Super Bowl Predictions Thread

Kaos · « **Reply #40 on:** February 03, 2014, 03:18:46 PM »

National narrative today:

Peyton is a big game choker. How can you possibly rate him among the "greatest of all time" when he's not even close to the greatest of this generation (Brady according to what I heard all day).

I don't know if I buy that completely. Brady is a little AJ-ey to me. He's in a good system that doesn't require him to win games. Don't misunderstand, Brady's got eleventy billion times more talent than Douche McToot, but I sort of see the winning as being a product of the original Saban (Dour Bill from Frozenville).

Also have always found it funny that "Saban" isn't even an original creation. He's mirroring Bill all the way down to the stupid comments, the facial expressions and pissy attitude. He's not even himself, it's all a SNL skit.

Saniflush · « **Reply #41 on:** February 03, 2014, 03:20:39 PM »

With a cast overhaul?

AUChizad · « **Reply #42 on:** February 03, 2014, 03:22:00 PM »

Quote from: Saniflush on February 03, 2014, 03:20:39 PM

With a cast overhaul?

That's Seattle, unfortunately for other teams in the NFC. They'll be around a while.

GH2001 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 03, 2014, 03:40:47 PM »

And I'm not trying to defend manning at any cost but he was getting harassed like a white guy in Harlem. And we know he can't run from pressure. That said, he was not good regardless. Neither was his OL, the WRs, special teams or the D. It was awful. Just a total team failure for Denver.

Godfather · « **Reply #44 on:** February 03, 2014, 04:00:21 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on February 03, 2014, 02:58:30 PM

Fuckin shit Manning and the Broncos looked clueless as fuck. Real hard to argue against K' assessment of Manning at this point

Still disagree. He is still one of the greats, and I would still take him over 95% of the current QBs around.

Kaos · « **Reply #45 on:** February 03, 2014, 04:07:38 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on February 03, 2014, 04:00:21 PM

Still disagree. He is still one of the regular season greats, and I would still take him over 95% of the current QBs around if I wanted to lose a playoff game.

Fixed.

Godfather · « **Reply #46 on:** February 03, 2014, 04:14:25 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on February 03, 2014, 04:07:38 PM

Fixed.

Again still has more rings than Marino.

CCTAU · « **Reply #47 on:** February 03, 2014, 04:31:11 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on February 03, 2014, 04:14:25 PM

Again still has more rings than Marino.

And again, still made it to the big game. I would take him over 96% of the starting QBs in the NFL today!

Kaos · « **Reply #48 on:** February 03, 2014, 04:36:54 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on February 03, 2014, 04:14:25 PM

Again still has more rings than Marino.

Marino isn't in the best ever conversation either, according to today's talk -- for the same reason. Just couldn't get over the playoff hump.

I don't necessarily agree with any of it. Peyton's always underwhelmed me, but a "best ever" list is subjective. Your criteria might be different than mine.

Sort of like somebody thinking Stanley Kubrick is a genius when he's pretty clearly a demented hack who had brief moments of lucidity.

GH2001 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 03, 2014, 04:47:47 PM »

Quote from: Kaos on February 03, 2014, 04:36:54 PM

Marino isn't in the best ever conversation either, according to today's talk -- for the same reason. Just couldn't get over the playoff hump.

I don't necessarily agree with any of it. Peyton's always underwhelmed me, but a "best ever" list is subjective. Your criteria might be different than mine.

Sort of like somebody thinking Stanley Kubrick is a genius when he's pretty clearly a demented hack who had brief moments of lucidity.

Hey hey. ... Full Metal Jacket was awesome.

Godfather · « **Reply #50 on:** February 03, 2014, 05:00:53 PM »

Unitas, Theismann, Namath, Young, Favre

What do these QB's have in common?

They all have 1 Super Bowl Ring.

Kaos · « **Reply #51 on:** February 03, 2014, 09:04:38 PM »

Quote from: GH2001 on February 03, 2014, 04:47:47 PM

Hey hey. ... Full Metal Jacket was awesome.

He, like Peyton, had one good season.

Kaos · « **Reply #52 on:** February 03, 2014, 09:11:00 PM »

Quote from: Godfather on February 03, 2014, 05:00:53 PM

Unitas, Theismann, Namath, Young, Favre

What do these QB's have in common?

They all have 1 Super Bowl Ring.

Unitas is in the conversation because there was no Super Bowl for the first 18 years of his career. He played with rocks and dinosaurs.

Theisman is not in the conversation at all. Not even close.

Namath is not in the conversation unless it is about panty hose, fur coats, ramming your tongue down Suzy Kolber's throat or alcohol abuse.

Young is borderline at best. Don't think he's really one of the all time greats.

Favre is in there only for longevity.

If I'm making this Top Five list really, it's going to include:

Roger Staubach -- Hated him and hated the Cowboys, but couldn't deny him.
Joe Montana - Hated Notre Dame and hated him for a long time, too, but he also can't be ignored.
Unitas
Tom Brady
John Elway

That's it.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #53 on:** February 03, 2014, 09:29:35 PM »

Here's why I think Peyton is the GOAT:

He's the Godfather of the NFL. He embodies what the NFL has wanted to be since its conception. He is the prototype "NFL" quarterback that every coach and owner and fan has coveted since the invention of the forward pass.

