Buh-Bye

[Saniflush]

Saban has set the table for the next person in line.

Paging Ray Perkins.  Please pick up the white courtesy phone.

[Tiger Wench]

Their fans are just as much as fucktards as 90% of our fanbase. 

Not.  Even.  Close.

They are smarmy arrogant homers like y'all, but the vast majority are t-sip graduates and most have shitloads of money.  They are true elitists with the money to back it up - the folks in your fan base are wanna be elitists who shoot each other over the outcome of the game.

[RWS]

Not.  Even.  Close.

They are smarmy arrogant homers like y'all, but the vast majority are t-sip graduates and most have shitloads of money.  They are true elitists with the money to back it up - the folks in your fan base are wanna be elitists who shoot each other over the outcome of the game.

Perhaps, but it's still the same mindset at the end of the day.  They want championships.  Every year.  No losing allowed.  Lose to Oklahoma by 1 point in a hard fought game?  Meltdown.  Burn it all down.  Two loss season?  Fire everybody.  Sure, he may get a pass for the first two seasons while he's changing everything the way he wants it.  But after that first taste of success, every season thereafter will have to be like that season.  Or else.  They're not going to pay upwards of $5 million a year for anything less. 

[Snaggletiger]

I just don't see why Saban would leave for another project at this point in his career.  He has Alabama the way he wants it, they will pay him pretty much anything, and the expectations at Texas are just as high, if not higher.  Their fans are just as much as fucktards as 90% of our fanbase. 

If he does leave, yeah, it would suck.  He's one of the best coaches in college football.  But, we all knew he would leave at some point, whether by retirement or other.  I wouldn't mind it if Kirby Smart were named HC.  I think that is the plan anyway.  If not, I'm pretty sure that Alabama can land a high profile coach.  Saban has set the table for the next person in line.

I have a feeling Lord Saybinz would recommend Smart if he did in fact, leave.  However, I wonder if the powers that be would want to take a chance on another assistant.  I imagine the Dumbose stench is still lingering at the Crapstoned. 

[RWS]

I have a feeling Lord Saybinz would recommend Smart if he did in fact, leave.  However, I wonder if the powers that be would want to take a chance on another assistant.  I imagine the Dumbose stench is still lingering at the Crapstoned.

It's the only reason why I would imagine that Smart has hung around as long as he has.  He's had numerous opportunities to leave, and he hasn't.  He understands the landscape, understands the systems, and would likely keep things status quo. 

[AUownsU]

I just don't see why Saban would leave for another project at this point in his career.  He has Alabama the way he wants it, they will pay him pretty much anything, and the expectations at Texas are just as high, if not higher.  Their fans are just as much as fucktards as 90% of our fanbase. 

If he does leave, yeah, it would suck.  He's one of the best coaches in college football.  But, we all knew he would leave at some point, whether by retirement or other.  I wouldn't mind it if Kirby Smart were named HC.  I think that is the plan anyway.  If not, I'm pretty sure that Alabama can land a high profile coach.  Saban has set the table for the next person in line.

JMHO opinion. I think the updyke king likes having his ego stroked. See his wife complaining about not being appreciated. Will he leave or go? I have no fucking idea. However a few things are certain. Mack Brown's ass is gone. Their main target is the updyke king. The updyke king has had plenty of chances to smash this rumor, like Gustav did, yet he has chose not too. JMHO but this stuff is gonna clear up pretty fast either way. Mack will be gone by the weekend and Saturday start a dead period in recruiting (if I'm not mistaken). If all that holds true he will have to return and answer some Qs or announce an extension.

Honestly I could give shit less what he does. This thread is for entertainment purposes only. If just one updyke has had the slightest tingle in that inner empty pit they call a soul, then any amount of time I've spent posting about it was well worth it (ahem Heath Evans ahem). As for the "next person in line." Life before the updyke king looked like this....

[War Eagle!!!]

I just don't see why Saban would leave for another project at this point in his career.  He has Alabama the way he wants it, they will pay him pretty much anything, and the expectations at Texas are just as high, if not higher.  Their fans are just as much as fucktards as 90% of our fanbase. 

