I am generally opposed to government assistance programs (within reasonable limits) before it sinks in with you people.
Christians don't divorce? Or have children out of wedlock, even?

As long as they pay for their own kids, that is between them and God!

[AUTailgatingRules]

Christians don't divorce? Or have children out of wedlock, even?

Of course they do.  However the progressive anti religion stance has been chipping away a the stigma of divorce and single parenthood for the last 30 - 40 years.  You would have to be blind not to see that.

When I was in high school, if you got pregnant, you basically went into hiding until the baby was born.  Today they have reality shows and contests with each other on which teen can get pregnant the fastest. 

Teaching abstinence is considered a ridiculous concept.  Progressives want to teach sex ed as early as elementary school.

No christian should ever claim to be perfect but the values of the church absolutely foster healthier family situations vs the secular world of todays progressives.

[CCTAU]

Of course they do.  However the progressive anti religion stance has been chipping away a the stigma of divorce and single parenthood for the last 30 - 40 years.  You would have to be blind not to see that.

When I was in high school, if you got pregnant, you basically went into hiding until the baby was born.  Today they have reality shows and contests with each other on which teen can get pregnant the fastest. 

Teaching abstinence is considered a ridiculous concept.  Progressives want to teach sex ed as early as elementary school.

No christian should ever claim to be perfect but the values of the church absolutely foster healthier family situations vs the secular world of todays progressives.

Quit judging!

[Townhallsavoy]

I think eventually we have to separate culture from race and attack the true problems at the source. 

[Token]

I think eventually we have to separate culture from race and attack the true problems at the source.

Honestly....how can you? Or anyone?

[Tiger Wench]

Honestly....how can you? Or anyone?

[Townhallsavoy]

Honestly....how can you? Or anyone?

Stop giving people a pass for their behavior and their values if their behavior and values inhibit them from improving their communities. 

It's impossible, I know.  But when you're trying to reach people who are trying to live out what their music conveys, you're going to fail.  Telling a black boy at age 16 that staying in school to become an accountant or a grocery store manager is impossible when he's been dreaming all of his life of living out the wild and unrealistic fantasies put forth by the only music that's been geared towards his demographic. 

To add some more examples -

Convincing a Mexican girl to not have unprotected sex at age 15 because she should try to go to college to make something of herself is impossible when her family at home is not only accepting but celebratory of getting pregnant and starting a family at such a young age. 

Convincing Billy Bob Joe that he should strive to move out of the trailer park is impossible when his whole life has been centered around drinking cold beer as a legit hobby. 

Poverty can also come in forms besides money.  Convincing the 27 year old lawyer that being manipulative and greedy isn't the best lifestyle when his upbringing was in a house of people who stepped on everyone they could to get to the top is impossible. 

When we say let's "fix" poverty, we're saying that everyone should have an enriching and fulfilling life with disposable income, a high quality education, and committed relationships in a safe neighborhood that values and cultivates a close-knit community.  Isn't that what we want for everyone? 

It's impossible.  No school program or government funded charity or privatized project or church ministry is going to fix the poverty problem unless those impoverished come to the realization that their lifestyle is one of the biggest contributors to their status. 

[Snaggletiger]

Honestly....how can you? Or anyone?

I don't know why everyone's tryin' to lose weight in the first place! Ain't everybody supposed to be the same size, we're supposed to be all different. Big, small, medium, midgets, you're supposed to have all that. Everyone wants to be the same size now, like that Oprah Winfrey; she went and lost her weight, when nothin' was wrong with her, she was fine! Oprah was a fox! She lost all that weight, head lookin' all big, skin hangin' all over. And Luther Vandross. Nigga used to be the black Pavarotti. Lost all that weight, lookin' all ashy. Oprah and Luther need to keep their asses one way, 'cause I'm confused.

[Vandy Vol]

Telling a black boy at age 16 that staying in school to become an accountant or a grocery store manager is impossible when he's been dreaming all of his life of living out the wild and unrealistic fantasies put forth by the only music that's been geared towards his demographic.

When I grow up, I want to be a big bootied flying alien of gigantic proportions.

[Snaggletiger]

Turn around, stick it out. Show the world you got a bubble butt