When it comes to all things football, he brings a level of intensity, passion, and expertise that is unmatched. It's not just winning the ball games (which he's won a fuckton of). It's not just his stats (he leads in most categories).

It's the other parts. Who in the history of the NFL is better known for the following:

Film study
In game adjustments
Reading defenses
Audibles
Spreading the ball around
Team leadership
Off the field character
Dealing with the media
MVP Awards

Manning brings to the table a host of attributes that you rarely see with any NFL player, and that goes along with statistics and on the field play that is barely rivaled by any player in the history of the league.

I think it's very telling that if Peyton would have won yesterday, he would have been a damn-near unanimous GOAT quarterback and overall GOAT player. It would have been barely debated. Only Brady-dick suckers and Kaos's "eye test" would have disputed the claim.

I hope he comes back next year and wins one before riding into the HOF.

AUChizad · « **Reply #54 on:** February 03, 2014, 10:30:09 PM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on February 03, 2014, 09:29:35 PM

Here's why I think Peyton is the GOAT:

He's the Godfather of the NFL. He embodies what the NFL has wanted to be since its conception. He is the prototype "NFL" quarterback that every coach and owner and fan has coveted since the invention of the forward pass.

When it comes to all things football, he brings a level of intensity, passion, and expertise that is unmatched. It's not just winning the ball games (which he's won a fuckton of). It's not just his stats (he leads in most categories).

It's the other parts. Who in the history of the NFL is better known for the following:

Film study
In game adjustments
Reading defenses
Audibles
Spreading the ball around
Team leadership
Off the field character
Dealing with the media
MVP Awards

Manning brings to the table a host of attributes that you rarely see with any NFL player, and that goes along with statistics and on the field play that is barely rivaled by any player in the history of the league.

I think it's very telling that if Peyton would have won yesterday, he would have been a damn-near unanimous GOAT quarterback and overall GOAT player. It would have been barely debated. Only Brady-dick suckers and Kaos's "eye test" would have disputed the claim.

I hope he comes back next year and wins one before riding into the HOF.

43-8.

In the Super Bowl.

That's not negligible.

Eye test be damned, the GOAT doesn't lay a steaming pile of turd like that on the biggest stage of them all.

JR4AU · « **Reply #55 on:** February 04, 2014, 07:50:36 AM »

Quote from: Godfather on February 03, 2014, 04:00:21 PM

Still disagree. He is still one of the greats, and I would still take him over 95% of the current QBs around.

In ANY "best ever" argument I think rings count. I think Peyton got some of his "big game chokeer" rep undeserved due to total team around him. Name any of the guys mentioned in thus thread and not one of them cartied a roster of no names to a SBC. But the Broncos looked lost the ither night and Peyton looked as bewhildered as any average Joe scrub. Hard to put a guy in the best ever mix afer a SB performance like that.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #56 on:** February 04, 2014, 08:10:37 AM »

Quote from: AUChizad on February 03, 2014, 10:30:09 PM

43-8.

In the Super Bowl.

That's not negligible.

Eye test be damned, the GOAT doesn't lay a steaming pile of turd like that on the biggest stage of them all.

He set the Super Bowl record for completions in that game. Sure it sucked, but his whole team sucked.

GH2001 · « **Reply #57 on:** February 04, 2014, 10:35:19 AM »

Quote from: Kaos on February 03, 2014, 09:11:00 PM

Unitas is in the conversation because there was no Super Bowl for the first 18 years of his career. He played with rocks and dinosaurs.

Theisman is not in the conversation at all. Not even close.

Namath is not in the conversation unless it is about panty hose, fur coats, ramming your tongue down Suzy Kolber's throat or alcohol abuse.

Young is borderline at best. Don't think he's really one of the all time greats.

Favre is in there only for longevity.

If I'm making this Top Five list really, it's going to include:

Roger Staubach -- Hated him and hated the Cowboys, but couldn't deny him.
Joe Montana - Hated Notre Dame and hated him for a long time, too, but he also can't be ignored.
Unitas
Tom Brady
John Elway

That's it.

You hate Staubach? Damn. I can understand if you hate the cowboys but Roger is a pretty upstanding guy. Classier and more talented than Bradshaw, who is overrated per the stats. But he has rings because of the greatest defensive dynasty of all time. Brady is the twit of that list.

Godfather · « **Reply #58 on:** February 04, 2014, 11:05:00 AM »

My personal opinion is that Montana is GOAT up to this point. However, Montana also had an amazing team around him, on both sides of the ball.

But Peyton deserves to be in the discussion he is in my top 6.

Montana
Staubach
Brady
Manning
Elway
Marino

wesfau2 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 04, 2014, 11:09:04 AM »

Quote from: Godfather on February 04, 2014, 11:05:00 AM

My personal opinion is that Montana is GOAT up to this point. However, Montana also had an amazing team around him, on both sides of the ball.

But Peyton deserves to be in the discussion he is in my top 6.

Montana
Staubach
Brady
Manning
Elway
Marino

I could live with this list. To be fair to the competition, though, you'd really need to carve up the list by generation to account for the changes in the game.