If he does leave, yeah, it would suck.  He's one of the best coaches in college football.  But, we all knew he would leave at some point, whether by retirement or other.  I wouldn't mind it if Kirby Smart were named HC.  I think that is the plan anyway.  If not, I'm pretty sure that Alabama can land a high profile coach.  Saban has set the table for the next person in line.

I don't really give a fuck if Saban goes or not. I think Auburn has a coach and staff that can go toe to toe with Saban now, so it doesn't matter...

However, you are crazy as fuck if you think someone can just come in...even Smart...and do what Saban has done. Let me clue you in. The reason Saban came in and was successful is not because he is a great X's and O's football coach. The reason Saban is successful at Alabama is because he is able to control everyone around him, including the high money boosters that will do anything to win. He is able to control the media. He is able to put a system in place to get to every recruit in the state and now the nation. No one questions Saban. No one does anything that Saban doesn't want them to do. Including giving a loan to a player or talking to a middle man agent. Saban controls all of that shit and he is very good at it.

Not everyone can do that. If you think Smart is going to be able to come in and have the success because he is a good defensive coach...you have lost your fucking mind...

[Snaggletiger]

I don't really give a fuck if Saban goes or not. I think Auburn has a coach and staff that can go toe to toe with Saban now, so it doesn't matter...

However, you are crazy as fuck if you think someone can just come in...even Smart...and do what Saban has done. Let me clue you in. The reason Saban came in and was successful is not because he is a great X's and O's football coach. The reason Saban is successful at Alabama is because he is able to control everyone around him, including the high money boosters that will do anything to win. He is able to control the media. He is able to put a system in place to get to every recruit in the state and now the nation. No one questions Saban. No one does anything that Saban doesn't want them to do. Including giving a loan to a player or talking to a middle man agent. Saban controls all of that shit and he is very good at it.

Not everyone can do that. If you think Smart is going to be able to come in and have the success because he is a good defensive coach...you have lost your fucking mind...

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X's and O's  Not so much.  Controlling every aspect of a program and the media.  Bingo!!!

That's not a knock on the guy (Other than the fact that all indications are he treats people like shit)

Now to me, a perfect example of how he controls the media:

Reporter:  Lord Saybinz, you have Northview High School this week, who you'll beat by 70 points in the first quarter.  Will you rest your starters or put in some of your game plan for the New England Patriots next week?

Lord Saybinz: I'm sick of you not respecting our opponents, aiight?  You people come in here with these asinine questions that do nothing but kick dirt in the faces of the team we play this week, aiight?  Those 9th graders in that other locker room will work just as damn hard preparing for this game as we will, aiight?  So shut your fucking pie hole, aiight?  I'm leaving.

Room of Reporters:  chuckles

Sports Writers Around The State:  A BRILLIANT move by Lord Saybinz in motivating his own team.  Genius!!!  All part of the process.  Berate a room full of reporters to keep his team focused on playing the Pee Wee League Champs Saturday.  I'm in awe.  Aren't you, Jim?

[RWS]

I don't really give a fuck if Saban goes or not. I think Auburn has a coach and staff that can go toe to toe with Saban now, so it doesn't matter...

However, you are crazy as fuck if you think someone can just come in...even Smart...and do what Saban has done. Let me clue you in. The reason Saban came in and was successful is not because he is a great X's and O's football coach. The reason Saban is successful at Alabama is because he is able to control everyone around him, including the high money boosters that will do anything to win. He is able to control the media. He is able to put a system in place to get to every recruit in the state and now the nation. No one questions Saban. No one does anything that Saban doesn't want them to do. Including giving a loan to a player or talking to a middle man agent. Saban controls all of that shit and he is very good at it.

Not everyone can do that. If you think Smart is going to be able to come in and have the success because he is a good defensive coach...you have lost your fucking mind...

I don't necessarily think that he will automatically have the same success, but I believe every opportunity is there for him to have that success if he is a decent coach.  He won't walk into a situation like Gus did at AU where he has to unfuck alot of things.  He won't have to rebuild some aspects of the program.  He won't have to change alot of things.  The opportunity will be there, but he will have to capitalize on it.  And like I said, if it isn't him, the table is still set for somebody else.  But, as you point out, just because the table is set for somebody else doesn't mean that they won't come in and fuck it up. 

