Let's Solve some problems ( Conservative vs Progressive)

[CCTAU]

Stop giving people a pass for their behavior and their values if their behavior and values inhibit them from improving their communities. 

It's impossible, I know.  But when you're trying to reach people who are trying to live out what their music conveys, you're going to fail.  Telling a black boy at age 16 that staying in school to become an accountant or a grocery store manager is impossible when he's been dreaming all of his life of living out the wild and unrealistic fantasies put forth by the only music that's been geared towards his demographic. 

To add some more examples -

Convincing a Mexican girl to not have unprotected sex at age 15 because she should try to go to college to make something of herself is impossible when her family at home is not only accepting but celebratory of getting pregnant and starting a family at such a young age. 

Convincing Billy Bob Joe that he should strive to move out of the trailer park is impossible when his whole life has been centered around drinking cold beer as a legit hobby. 

Poverty can also come in forms besides money.  Convincing the 27 year old lawyer that being manipulative and greedy isn't the best lifestyle when his upbringing was in a house of people who stepped on everyone they could to get to the top is impossible. 

When we say let's "fix" poverty, we're saying that everyone should have an enriching and fulfilling life with disposable income, a high quality education, and committed relationships in a safe neighborhood that values and cultivates a close-knit community.  Isn't that what we want for everyone? 

It's impossible.  No school program or government funded charity or privatized project or church ministry is going to fix the poverty problem unless those impoverished come to the realization that their lifestyle is one of the biggest contributors to their status.

As soon as you try to address it, you will be called racist or hater or you know, you just don't understand. Its a black thang. Or a country thang. The NAACP will be out to get your. ACLU will be throwing suits around.

even after almost 50 years, we still get that tests are geared toward rich white people.
I thought we all agreed two apples and two apples is four apples. Yet we still have groups that do nothing but keep certain levels of society on the bottom.

And this is nothing new. It is human nature. Look at the military. Enlisted vs. officers.

You would think that an enlisted man would strive to reach the levels of the officer. They have better everything. But no, its like as an enlisted man, if you even think about becoming and officer, you get berated by your peers. I had this conversation many times with my son. He agreed but said there wasn't no way he was becoming no pu**y officer.

So I guess its human nature to stay where you are comfortable and try to tear down anyone who is perceived to be higher than you.

And to change that mindset is damn near impossible....

[Kaos]

When we say let's "fix" poverty, we're saying that everyone should have an enriching and fulfilling life with disposable income, a high quality education, and committed relationships in a safe neighborhood that values and cultivates a close-knit community.  Isn't that what we want for everyone

Nope. It's not what we want. We want everyone to have that opportunity.

And we are way past that now.

[GH2001]

Stop giving people a pass for their behavior and their values if their behavior and values inhibit them from improving their communities. 

It's impossible, I know.  But when you're trying to reach people who are trying to live out what their music conveys, you're going to fail.  Telling a black boy at age 16 that staying in school to become an accountant or a grocery store manager is impossible when he's been dreaming all of his life of living out the wild and unrealistic fantasies put forth by the only music that's been geared towards his demographic. 

To add some more examples -

Convincing a Mexican girl to not have unprotected sex at age 15 because she should try to go to college to make something of herself is impossible when her family at home is not only accepting but celebratory of getting pregnant and starting a family at such a young age. 

Convincing Billy Bob Joe that he should strive to move out of the trailer park is impossible when his whole life has been centered around drinking cold beer as a legit hobby. 

Poverty can also come in forms besides money.  Convincing the 27 year old lawyer that being manipulative and greedy isn't the best lifestyle when his upbringing was in a house of people who stepped on everyone they could to get to the top is impossible. 

When we say let's "fix" poverty, we're saying that everyone should have an enriching and fulfilling life with disposable income, a high quality education, and committed relationships in a safe neighborhood that values and cultivates a close-knit community.  Isn't that what we want for everyone? 

It's impossible.  No school program or government funded charity or privatized project or church ministry is going to fix the poverty problem unless those impoverished come to the realization that their lifestyle is one of the biggest contributors to their status.

Agree with it all.

And it's all summed up in one word: Accountability.

It's hard to look in the mirror and admit that what you see is the main issue and that what is seen is where it starts and ends ultimately.

We've become a country where no one is held accountable. Citizens and the govt. This is a large part of the issue. It has to start with the man in the mirror and throwing money at it only prolongs and makes it worse.

Accountability. Blame where it's due. Credit where it's due.

[CCTAU]

Agree with it all.

And it's all summed up in one word: Accountability.

It's hard to look in the mirror and admit that what you see is the main issue and that what is seen is where it starts and ends ultimately.

We've become a country where no one is held accountable. Citizens and the govt. This is a large part of the issue. It has to start with the man in the mirror and throwing money at it only prolongs and makes it worse.

Accountability. Blame where it's due. Credit where it's due.

Accountability is a thing of the past. When your own government spends billions convincing all minorities that they were born underprivileged and it was somebody else's fault, there can be no accountability.

Every child in this nation is afforded and opportunity for a education. Yes, your environment plays a part of that.  But you cannot force everyone to take advantage of the opportunities. You can only provide it.

Of course that opportunity now comes with the same indoctrination mentioned above.

I am a huge proponent of vouchers. Vouchers would help the poor more than any amount of money thrown at underprivileged areas.

[Kaos]

Accountability is a thing of the past. When your own government spends billions convincing all minorities that they were born underprivileged and it was somebody else's fault, there can be no accountability.

Every child in this nation is afforded and opportunity for a education. Yes, your environment plays a part of that.  But you cannot force everyone to take advantage of the opportunities. You can only provide it.

Of course that opportunity now comes with the same indoctrination mentioned above.

I am a huge proponent of vouchers. Vouchers would help the poor more than any amount of money thrown at underprivileged areas.

The problem is that baiters like Jesse and Al have helped convince people that equal opportunity isn't enough.  We must have equal outcome.  And that's never going to happen. Since the dawn of time there have been people who have and people who don't (for any number of valid and not-so-valid reasons).  Despite the socialist utopia some would have you believe is a reality, there will never be equal outcome. And the cries of oppression will ring on.

Saw a huge ESPN thing on the n-word.  Found it interesting that the ONLY people who have a problem with it are those between the ages of 25 and 55.  Older people used it as part of everyday speech and it has little impact.  Younger people don't see the big deal.  It's a big thing to guilty white people and only after years of having it hammered in their heads by the jesses and als.