[Ogre]

I don't necessarily think that he will automatically have the same success, but I believe every opportunity is there for him to have that success if he is a decent coach.  He won't walk into a situation like Gus did at AU where he has to unfudge alot of things.  He won't have to rebuild some aspects of the program.  He won't have to change alot of things.  The opportunity will be there, but he will have to capitalize on it.  And like I said, if it isn't him, the table is still set for somebody else.  But, as you point out, just because the table is set for somebody else doesn't mean that they won't come in and fudge it up.

The table will be set but your crazy fanbase is going to expect to be in the national title hunt Year 1 no matter who the coach will be.  When Mr. New Coach goes 9-3 or 10-2 and loses to Miles and Malzahn the bricks will start flying through the windows again.  He'll bolt after 2 or 3 years and then it's time to que the self-destructive cycle of hiring within the Saban coaching tree trying to recreate the past success. 

Before you know it you'll end up with Derek Dooley.

[Saniflush]

Before you know it you'll end up with Derek Dooley.

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[bottomfeeder]

Herbstreet weighs in:

On rumors about Nick Saban coming to Texas:

“There’s no chance. No chance of that happening. Nick Saban will work TV sitting next to us on our set before he’ll be the head coach at Texas … He’ll be at Alabama for another five years, and then he’ll be working TV after that … I know Nick Saban better than anybody. It’s not going to happen.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/20131211-kirk-herbstreit-on-rumors-of-nick-saban-coming-to-texas-there-s-no-chance.ece

Unless of course Dinky goes both ways.

http://jukeleft.com/nick-saban-to-coach-both-texas-and-alabama-next-season/

Nick Saban to coach both Texas and Alabama next season

[dallaswareagle]

I don't necessarily think that he will automatically have the same success, but I believe every opportunity is there for him to have that success if he is a decent coach.  He won't walk into a situation like Gus did at AU where he has to unfuck alot of things.  He won't have to rebuild some aspects of the program.  He won't have to change alot of things.  The opportunity will be there, but he will have to capitalize on it.  And like I said, if it isn't him, the table is still set for somebody else.  But, as you point out, just because the table is set for somebody else doesn't mean that they won't come in and fuck it up.

Should Nicky leave:

Where your problem is going to be is next year you are going to have a good season, too much talent on your team, the PTB get to thinking its more them than coaching and they start meddling, (they have done it before), all of sudden you lose two to three games the following year (and one is to Auburn) more meddling and fan base redneckism causing an implosion.   

[Tiger Wench]

The Saturday Down South blog makes this good point that maybe someone has mentioned here, but if so, I don't remember reading it:

Here are ten questions I have regarding Saban’s status at Alabama and the possibility of taking the Texas job:

 1.How impactful is the departure of AJ McCarron? I believe it’s huge. McCarron is to Saban as Tebow was to Meyer. Saban loves McCarron. You saw two great moments this year after Texas A&M when Saban spoke about trusting McCarron, and you saw it against LSU when Saban literally jumped into McCarron’s arms in a moment where emotion took the better of Saban’s usual hard-ass demeanor. McCarron might not make plays like Manziel, but he’s the on-field general that makes Saban’s life and march to a championship much easier. There’s no McCarron in 2014.

I know I had not really thought of this, but it's a good point.  I am sure Sabinz is rolling five deep at QB but he will still be starting over.  Malzahn has Marshall back and a backup in JJ that has playing time and experience. 

Here are the rest of the questions, all valid items:

2.Has Saban topped out? Let’s face it. There’s only one direction to go. Down. He’s taken Alabama football to the top, and there’s nothing more he can achieve other than more of the same. Fans are fans, and they tend to have a “what have you done for me lately?” mentality. If Saban doesn’t win the National Championship in any of the upcoming 3 years or so, fans might start to groan. He knows this.

 3.Is it harder to stay on top than get to the top? It’s a legitimate question. Winning three titles in four years is simply incredible. You saw this year how it took a simple field goal return in the Iron Bowl to ruin the march to a 3rd straight and 4th in five years. When you get to the top, everyone guns for you. When you are the standard, coaches either try to replicate your system or they implement systems and schemes meant to directly counteract your system. Lastly, when you’re at the top, it becomes increasingly difficult to hang on to assistant coaches. Staying on top is very difficult.

 4.Is Saban a builder? This is the longest head coaching tenure for Nick Saban. We know he’s damn good at building up a program and taking it from mediocrity to excellence. Mission accomplished at Alabama. Does he get bored once he’s performed this aspect of the job?

 5.If Saban left, would Alabama promote Kirby Smart? Paul Finebaum thinks so. It’s a similar move to what we saw with Oregon when Chip Kelly left. It’s an attempt to maintain continuity and keep the momentum going rather than bring in a new CEO with a new system and a new method of doing things. I have my doubts about this philosophy and would have my doubts about promoting Kirby Smart rather than bringing in an outsider.

6.If Saban leaves, is Auburn on top of the mountain in terms of the rivalry? I think you’d have to say so considering Malzahn’s success this year and Auburn playing for a National Championship. As long as Saban is coaching at Alabama, I’ll say they’re the favorites moving forward, but if Saban takes off, all bets are off. That would be quite an insane flip of statuses between the two Alabama programs in just 12 months.

 7.Is Texas an appealing job for Saban? Of course it is. It’d be an appealing job for anyone. It’s the biggest brand in the country. It’s a fairly easy conference to dominate. The recruiting is fertile. The money is big. The town is great. There’s probably only one job Saban would leave Alabama for…and Texas is probably it.

 8.If Saban leaves, what happens to the statue? It’s one thing for Meyer to leave, take a year off, then take the Ohio State job, but to leave a program and go directly to another program, it’ll be interesting to see how fans react. They have a statue of Saban and let’s just say it’s an interesting dynamic to ponder.    PCT and Uncle Sani may have to push the turd fans out of the way in order to shit on the statue...

 9.If Saban stays put, does he leave in the next couple years? I don’t think so. If there’s a time to leave to another program, it’s this year, and it’s Texas. As I said, Auburn is rebounding, McCarron is gone, and we all assume that the Texas job will be open (still occupied by Mack Brown as of writing this). If Saban stays put, he’ll likely retire in Tuscaloosa.

 10.Should Alabama match any dollar amount that Texas throws at Saban? There are $10 million annually for 10 years rumors going around, and now we’re talking crazy numbers. If there’s any truth to this, I’m not sure Alabama matches it, and I’m not sure they should. Nobody has done more for a program than Nick Saban, but I don’t think any program should have that sort of financial commitment to a coach. Smarter people than I will decide this, but I tend to appreciate the St. Louis Cardinals approach to the Albert Pujols deal… he gave us great years, we’re really appreciative, but we can’t commit to a contract like this, we wish Albert the best in the future. (Jarhead??) It might be hard to see it now, but Alabama football is bigger than Nick Saban.    Dude better watch the stairs!!  (OTOH, EVERYTHING is bigger than Nick Saban...)
 
If you’re an Alabama fan, I’d say that there’s no need to panic. Until something changes, it’s probably smart to assume that Saban will remain at Alabama. He’s got a machine going, and he’ll compete every year.
 
We’ll stay tuned and keep an eye out for news on a possible raise and extension at Alabama, or if Saban pulls a shocker and departs his current job.

[dallaswareagle]

We’ll stay tuned and keep an eye out for news on a possible raise and extension at Alabama, or if Saban pulls a shocker and departs his current job.


Kinky

[Snaggletiger]

"I know Nick Saban better than anybody"

Really?  Derk Turdstreak knows him better than anybody?

[AUChizad]

@UTexasFootball 21m

SOURCES: Nick Saban has an 8 year, $85 million offer from Texas. The deal will be finalized after Mack Brown's resignation Friday afternoon.

[Godfather]

[djsimp]

You mind if I take this to the facepages?

[RWS]

I know Texas has money, but over $10.6 million a year?  Before any performance bonuses? 


Sorry, not buying it.